Al D'arco

[AlexfromSouth]

Hello, i've never read the book and I don't have it but can someone please write a sort of timeline of D'arco's from early in his life before he was made, before the army and later. Please.

As I understand it he was with the Genovese people first or something? Who did he start of with?

Thanks in advance.

[JCB1977]

What I do know about Little Al is the he was first cousins with Pittsburgh Family Capo Joe Sica. Joe asked Al to come to Pittsburgh which Al seriously considered but didn't want to take orders from his cousin. I always found that interesting.

[BillyBrizzi]

He started out with a guy named Vincenzo Altomari a.k.a. Jimmy Alto. He operated in Little Italy from a club on Mott Street, running gambling in the area. Died in 1964 of Cancer. He was listed as a made man in the Genovese family, but his parents were of Albanian ancestry allegedly, so he couldn't have been actually eligible.

[AlexfromSouth]

Great info guys, great. Tell me Billy, when did he start out with Jimmy alto? And what crew was that? Thank you very much

On the albanian thing, i dought that his parents were from albania or the balkans but rather albanian ansestry dating back to the 16th or 17th century. Living in italy or sicily for centuries. There are a lot of mobsters with the same story, johnny dio, the one in LA, etc. Dont know if you knew that.

[johnny_scootch]

He was listed as a made man in the Genovese family, but his parents were of Albanian ancestry allegedly, so he couldn't have been actually eligible.

They are called Aberesche and yes jimmy alto was made.

[AlexfromSouth]

Yeah Johnny, that's what I was thinking of.

[AlexfromSouth]

Does anybody know what crew was jimmy alto with? Mike miranda?

[Frank]

You know we are losing time with these old LCN members that are still alive. Especially the ones that have broke omerta. There is so many unanswered questions that could be solved by guys like DArco. He might be able to solve some of the uncertainties about leadership history of Families, who did the actual hits and who ordered them. The histories of Families,seems to know about Newark and the current Jersey Family history.Its amazing that almost every question has 5 or more different answers. Lol maybe if we got somebody like him to give a complete factual history of the LCN it would make it even more con

[Frank]

Sorry should be confusing

[Stroccos]

You know we are losing time with these old LCN members that are still alive. Especially the ones that have broke omerta. There is so many unanswered questions that could be solved by guys like DArco. He might be able to solve some of the uncertainties about leadership history of Families, who did the actual hits and who ordered them. The histories of Families,seems to know about Newark and the current Jersey Family history.Its amazing that almost every question has 5 or more different answers. Lol maybe if we got somebody like him to give a complete factual history of the LCN it would make it even more con

Get some money together I am sure he meet with you for the right price

[B.]

You know we are losing time with these old LCN members that are still alive. Especially the ones that have broke omerta. There is so many unanswered questions that could be solved by guys like DArco. He might be able to solve some of the uncertainties about leadership history of Families, who did the actual hits and who ordered them. The histories of Families,seems to know about Newark and the current Jersey Family history.Its amazing that almost every question has 5 or more different answers. Lol maybe if we got somebody like him to give a complete factual history of the LCN it would make it even more con

Yeah, I'd love to ask D'Arco more about this "la Chiesa" first family that he says existed in Jersey and led to the formation of what's now the Lucchese family. Anything more he could add to it would be something even if it's just a myth.

Accetturo is one who might have some more concrete info on the Newark family and general Jersey history. From his bit in Selwyn Raab's book we know Accetturo is familiar with the story about the Newark family being disbanded, so he may have more info on that. He was around many old timers and there are indications that the Lucchese Jersey crew split off or at least took members from the Newark family, possibly even former boss Badami. Accetturo and his relatives seem to live pretty openly and obviously he worked with Raab for that book, might be worth reaching out.

I'd also have other questions for D'Arco about the former captain of his crew Curiale. He mentions something in his book about Curiale going back to the days when there was just one family in Brooklyn. Just like the "la Chiesa" thing, that's probably a distorted take on whatever the set-up is, but it could have been a reference to the days when the D'Aquila(Gambino) and Mineo(Colombo) families were the same and others like Yale hadn't been brought under the Genovese flag, leaving most of Brooklyn under D'Aquila's family except for Williamsburg and those neighborhoods dominated by Schiro's people. With the way Brooklyn in particular shakes out in the 1920s/30s, with Mineo possibly swapping families as boss, members of the Yale crew splitting off into at least three different families, and signs that other Brooklyn guys swapped families, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that Curiale was with another family. The Gambino family did have a large Agrigento faction going back to Curiale's time, can't think of another NYC family who did back then.

EDIT: Want to add that Curiale crew member Schiavo (D'Arco's sponsor) was most likely from Castellammare and Paul Vario's family was from Trapani and he had strong ties with the Bonanno family. This could point to the crew having a history with the Bonanno family as well.

[AlexfromSouth]

Does anybody remmember from his book why did he switch fams? Why the westside didn't want him and whst year did he move to the lukes? Thanks

[Frank]

Yes but Vic might put a hit on him lol

[Antiliar]

On Italians of Albanian ancestry, there are quite a lot, such as those with the surname Ardizzone, Matranga (not all of them) and Schiro.

The Lucchese Family came out of the old Morello Family, so it is a very old borgata, going back to the late 1890s, but I never heard of it referred to as La Chiesa nor did it start in New Jersey. It started in downtown Manhattan and East Harlem. (The Masseria-Luciano-Genovese-Gigante Family also goes back to the Morellos, splitting off around 1920-22.) The Gambino Family is older, going back to the 1880s and possibly the 1860s or 70s, and is the oldest of the Mafia Families outside New Orleans.

[AlexfromSouth]

On Italians of Albanian ancestry, there are quite a lot, such as those with the surname Ardizzone, Matranga (not all of them) and Schiro.

The Lucchese Family came out of the old Morello Family, so it is a very old borgata, going back to the late 1890s, but I never heard of it referred to as La Chiesa nor did it start in New Jersey. It started in downtown Manhattan and East Harlem. (The Masseria-Luciano-Genovese-Gigante Family also goes back to the Morellos, splitting off around 1920-22.) The Gambino Family is older, going back to the 1880s and possibly the 1860s or 70s, and is the oldest of the Mafia Families outside New Orleans.

nice post, Interesting how the Gambino and Colombo always had South Brooklyn on lock.