Functioning families

[Eddie mush]

Hey guys in late 2016 i think we can all agree on 10 functioning families
5 in new york
Jersey
New england
Chicago
Philly
Detroit

But i have been reading alot of conficfong reports on 3 families and whether or not they Are active and they are
Kansas city
Buffalo
Cleveland

If any1 has any credible knowledge on these 3 familes i would appreciate it

[phatmatress777]

Cleveland is not active and neither is buffalo nor kc no viable or structured families left.... Cleveland was pretty much done by the mid 80s


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[Wiseguy]

Hey guys in late 2016 i think we can all agree on 10 functioning families
5 in new york
Jersey
New england
Chicago
Philly
Detroit

But i have been reading alot of conficfong reports on 3 families and whether or not they Are active and they are
Kansas city
Buffalo
Cleveland

If any1 has any credible knowledge on these 3 familes i would appreciate it

If we go with the feds and most OC experts you can scratch off Buffalo, Kansas City and Cleveland.

The others are the still viable ones though Detroit is debatable.

[BillyBrizzi]

I don't want to start any long discussion or anything Wiseguy, but I don't understand why it's debatable that they are a functioning family, they have a full administration on the street and 4 captains. I know the amount of made men is debatable and I definitely don't believe they still have more than 40 members..

[Pogo The Clown]

they have a full administration on the street and 4 captains.

Scott B. is the only source for that and he is not realiable considering his tendency to greatly overhype and over structure everything he writes about. Case in point his recent piece on the Springfield Crew. You can count on 1 hand the number LCN related cases involving Detroit over the last 20 years (almost all of them small fry) and some reports now only recognize 9 families remaining.


Pogo

[willychichi]

Pogo when was the last bust with New England not counting anything related to the Disarro case that's from years ago? It seems like the a couple of the New York families have increased their presence in areas that were controlled by New England at one time.

[Pogo The Clown]

The last one that I have on my list was the October 2014 bust involving Louis DiNunzio and 4 Associates for dealing drugs in Boston. Wasn't there also a bookmaking bust some months back in Providence?


Pogo

[willychichi]

The last one that I have on my list was the October 2014 bust involving Louis DiNunzio and 4 Associates for dealing drugs in Boston. Wasn't there also a bookmaking bust some months back in Providence?


Pogo

Thanks Pogo, Yes I think Wiseguy posted an article about the bust in Providence, I'll see if I can find it.

[Wiseguy]

Pogo when was the last bust with New England not counting anything related to the Disarro case that's from years ago? It seems like the a couple of the New York families have increased their presence in areas that were controlled by New England at one time.

If you look at the mob cases in New England and Detroit from 2000 to the present, there's no comparison. The problem is people don't do that but just go with what they can remember. And that's the only reason, other than Scott exaggerating the size and activity of what's left in Detroit, that they would think Detroit could be compared to New England.

Earlier this past April there were 20 people, including associate Timothy Moretti, busted for bookmaking and drug trafficking. In March 2015, a few guys, including associate Edward Parrotta, we're busted for video poker machines. In October 2014, Louis DiNunzio (son of former acting boss Anthony DiNunzio) and a few others were busted for drug trafficking. The following month some on that case, and others, were busted for bookmaking. In October 2014, acting boss Anthony "Spucky" Spagnolo and soldier Pryce "Stretch" Quintana were busted for extortion involving video poker machines. That same month you had the case involving associate Charles Lightbody and Wynn Resorts. There was also another bookmaking bust in August 2015, involving John Evans and Joseph Petrucelli, but I'm not sure of the mob connection there.

I could keep going back and back to show a steady and ongoing stream of mob cases in New England that are evidence of the mob's continued viability and presence there. Not to mention estimates of approximately 40-50 total members. You don't find the same ongoing activity in Detroit. And the reasons people have used to explain this (Detroit is smarter and more low key, more insular, law enforcement has bigger priorities there, etc) don't hold water, especially over the long run.

I feel like a broken record pointing this out so many times but the feds had Detroit at 30 members at most at the time of the GamTax case in 1996 - 20 years ago. Scott himself had the family at 25 members (several which have died since then) in his 2006 book Motor City Mafia. However, from that point forward, his forum charts ranged anywhere from 30 to nearly 60 names and were often more hierarchical than General Motors. Only much later, and after many debates, did he say he didn't always differentiate between members and associates on his charts. Meanwhile, other families still left that have far more demonstrable activity aren't nearly as hierarchical as Scott's vision of the Detroit mob.

[willychichi]

Thanks for the info Wiseguy. So we have the New York 5 who I assume are far and above the other 4-5 viable families in terms of numbers, power and influence. How would you guys rank the other 4 families in terms of power and influence with Detroit being a question mark at this point?

[BillyBrizzi]

Thanks for showing me the facts Wiseguy.. I will take everything Scott says take with a grain of salt from now on..

[Wiseguy]

Thanks for the info Wiseguy. So we have the New York 5 who I assume are far and above the other 4-5 viable families in terms of numbers, power and influence. How would you guys rank the other 4 families in terms of power and influence with Detroit being a question mark at this point?

In my opinion there are two large families - the Genovese and Gambinos. The Genovese are at the top and the Gambinos are a strong #2. Then you have three mid-size families - the Luccheses, Colombos and Bonannos. Outside of NY there are four small families. If I had to rank them I would probably put Chicago first, followed by New England and Philadelphia (which is a toss up), then New Jersey. In my opinion those are the 9 viable families left. To frame it another way, where there is still a significant LCN presence left is the Northeast and Chicago, as well as South Florida where the NY families operate.

While I leave room for debate, I now count Detroit among those areas (such as Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or Kansas City for example) that there are only remnants left. I don't believe we'll see another major mob case like the 1996 GamTax indictment in Detroit again. There's been some relatively minor stuff here and there over the past 20 years but the next biggest case after that came a decade ago in 2006 when 15 people, including some members like Jack Giacalone, were busted for bookmaking. There were loansharking and money-laundering charges as well but it was basically a gambling case. Some might argue it was a major bust and by Detroit standards maybe it was. But we've seen similar infrequent gambling cases in places where nobody is claiming there's still a viable family left so I don't know why Detroit is any different.

Thanks for showing me the facts Wiseguy.. I will take everything Scott says take with a grain of salt from now on..

For the record, while he did exaggerate the size and scope of the modern day Detroit mob, Scott did give useful info as well. No sense throwing out the baby with the bathwater. As I've said before, I think his best work was his Leonetti book.

[willychichi]

In my opinion there are two large families - the Genovese and Gambinos. The Genovese are at the top and the Gambinos are a strong #2. Then you have three mid-size families - the Luccheses, Colombos and Bonannos. Outside of NY there are four small families. If I had to rank them I would probably put Chicago first, followed by New England and Philadelphia (which is a toss up), then New Jersey. In my opinion those are the 9 viable families left. To frame it another way, where there is still a significant LCN presence left is the Northeast and Chicago, as well as South Florida where the NY families operate.

Thanks Wiseguy

[Teflon john]

No love for Cleveland? Just kidding.

[phatmatress777]

No love for Cleveland? Just kidding.

Cleveland is an interesting place


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