OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
Who the fuck would even go? There is no one alive that likes the guy. He son only son that liked him is locked up for 30yrs who wont be out til he is 80 if he survives prison that long. Nicky Sr lost all of his friends by like 92
I think a couple of the old timers he did business with in the Genovese and Gambino families might attend and some of the old school guys in Philly and the other families for the simple fact Scarfo kept quiet. Also a few mob groupies might wander in. It doesn't sound like he has much family left, are either of his two wives still alive?
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
Who the fuck would even go? There is no one alive that likes the guy. He son only son that liked him is locked up for 30yrs who wont be out til he is 80 if he survives prison that long. Nicky Sr lost all of his friends by like 92
I think a couple of the old timers he did business with in the Genovese and Gambino families might attend and some of the old school guys in Philly and the other families for the simple fact Scarfo kept quiet. Also a few mob groupies might wander in. It doesn't sound like he has much family left, are either of his two wives still alive?
The old timers he knew are dead. Even else is in prison for the most part. He was not well liked by early 1990s
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
You believe him? It's not far fetched that the funeral would be private, it's not like the current Philly mob would throw him an extravagant mob funeral lol
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I don't know, from my personal experiences with him, he's always come across as legit, and the info he's provided at least with me, was always more or less on point. That's just my personal opinion of the guy.
Going back to the earlier discussion though about Scarfo Jr. I'm reading over these operation heat files (thanks fuhgedaboutit), and it seems that a big reason for Jr's demotion from captain to soldier, indeed is the Philly stuff, and him making noise about "taking over Philadelphia". That's whats put forth during a conversation between Joe & John Perna.
can you post the documents for operation heat? or send them to me? i got a long plane ride need some reading material. thanks
I have seen some documents where the feds used the phili takeover for scaro sr and jr to obtain wiretaps on various things. its possible thats how they got onto the finacial scam
Check the thread on operation heat in the fbi files forum. I uploaded it and posted download instructions.
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OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
You believe him? It's not far fetched that the funeral would be private, it's not like the current Philly mob would throw him an extravagant mob funeral lol
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I don't know, from my personal experiences with him, he's always come across as legit, and the info he's provided at least with me, was always more or less on point. That's just my personal opinion of the guy.
Going back to the earlier discussion though about Scarfo Jr. I'm reading over these operation heat files (thanks fuhgedaboutit), and it seems that a big reason for Jr's demotion from captain to soldier, indeed is the Philly stuff, and him making noise about "taking over Philadelphia". That's whats put forth during a conversation between Joe & John Perna.
can you post the documents for operation heat? or send them to me? i got a long plane ride need some reading material. thanks
I have seen some documents where the feds used the phili takeover for scaro sr and jr to obtain wiretaps on various things. its possible thats how they got onto the finacial scam
Sure, gonna try to forward them to you now. Oh, you gotta pm me your email first.
I don't know if you read the files in the file part of this forum, Stroccos, but the files I have is just that, the ones that relate to the NJ/Lucchese Heat bust that were already posted for a while on this forum in that section. The linked files in the thread were outdated and are dead links, so we've just been passing them around that way, to guys who ask who havent seen them. So I'm just letting you know, their nothing new or groundbreaking, if you were privy enough to be a member of this forum when they were first posted, you may have seen them already. Just saying.
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
You believe him? It's not far fetched that the funeral would be private, it's not like the current Philly mob would throw him an extravagant mob funeral lol
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I don't know, from my personal experiences with him, he's always come across as legit, and the info he's provided at least with me, was always more or less on point. That's just my personal opinion of the guy.
Going back to the earlier discussion though about Scarfo Jr. I'm reading over these operation heat files (thanks fuhgedaboutit), and it seems that a big reason for Jr's demotion from captain to soldier, indeed is the Philly stuff, and him making noise about "taking over Philadelphia". That's whats put forth during a conversation between Joe & John Perna.
can you post the documents for operation heat? or send them to me? i got a long plane ride need some reading material. thanks
I have seen some documents where the feds used the phili takeover for scaro sr and jr to obtain wiretaps on various things. its possible thats how they got onto the finacial scam
Sure, gonna try to forward them to you now. Oh, you gotta pm me your email first.
I don't know if you read the files in the file part of this forum, Stroccos, but the files I have is just that, the ones that relate to the NJ/Lucchese Heat bust that were already posted for a while on this forum in that section. The linked files in the thread were outdated and are dead links, so we've just been passing them around that way, to guys who ask who havent seen them. So I'm just letting you know, their nothing new or groundbreaking, if you were privy enough to be a member of this forum when they were first posted, you may have seen them already. Just saying.
Thanks FF I downloaded them, YEs oldblueeyes I am not familiar with the luccesse all that much, but I am going on a nice plane ride , need some reading material.
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:According to Serp on gbb, they aren't making the funeral service whereabouts public. Supposedly he's attending.
You believe him? It's not far fetched that the funeral would be private, it's not like the current Philly mob would throw him an extravagant mob funeral lol
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I don't know, from my personal experiences with him, he's always come across as legit, and the info he's provided at least with me, was always more or less on point. That's just my personal opinion of the guy.
Going back to the earlier discussion though about Scarfo Jr. I'm reading over these operation heat files (thanks fuhgedaboutit), and it seems that a big reason for Jr's demotion from captain to soldier, indeed is the Philly stuff, and him making noise about "taking over Philadelphia". That's whats put forth during a conversation between Joe & John Perna.
Trust me ...it was more guys like the Perna's, Merola and several others up north spreading that bullshit around and to the panel in NY then Scarfo JR actually making major plays at taking over Philly. They wanted Scarfo out of the picture . It was going to happen regardless of what Scarfo Jr was doing or not doing. Mike Perna was set for release in a few yrs. He and Matty Maddonna became very close in Lewisburg and stayed in touch thru Ralpn when Matty got out . Mike P was going to be running the show in the end and Scarfo was going to be out. That was part of why Scarfo Jr moved south as soon as he got of prison the last time. Remember he was still Capo when he got the hell out of North Jersey. I don't believe Scarfo Jr ever had a chance to take of Philly and that he was just pressing Merlino's buttons. Heere is another Fact. Prior to getting knocked down the Perna's were not kicking up to him. Only Marty was sending money to Scarfo. Perna's were dealing directly with Madonna and DiNapoli before Scarfo got knocked down. It had been in the works long before Scarfo even walked out of Jail for his last sentence. Don't believe that for a second that Nicky JR was going to just take over Philly. Newspapers like that shit though. Just look at the crew Scarfo was arrested with. Certainly doesn't look like a Lucchese Crime family crew. He was a loan wolf.
What Rocco says makes a lot of sense. I can see how Nicky Jr. making an attempt to pick up Joe Grande upon his release from prison, could be blown way out of proportion by a speculative journalist. Picking up Joe Grande was probably more for Jrs. safety than anything else, as it didn't seem he really had anybody siding with him within the Luchesse's.
Everything else aside, the "taking over Philadelphia" thing I mentioned in the quoted post, didn't come from a "speculative journalist", it came from Joe & John Perna. It was stated in a telephone convo between the two, that was recorded by the feds. I think Rocco makes sense, in that it could've been a case of the Perna's, Merola (Kapnick), etc. spreading rumors in an effort to get Jr knocked down. But I definitely don't see him being taken down based on a news article written by an outsider. It had to come from within Organized Crime circles, that would give it enough credence to be discussed by soldiers of the Lucchese's and eventually lead to Jr having his "capo" rank taken away.
K, gonna go back to reading this stuff now.
EDIT: After the induction of Joe R. & John G. Perna, Joe M. Perna drove Matthew Madonna, Joseph DiNapoli & John Mangrella back to the Ocean Spa & Resort in Long Branch, New Jersey. Part of the car convo was intercepted, during the convo, Matty Madonna is heard discussing the placement Johnny Hooks Capra as the head of the NJ Lucchese's, he says that "we put him out there","we put him out here with the intention of making peace between the Hatfields & the McCoy's"(Referencing the Taccetta's & Perna's). "And in that department he did a good job for us, for what he did." Madonna then goes on to say, "just the same, the kid Nicky, after him, did a good job"...This says to me that it wasn't JUST Amuso who supported Nicky Jr, and his time as capo according to Madonna, NY supported him for a portion of time and felt he was doing good in his position as the head of NJ Lucchese's. This lends support I think to what Rocco was saying, that rumors and innuendo, in part, could've led to Scarfo Jr's downfall within the Lucchese's..Interesting stuff. Madonna does say though, right after the sentence about Nicky Jr & Capra, that "we"(NY) felt that Ralph Perna was doing the best job.
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Scarfo Jr. also supposedly reached out to Joe Ciancaglini Jr. and Louis Fazzini through Fazzini's brother. Scarfo Jr. got to know the Lucchese NJ crew after he was shot and hid out in North Jersey. That crew was, at least at the time, very close to the Philly Down Neck crew, which was probably a factor in him joining that family in addition to Amuso/Scarfo's relationship. At the time of those Perna tapes I remember thinking the rumors of Scarfo Jr. trying to take over the Philly family seemed over-the-top but as more info has come out I believe his father was probably pushing him to make a move of some kind.
Anyway, I don't think I've commented on Scarfo Sr.'s passing. It was his years running the Philly family that really got me to start digging deep into the Philly family and the mob as a whole. The world feels different knowing Nicky Scarfo isn't in a cell somewhere clenching his fists muttering about everyone who has pissed him off over the years.
That's a very good point B. Reading Blood Oath, Fresolone speaks on the closeness that crew had with specific guys and crews apart of various NY families, the Lukes being one of them I believe. And Scarfo Jr, was under the protection of the Down Neck crew after the attempt on his life, so he would've and was rubbing shoulders with Lucchese members at that time. So that very well may have been a factor in Scarfo Jr being made into the Lucchese's and not just Scarfo telling Amuso to induct his son simply for protection as some believe. Good post, wish this forum had a "like" or reputation button for posts like yours.
Scoops Licata in particular was close to the Luccheses. He was indicted in that big 1980s case asgainst the NJ Luccheses and LE believed he was a Lucchese associate for many years. I'd be curious if he maintained any kind of relationship with Scarfo Jr.
B. wrote:
Anyway, I don't think I've commented on Scarfo Sr.'s passing. It was his years running the Philly family that really got me to start digging deep into the Philly family and the mob as a whole. The world feels different knowing Nicky Scarfo isn't in a cell somewhere clenching his fists muttering about everyone who has pissed him off over the years.
You wanna hear something sick? I'm actually sad about it. I don't know why. The guy was a maniac. But man, he did it his way, didn't he?
B. wrote:
Anyway, I don't think I've commented on Scarfo Sr.'s passing. It was his years running the Philly family that really got me to start digging deep into the Philly family and the mob as a whole. The world feels different knowing Nicky Scarfo isn't in a cell somewhere clenching his fists muttering about everyone who has pissed him off over the years.
You wanna hear something sick? I'm actually sad about it. I don't know why. The guy was a maniac. But man, he did it his way, didn't he?
Rest in peace, Nicky.
Yeah, in a weird way I am as well haha.
I don't normally get that much entertainment out of the typical "quotable" tough guy mobsters, like Gotti and Capone. With Scarfo on the other hand, I always found myself laughing out loud at everything he said.
I'd have to double check, but I think he was also the last surviving member made by Joe Ida.
Yeah whenever I think about Scarfo's passing an actual honest-to-god sadness creeps in. Like if my dad had died or something. Fortunately I'm going to see my shrink on February 1, so maybe the doc and I can keep this from turning into something really weird.
