Gangland news 11th may 2017

[Pogo The Clown]

They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

But Bonanno was made before (or around the same time) Valachi, so why would you think he's was lying?......Soliai

Because his claim that the other 4 NY family bosses, as well as bosses from 4 other families as far away as Milwaukee, were present at his ceremony is as unbelievably ludicrous as Natale's claim.

They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo

Yeah, Bill. Not Joe.

[Sol]

They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo

Oh, when he said Bonannos I automatically thought it was Joe. Yea if that's what Bill said I don't believe it one bit.......Soliai

[joeycigars]

They had a commission meeting at the making ceremony

[HairyKnuckles]

Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?

I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.

The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.

Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.

According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.

Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.

Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?

None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?

[Wiseguy]

None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?

In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."

[HairyKnuckles]

None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?

In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."

I don't think that book should be taken that seriously. At least not in the segments where he tries to be clever, combining humor with facts. His funny facts sinks his credibility in my opinion. And I'm sure others agree.

[Wiseguy]

None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?

In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."

I don't think that book should be taken that seriously. At least not in the segments where he tries to be clever, combining humor with facts. His funny facts sinks his credibility in my opinion. And I'm sure others agree.

Whether you like him adding humor or not, what he said on the subject stands. I don't see much reason to question it when nobody can think of any credible examples to the contrary. In fact, I don't know where you got the idea that outsiders could attend initiation ceremonies, HK.