Yeah you can do that, but have in mind Snakes that it can be changed back by anyone. is it worth it?Snakes wrote:As we get stuff confirmed I can update the Wikipedia entries. I know it sounds like a waste of time but a lot of misinformation originates there so maybe having the correct info listed there may change some longstanding mistakes people have had.
Genovese Hierarchy 1897 to Present Day
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I think we can scratch that lombardo was consigliere. An informant said in Jan 1975 that Lombardo was underboss. This was in connection with Anthony Giordano from St Louis coming to NY for some business. Two months later, another informant said that Lombardo was consigliere. Both these acccounts were not confirmed by the FBI who followed the different changes and compiled anual reports on the Families. In these reports, at least the ones I have access to (dated from 1969 to 1977) Lombardo is not carried as having a rank higher than captain. Ardito is listed as consiglere in those anual reports around this time (1975, 1976 and 1977). So scratch the stuff I wrote above on Lombardo being consigliere. I wrote it before I saw the info on Ardito.
There you have it, never printed before.
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I just completed that era and will send it to you now and wait for your response. If I have to redo/edit anything it'll cause me to have to revamp the eras succeeding it.HairyKnuckles wrote:I think we can scratch that lombardo was consigliere. An informant said in Jan 1975 that Lombardo was underboss. This was in connection with Anthony Giordano from St Louis coming to NY for some business. Two months later, another informant said that Lombardo was consigliere. Both these acccounts were not confirmed by the FBI who followed the different changes and compiled anual reports on the Families. In these reports, at least the ones I have access to (dated from 1969 to 1977) Lombardo is not carried as having a rank higher than captain. Ardito is listed as consiglere in those anual reports around this time (1975, 1976 and 1977). So scratch the stuff I wrote above on Lombardo being consigliere. I wrote it before I saw the info on Ardito.
(Update, that section of the chart is not completely finished, I will be including "Source: ____" next to each and every person.
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Yeah, but it drives me nuts seeing some of the stuff that's on there. I hate nicknames too, so I usually remove those lol. Carlo "The Godfather" Gambino? Give me a break...
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Just saw this in the Outfit section:
Lol, whatPossible acting-present Jacob Marcello son of once street boss James Marcello -Alleged next boss after Difronzo officially retires.
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Mobfan and Giacomo Vacari have been busy.Snakes wrote:Just saw this in the Outfit section:
Lol, whatPossible acting-present Jacob Marcello son of once street boss James Marcello -Alleged next boss after Difronzo officially retires.
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I've got a mugshot of Rosario 'Sally Young' Palmieri if there isn't one available online somewhere. Same with Venero Mangano and a few others if you don't want to use the more common photos already out there.
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I'll take it and give you credit. Also I'll send you a PM on this chart so far.
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A decade ago I remember seeing this Lombardo/Tieri ruling panel mentioned, wasn't Joe Stracci said to have been on it?
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HairyKnuckles wrote:No. Overall, I´d say he´s a good source. But some stuff he said is weird. For example the front boss thing, Ferro, his induction in 1974 and some other things.Cheech wrote:Are we throwing Cafaro out?
I agree. I alwaysngo back to what Baronen said
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Do we have sources available for the Gambino chart? I know we were talking about using some for the Genovese chart. If I'm gonna tackle the Wikipedia behemoth than I'd like to use some sources to back up the changes. Most of the sources they currently have is stuff like the Sifakis mafia encyclopedia, etc.
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(For my own reference so I don't have to keep going back and forth from different thread pages.)
Pogo The Clown wrote:Here is what I have for 1980s to the present.
Boss:
Vincent "The Chin" Gigante (1981-December 2005) Died.
-Stepped back after his indictment in the Windows Case in May 1990. Looks like Michele "Micky Dimino" Generoso may have taken a bigger role in things for a bit during this time period.
-Gigante was imprisoned in July 1997.
-Gigante was the last known official Boss until about 2014.
Liborio "Barney" Bellomo (2014-Present)
-Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara was Identified as Barney Bellomo's Street Boss.
Acting Bosses:
Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno (1981-February 1985) Imprisoned.
Liborio "Barney" Bellomo (1992-June 1996) Imprisoned.
Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo (1996-1998) Suffered a heart attack in 1998. Stepped down.
Frank "Farby" Serpico (1998-2000/1) Indicted in April 2001 as the former Acting Boss so he must have stepped down or been demoted some time before that.
Ernest Muscarella (2001-January 2002) Imprisoned.
Arthur “Artie” Nigro (2002-2003?) Stepped Down/Demoted.
Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo (2003?-April 2005) Imprisoned.
Matthew "Matty the Horse" Ianniello (2005-July 2005) Imprisoned.
Daniel “Danny/The Lion” Leo (2005-May 2007) Imprisoned.
-In 2007 a Ruling Panel was put in place (likely morphing from the committee below). The only identified member on it was Capo Tino “The Greek” Fiumara who died in September 2010. The panel likely continued until Barney Bellomo became Official Boss in 2014.
UnderBosses:
Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno (1977?-1986) Imprisoned.
-Saverio "Sammy Black" Santora (1981-1986) Became Official UnderBoss.
Saverio "Sammy Black" Santora (1986-May 1987) Died.
Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano (1987-????) Imprisoned in May 1990. Not really clear when he lost his position. He still had it well into the 2000s.
Michele "Micky Dimino" Generoso (1990?-June 1996) Imprisoned.
Consiglieri:
Louis "Bobby" Manna (1981-1990) Imprisoned in June 1988.
-James "The Little Guy" Ida (1988/9-1990) Became Official Consiglieri.
James "The Little Guy" Ida (1990-?) Imprisoned in June 1996. Given life. Unknown when he lost his position.
-It was thought that Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara may be the new Consiglieri for Bellomo but that was never confirmed.
Committee: This committee was put in place after the June 1996 indctment of the administration. It assisted the Acting Boss and took the place of the UnderBoss and Consiglieri. Not exactly sure when each of the following members were put in place but the following members were all identified as being on it.
Capo Alan "Baldie" Longo (Imprisoned in April 2001)
Capo Lawrence "Larry Fab/Little Larry" Dentico (Indicted in April and August 2005)
Capo John "Johnny Sausages" Barbato (Indicted in July 2004 and April 2005)
Capo Mario Gigante
-Guy's like Cirillo, Leo and Muscarella were also on it I believe when they were not serving as the Acting Boss.
Pogo
Wiseguy wrote:Late 1980's/early 1990's - Barney Bellomo made acting boss after Vincent Gigante is indicted in the Widows case, though one report claimed it had happened prior to that.
June 1996 - Barney Bellomo indicted. Dominick Cirillo becomes acting boss.
May 1998 - Dominick Cirillo steps down after a heart attack. Frank Serpico follows as acting boss but steps down some time between then and April 2001 when he's indicted as the "former" acting boss. Whenever that was, apparently Ernie Muscarella followed as acting boss.
January 2002 - Ernie Muscarella indicted as acting boss. An later FBI report in November 2008 said Muscarella had been on a ruling panel with Dominick Cirillo (not clear how long he was out of commission from his 1998 heart attack) and Danny Leo. The report also confirmed that Nigro, who was reported to be acting boss in November 2003, succeeded Muscarella on the panel when Muscarella went to prison.
December 2002 - March 2005 - This was the time frame of Garcia's (Jack Falcone) undercover work. At some point during this, Garcia said Pasquale DeLuca was acting boss (possibly on ruling panel?). The November 2008 FBI report mentioned above DeLuca had been a captain of a different crew than the Bellomo/Muscarella/Nigro crew. Possibly Leo's???
April 2005 - Dominick Cirillo indicted as acting boss.
July 2005 - Matthew Ianniello indicted as "an" acting boss, as opposed to "the" acting boss. This is wording is probably intentional by the feds, which suggests he was on the ruling panel.
December 2006 - Danny Leo identified as acting boss (from his previous position on the ruling panel) and indicted as such in May 2007.
June 2009 - NY Daily News article identifies Benny Mangano, Ernie Muscarella, Barney Bellomo, and Larry Dentico on a "rotating panel" of recently released senior members running the family.
September 2009 - NY Times article identifies Tino Fiumara as being on a "three man panel" running the family.
February 2010 - Artie Nigro indicted as the "former" acting boss.
February 2014 - Wall Street Journal article reports the family is believed to be still run by a ruling panel.
February 2016 - Capeci reports that Barney Bellomo is boss and is using captain Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara as acting/street boss to relay orders.
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Oh yeah Jacob. Jimmy's illegitimate son. Heard he's a real moverSnakes wrote:Just saw this in the Outfit section:
Lol, whatPossible acting-present Jacob Marcello son of once street boss James Marcello -Alleged next boss after Difronzo officially retires.
I agree with phat,I love those old fucks and he's right.we all got some cosa nostra in us.I personnely love the life.I think we on the forum would be the ultimate crew! - camerono
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Here it is. Without a doubt the most difficult chart I ever endeavored.
Again, thanks to Antiliar, Hairyknuckles, Pogo, Wiseguy and JD.
https://s23.postimg.org/q0m21wn61/GENlin.gif
Again, thanks to Antiliar, Hairyknuckles, Pogo, Wiseguy and JD.
https://s23.postimg.org/q0m21wn61/GENlin.gif
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Great job everyone. Wish there was a like button
Sorry. Wrong Frank
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Is there any connection between Salvatore Mauro and later E.Harlem crew member Vinnie Mauro?