Functioning families

[FriendofHenry]

Cleveland - Hell no love for Pittsburgh either

[SonnyBlackstein]

No love for Cleveland?

Drew Carey has love for Cleveland.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G2l_A9nB0

[Wiseguy]

Cleveland yeah!

https://youtu.be/ysmLA5TqbIY

[Eddie mush]

Great feed back thanks wise guy

[Pogo The Clown]

The heart of rock n roll is still beatin in Cleveland.


Pogo

[furiofromnaples]

Willy you can easly watch in the chart section,more or less how made men had a family. As power in my opinion out NY Iwould put Philly that had 4 capo and 40 made men with philly and the jersey as territories,after the Patriarca that had 30-40 made men with rhode island and massachused and third the decavalcante that had only the new jersey (and not all).
At the last place the Outfit that had 30 made men but in Chicago is at least a gambling and loanshark operation,same thing for detroit only that based on the blood ties the family was very diffuclt to penetrate and prefer to earn few but enjoy it so apart Nove Tocco in 2000,the family doesnt had rats and was much white collar so it's viable but very very small.

[willychichi]

Willy you can easly watch in the chart section,more or less how made men had a family. As power in my opinion out NY Iwould put Philly that had 4 capo and 40 made men with philly and the jersey as territories,after the Patriarca that had 30-40 made men with rhode island and massachused and third the decavalcante that had only the new jersey (and not all).
At the last place the Outfit that had 30 made men but in Chicago is at least a gambling and loanshark operation,same thing for detroit only that based on the blood ties the family was very diffuclt to penetrate and prefer to earn few but enjoy it so apart Nove Tocco in 2000,the family doesnt had rats and was much white collar so it's viable but very very small.

Thank you Furio I didn't think about that with Detroit good point.

[bobbybats]

There are a few active made guys in KC and they do have a ceremonial structure but to call them a viable family would be a stretch. What you have at best would be called a crew, they are still dabbling in juice loans, gambling, fencing, narcotics and some minor construction bid rigging and control the adult entertainment in KC and the college towns such as Lawrence and warrensberg. There are maybe 4 or 5 guys that are serious i.e. dangerous guys the rest not so much. In 10 to 15 years they will most likely be gone completely.

[furiofromnaples]

http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/27/son-of-for ... ral-court/

 Son of former KC crime boss pleads guilty in federal court
POSTED 11:12 PM, FEBRUARY 27, 2014, BY MACRADEE AEGERTER


 KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The son of a former reported Kansas City crime boss pleaded guilty in federal court on Thursday to bank larceny and money laundering. According to court documents, 46-year-old Anthony T. Civella Jr. was accused of stealing more than $300,000 from ATM's his company was hired to service.

Prosecutors say Civella owned and operated a company called C Management Group, LLC. The company is registered with the Missouri Secretary of State's office to Civella's Northland home.

Prosecutors say Civella would steal money from the ATM's by using a maintenance code he had to access the machines. Then, in order to conceal the theft, prosecutors say Civella would move money between the ATM's.

In total, court documents say from 2011 to 2013 Civella stole around $330,000.00.
The money laundering charge, according to court documents, stems from Civella depositing a majority of the cash into his personal checking account at the Holy Rosary Credit Union.

Other than some traffic tickets, online court records indicate Civella has not faced any other criminal charges. But it's his family name that garners the attention.

Civella is the son of former mob boss Anthony "Tony Ripe" Civella, who according to federal investigators headed organized crime in Kansas City in the 1980's and 90's.
Civella Jr. doesn't even have a mug shot on public record. In his plea with prosecutors Civella agreed to forfeit the money he stole.

He could face up to 30 years in prison. Civella's attorney says they will have no comment until after sentencing which is not yet scheduled.

 Name: ANTHONY THOMAS CIVELLA
Register Number: 26703-045
Age: 49
Race: White
Sex: Male
Release Date: 10/01/2016
Located At: RRM Kansas City

[Pogo The Clown]

The heart of rock n roll is still beatin in Cleveland.

For those who didn't get the reference this was a Huey Lewis and the News song.


Pogo

[Angelo Santino]

It's always been debatable and open to interpretation as to what constitutes a functioning organized crime family. Some prefer to argue the merits based on the amount of activity; a continuing traditional hierarchy and some take solstice in membership numbers. Each side has a point. Cities like Pittsburgh and Cleveland do have several made members left allegedly involved in various underworld activity with no functioning organization; while others, still maintaining a hierarchy really aren't up to much (at least on paper). One could argue that the Scranton Family in the 90's with it's one remaining member dash boss Billy D'Elia would have to be considered "functioning," who despite his lack of underlings nor infrastructure was recognized as a power dash representative by the New York Families as well as Philadelphia.

The Mafia hierarchy, while showing a fully formed mafia organization, does not exist on that structure alone. Families are not formed easily and it's not as simple as someone declaring autonomy and putting underlings into mob rank positions. In fact it's essential that the proper biosphere exists for such an entity to form: Italian demographics, criminal economies and political/legal circumstances which allow for such a criminal presence to organize and build up into the precious hierarchy we all know and love. Such was the case in the late 1800's and early 1900's when we seen many of America's Mafia Families form. But starting in the late 1960's and continuing onto the present, these families began to decline with the changes in biosphere: Americanization/gentrification, the changing/evolving scope of organized crime itself as well as increasingly aggressive law enforcement. But such a decline doesn't happen overnight and while defunct families like Cleveland, Pittsburgh and New Orleans among others are essentially gone, there are traces of the biosphere- however depleted- that initially provided the mob with the means to sustain itself locally.

[furiofromnaples]

Christie it's my opinion that the american mafia will survive (as say Gloria E.) only making not full blooded or at last even (in small families) who is italian only on the mother side or like Detroit replacing the crime family with the blood family like the ndrangheta.
Or between 20 y when the ndrine in us will try to become indipendent by the motherland,who know.

[Angelo Santino]

Christie it's my opinion that the american mafia will survive (as say Gloria E.) only making not full blooded or at last even (in small families) who is italian only on the mother side or like Detroit replacing the crime family with the blood family like the ndrangheta.
Or between 20 y when the ndrine in us will try to become indipendent by the motherland,who know.

That would have been the most logical method for long term existence, but even that carries a half-life. The Mafia model of controlling localized crime is becoming inferior in a globalized world. It's quite comparable to The Office, while we can admire the resilience of Dunder-Mifflin Paper Supplies it can't compete with Staples, in the realm of OC, that would be the Chinese/Russians with their international scope. Yes, we do see international crime involving relatives in NYC and Sicily in the drug market, it's still quite microscopic compared to the French Connection and even the Pizza Case in the 60's and 80's.

[furiofromnaples]

Yes the Gigliottis ring made only 12 milion a year but is only the begin; if the ndrangheta will increse it presence in the us out NY for sure their can expand their bussiness.

[Angelo Santino]

Yes the Gigliottis ring made only 12 milion a year but is only the begin; if the ndrangheta will increse it presence in the us out NY for sure their can expand their bussiness.

The modern 'Ndrangheta has had activity here for a number of a years, as early as the 1970's. What you don't see is a newly formed group operating here like the ongoing Canadian cells. First and foremost there's no ongoing Calabrian immigration or local colonies for such a cell to form in, and two American laws are quite tough compared to Canada, they can't get away with as much here. You do have members/relatives in NYC, NJ and FL but nothing like what you see in Toronto with fully formed 'ndrini connected to RC and I doubt it will take hold in America.