No articles the local paper kept up on the case at all. Outside of the indictment no documents have been released . I have a friend in cpd who told it's a cluster fuck. He gave me the names of the New York guys carmen was in contact with . Def a Interesting caseJCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pmAny articles or documents about this? This case is fascinatingStroccos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .
Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello
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"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello
Hello all. First time poster here. I don't know if I know anything you guys don't, but I have some thoughts.
That "big display with all the mugshots" included the individuals from the stolen car ring who brought investigators right to Carmine's supposed 'chop-shop.' Most of them were actually indicted in 2013 as a stolen car ring, and that arrest spurred the investigation into Carmine. No doubt about it that at least one of those guys introduced the UC to Eagle Auto after their arrest. The 2013 charges were dropped against those 7 or 8 individuals, but with the condition that they could be re-charged. I propose three possibilities for this: first, it could be a flimsy case. Second, it could be due to the investigation still being in progress and they might want to hit them with more charges. Third, the prosecution could be wanting some or all of these individuals to testify against Carmine. After all, the Agnellos and Alfred Mclairn are the real targets here. Mostly Carmine, though.
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Then a few others from that wall of mugshots, such as the Pappada couple, were arrested but never indicted. That leaves the possibility they too could still be charged.
My belief is there will be more relevant indictments, whether related to this investigation or a joining one, starting with Gambino associate Danny Fama, one of the 'New York guys' Agnello allegedly put the UC in contact with. It also turns out Sgt. Andy Ezzo, from Cleveland's environmental crimes task force and instrumental in the case against Carmine, is under investigation for possible "criminal and administrative" violations. Isn't clear whether the supposed violations are related to Carmine's case or something his lawyer may want to use to attack Ezzo's credibility at trial, but the info is out there, provided to the defense by the prosecution.
Since Carmine isn't even allowed to be in the scrap metal industry, there's a pretty easy conviction on the licensing felonies. His lawyer must be fighting tooth and nail to get any and every bit of evidence suppressed that he can, much of which was obtained through wiretap.
Mclairn, the employee at Ferrous Processing & Trading, allegedly scrapped $15,500 in vehicles provided by the UC. Likely they'll want him to take a plea first, which would include testifying against Carmine. And he has big incentive to do it: he's also facing charges for a stabbing.
It will be interesting particularly to learn the details on Cleveland's investigation into Ezzo.
Ah well, fugetaboutit.
That "big display with all the mugshots" included the individuals from the stolen car ring who brought investigators right to Carmine's supposed 'chop-shop.' Most of them were actually indicted in 2013 as a stolen car ring, and that arrest spurred the investigation into Carmine. No doubt about it that at least one of those guys introduced the UC to Eagle Auto after their arrest. The 2013 charges were dropped against those 7 or 8 individuals, but with the condition that they could be re-charged. I propose three possibilities for this: first, it could be a flimsy case. Second, it could be due to the investigation still being in progress and they might want to hit them with more charges. Third, the prosecution could be wanting some or all of these individuals to testify against Carmine. After all, the Agnellos and Alfred Mclairn are the real targets here. Mostly Carmine, though.
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Then a few others from that wall of mugshots, such as the Pappada couple, were arrested but never indicted. That leaves the possibility they too could still be charged.
My belief is there will be more relevant indictments, whether related to this investigation or a joining one, starting with Gambino associate Danny Fama, one of the 'New York guys' Agnello allegedly put the UC in contact with. It also turns out Sgt. Andy Ezzo, from Cleveland's environmental crimes task force and instrumental in the case against Carmine, is under investigation for possible "criminal and administrative" violations. Isn't clear whether the supposed violations are related to Carmine's case or something his lawyer may want to use to attack Ezzo's credibility at trial, but the info is out there, provided to the defense by the prosecution.
Since Carmine isn't even allowed to be in the scrap metal industry, there's a pretty easy conviction on the licensing felonies. His lawyer must be fighting tooth and nail to get any and every bit of evidence suppressed that he can, much of which was obtained through wiretap.
Mclairn, the employee at Ferrous Processing & Trading, allegedly scrapped $15,500 in vehicles provided by the UC. Likely they'll want him to take a plea first, which would include testifying against Carmine. And he has big incentive to do it: he's also facing charges for a stabbing.
It will be interesting particularly to learn the details on Cleveland's investigation into Ezzo.
Ah well, fugetaboutit.
Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello
all valid points ,Jonkaro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:09 pm Hello all. First time poster here. I don't know if I know anything you guys don't, but I have some thoughts.
That "big display with all the mugshots" included the individuals from the stolen car ring who brought investigators right to Carmine's supposed 'chop-shop.' Most of them were actually indicted in 2013 as a stolen car ring, and that arrest spurred the investigation into Carmine. No doubt about it that at least one of those guys introduced the UC to Eagle Auto after their arrest. The 2013 charges were dropped against those 7 or 8 individuals, but with the condition that they could be re-charged. I propose three possibilities for this: first, it could be a flimsy case. Second, it could be due to the investigation still being in progress and they might want to hit them with more charges. Third, the prosecution could be wanting some or all of these individuals to testify against Carmine. After all, the Agnellos and Alfred Mclairn are the real targets here. Mostly Carmine, though.
.
Then a few others from that wall of mugshots, such as the Pappada couple, were arrested but never indicted. That leaves the possibility they too could still be charged.
My belief is there will be more relevant indictments, whether related to this investigation or a joining one, starting with Gambino associate Danny Fama, one of the 'New York guys' Agnello allegedly put the UC in contact with. It also turns out Sgt. Andy Ezzo, from Cleveland's environmental crimes task force and instrumental in the case against Carmine, is under investigation for possible "criminal and administrative" violations. Isn't clear whether the supposed violations are related to Carmine's case or something his lawyer may want to use to attack Ezzo's credibility at trial, but the info is out there, provided to the defense by the prosecution.
Since Carmine isn't even allowed to be in the scrap metal industry, there's a pretty easy conviction on the licensing felonies. His lawyer must be fighting tooth and nail to get any and every bit of evidence suppressed that he can, much of which was obtained through wiretap.
Mclairn, the employee at Ferrous Processing & Trading, allegedly scrapped $15,500 in vehicles provided by the UC. Likely they'll want him to take a plea first, which would include testifying against Carmine. And he has big incentive to do it: he's also facing charges for a stabbing.
It will be interesting particularly to learn the details on Cleveland's investigation into Ezzo.
Ah well, fugetaboutit.
I dont think MCLAIRIN will flip here i just feel he would of done it already , He was arrested last summer for assualt, He took a steak knife away from a women and she got a minor cut in the scuffle. But due to the knife being in play he was charged with A felony. I think he would of already flipped. I head carmen is fronting his legal bills but i am not 100%, maybe he cuts a plea and nails carmen but why hasnt he done it yet? I agree with you the Agnello is the main target it will look really bad on the police and prosocuters if Agnello somehow beats this case.
You might be right if the feds step in and indict. but Fama is the guy the feds bungled that murder case agaisnt I doubt they would go after him with out super rock solid evidence. From I understand is he met with the UC but maybe he didnt take the bait or just was a social event. Will be interesting to find out though
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Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello
Article and documents....JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pmAny articles or documents about this? This case is fascinatingStroccos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .
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