What crew would Casso end up with if he stayed with the Genovese fam?

[AlexfromSouth]

Hk tell me what do you think what crew would Casso end upif he stayed with the Genovese fam? Don't know what happend to Celembrino's crew but would he be in the same crew as Alphonse allyshades?
That looks to be the obvious way

[HairyKnuckles]

Hk tell me what do you think what crew would Casso end upif he stayed with the Genovese fam? Don't know what happend to Celembrino's crew but would he be in the same crew as Alphonse allyshades?
That looks to be the obvious way

Well,,,very hard to say. If we believe what Casso/Carlo said in the book (and didn´t he say that Celambrino was Casso´s godfather?) the obvious choise would have been the Celambrino crew. However, Celambrino died some years before Casso was made and I´m not sure what happened to his crew. It may have been disbanded or it went to Louie laRocca. I think JD is more versed with this so if he sees this he may chip in.

Malangone´s crew was a different one. He succeeded Tommy Contaldo in 1989 and before that, this crew was led by Toddo Marino. This is probably the crew Al Gallo and Punchy Illiano was made into.

[AlexfromSouth]

Hk tell me what do you think what crew would Casso end upif he stayed with the Genovese fam? Don't know what happend to Celembrino's crew but would he be in the same crew as Alphonse allyshades?
That looks to be the obvious way

Well,,,very hard to say. If we believe what Casso/Carlo said in the book (and didn´t he say that Celambrino was Casso´s godfather?) the obvious choise would have been the Celambrino crew. However, Celambrino died some years before Casso was made and I´m not sure what happened to his crew. It may have been disbanded or it went to Louie laRocca. I think JD is more versed with this so if he sees this he may chip in.

Malangone´s crew was a different one. He succeeded Tommy Contaldo in 1989 and before that, this crew was led by Toddo Marino. This is probably the crew Al Gallo and Punchy Illiano was made into.

Allways thought that celembrinos crew merged with that of toddo marino, being they were all close to the docks.. didnt know there were so much brooklyn genevese crews..

thanks HK

[B.]

Hk tell me what do you think what crew would Casso end upif he stayed with the Genovese fam? Don't know what happend to Celembrino's crew but would he be in the same crew as Alphonse allyshades?
That looks to be the obvious way

Maybe there is neutral info backing up his claim to be a Gen associate, but I got the Carlo book as a gift a few years back and I wouldn't trust much information in there. He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges. I think he also said he was made in 1974 if I remember right (?), which isn't accurate either.

No denying that Casso was a big up-and-comer in the mob in the 1970s, but he is also a pathological liar whose info is unreliable.

[AlexfromSouth]

Hk tell me what do you think what crew would Casso end upif he stayed with the Genovese fam? Don't know what happend to Celembrino's crew but would he be in the same crew as Alphonse allyshades?
That looks to be the obvious way

Maybe there is neutral info backing up his claim to be a Gen associate, but I got the Carlo book as a gift a few years back and I wouldn't trust much information in there. He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges. I think he also said he was made in 1974 if I remember right (?), which isn't accurate either.

No denying that Casso was a big up-and-comer in the mob in the 1970s, but he is also a pathological liar whose info is unreliable.

No he was. Casso was a force at one time.. Everyone ive spoke from that neighbourhood about it says he was..he wasnt made in 74 it was in 76 in the spring..so he was the one out of those 10 guys every familly made, that speaks alot being he was from brooklyn.. And those two gettin the top spots after corallo also speaks volumes..
They were full of cash drugs gasoline etc and killers.. thats the way i look at it

[AlexfromSouth]

Plus its said he was very thight with chin, from the early days..if its to be belived..maybe that was one of the reasons they got boss underboos

You guys should read the book Two brotherhoods or something like that..its about the mafia cops and others Its said to be the only true book about casso, and it pretty much states what ive just said

[SonnyBlackstein]

If he was so tight with chin why didnt he go Westside?

Chin and his brother were a force even in the early 70's.

And the Westside was, well, the fucking Westside.
And Casso went with the Luke's, not the Gambinos/Genovese powerhouses, who are Bronx and Jersey strong, not Brooklyn.

I think Casso's full of shit.

[AlexfromSouth]

If he was so tight with chin why didnt he go Westside?

Chin and his brother were a force even in the early 70's.

And the Westside was, well, the fucking Westside.
And Casso went with the Luke's, not the Gambinos/Genovese powerhouses, who are Bronx and Jersey strong, not Brooklyn.

I think Casso's full of shit.

No the lukes in the 60s were very strong, and that brooklyn crew was strong also.. Dont foget vario, etc... And we never know why certain soldiers end up with what familly..In that case nobody would be with the colombos and so on.. And we all know there were some great moneymakers and smart guyswith the colombos..
The luccchese familly had fewer buttons than the gambinos and the west but there were some good guys, lot of talent..
Like i saidwe dont know why he didnt go with the westside, maybe the lukes at that time seemed a better chance to get made quick.. You just dont know.. Plus christie tick was very very respected at the time and even latter... Remmeber he was named number 3 in 1981, and its known that the no 3 spot is reserved for the most respected members.

[johnny_scootch]

He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges.

I wouldn't be so quick to write this scenario off as total bullshit. Things aren't always black and white when it comes to recruitment. Depending on the circumstances Casso wouldn't be the first guy to pick where he landed.

[AlexfromSouth]

He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges.

I wouldn't be so quick to write this scenario off as total bullshit. Things aren't always black and white when it comes to recruitment. Depending on the circumstances Casso wouldn't be the first guy to pick where he landed.

He was connected thats for sure. Maybe today he is seen as a rat, paranoic killer or what ever but we have to give a guy props.. in his day he was a force, weter we like it or not. Like other guys that are negative today like Massino or dileonardo or even gravano i think.. Those guys were respected, let anyone who (unlike me) was from those neighbourhoods tell me otherwise.

[johnny_scootch]

He went with the Lucchese family because of Christy Tick who is an all time fucking legend in Brooklyn. Obviously they were very close.

[AlexfromSouth]

He went with the Lucchese family because of Christy Tick who is an all time fucking legend in Brooklyn. Obviously they were very close.

Thats right, and couse the Lukes were gonna make him right away..Maybe faster than the other families. But its true Tick was a legend

[B.]

He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges.

I wouldn't be so quick to write this scenario off as total bullshit. Things aren't always black and white when it comes to recruitment. Depending on the circumstances Casso wouldn't be the first guy to pick where he landed.

People are close to guys from multiple families and transfers are possible based on the circumstance, sure, but let us know if you have any examples of a situation like Carlo/Casso described where multiple families supposedly sat down with Casso and tried to convince him to join them like some kind of top quarterback prospect. These aren't college football teams, these are crime families who were opening the books for the first time in 20 years and had hundreds of potential recruits, all of whom were formally aligned with a certain family/member. They had no reason to humble themselves and compete for a guy no matter what his reputation was, especially when that's not the way the system is set up.

Casso was a major figure in his day, nobody has said otherwise, but Carlo's book is filled with unverifiable hype at best and gutter trash at worst. Regardless of the book, Casso's deal with the government was revoked because he was an untrustworthy CW. They would have loved to have used him much like they did Gravano, Leonetti, etc. but he ruined his deal and credibility. If you have other sources and info, I'm all about checking it out, though.

Thinking the mods should move this to its own topic as this has strayed pretty far from sourced info about Mario Gigante and the Genovese family. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything but the last page or so on here reads like your average GangsterBB thread.

[AlexfromSouth]

He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges.

I wouldn't be so quick to write this scenario off as total bullshit. Things aren't always black and white when it comes to recruitment. Depending on the circumstances Casso wouldn't be the first guy to pick where he landed.

People are close to guys from multiple families and transfers are possible based on the circumstance, sure, but let us know if you have any examples of a situation like Carlo/Casso described where multiple families supposedly sat down with Casso and tried to convince him to join them like some kind of top quarterback prospect. These aren't college football teams, these are crime families who were opening the books for the first time in that years and had hundreds of potential recruits, all of whom were formally aligned with a certain family/member.

Thinking the mods should move this to its own topic as this has strayed pretty far from sourced info about Mario Gigante and the Genovese family. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything but the last page or so on here reads like your average GangsterBB thread.

Yes your right like bb.. To the defense of Johnny I have to say that i didnt get the inpression that that was the case. The QB thing from the book.. Only thing its been said is that ally boy persico said something like they the lukes should paid your weight in gold and something like they havent done you no favor.. So its logic to assume that probablly the colombos wanted him and thats probably true being he grew up around carmine persico. And thats it, the Genovese thing is mentioned only in reference of Celembrino and I think thats because of him being his godfather. It was allways more logical to me that Casso switched to the lukes after celembrino died in 1971, i thought that was the case. Its not said in the book and I cant prove it but I allways thought thats when casso went with the lukes, i dont know. If somebody has some knowledge of how he meat Tick or his early connection with ticki would like to hear. In the 2 books ive read it dosent say how or why casso meat or went with tick.
Also it mentiones in the book he was tight with anthony marciano brother of lulu marciano who was made with big paul castellano but theres no indication he would ever get with the Gambinos.

[AlexfromSouth]

He claims that when the books opened in the 1970s each of the families met with him to try to recruit him as a made member which anyone with even a basic knowledge of mob protocol knows is bullshit. He made it sound like he was a top high school football star being recruited by colleges.

I wouldn't be so quick to write this scenario off as total bullshit. Things aren't always black and white when it comes to recruitment. Depending on the circumstances Casso wouldn't be the first guy to pick where he landed.

People are close to guys from multiple families and transfers are possible based on the circumstance, sure, but let us know if you have any examples of a situation like Carlo/Casso described where multiple families supposedly sat down with Casso and tried to convince him to join them like some kind of top quarterback prospect. These aren't college football teams, these are crime families who were opening the books for the first time in 20 years and had hundreds of potential recruits, all of whom were formally aligned with a certain family/member. They had no reason to humble themselves and compete for a guy no matter what his reputation was, especially when that's not the way the system is set up.

Casso was a major figure in his day, nobody has said otherwise, but Carlo's book is filled with unverifiable hype at best and gutter trash at worst. Regardless of the book, Casso's deal with the government was revoked because he was an untrustworthy CW. They would have loved to have used him much like they did Gravano, Leonetti, etc. but he ruined his deal and credibility. If you have other sources and info, I'm all about checking it out, though.

Thinking the mods should move this to its own topic as this has strayed pretty far from sourced info about Mario Gigante and the Genovese family. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything but the last page or so on here reads like your average GangsterBB thread.

Use him against what or who? The feds im thinking never wanted him, he had too much blood on his hands to much to make him testifay.. The feds just screwed him over