Outfit Albie Vena Now is Street Boss

[FriendofFamily]

I am not for one to be posting too much from Gangster REport but here is the Story:

http://gangsterreport.com/gr-sources-ch ... -at-least/

So According to the Report: Solly D promoted Albie Vena to Street Boss and is using an intermediary to direct the rest of the Crews.

[Snakes]

You don't even need to click on the link. What FoF posted is literally the only new information revealed in the article. This contradicts what was revealed in testimony at the Mickey Davis trial that stated that Peter DiFronzo was the "street boss for the entire Outfit." Of course, who really knows what's going on over there until someone higher up is indicted and even then we'd need a higher level snitch to identify who holds what position.

[Sol]

You don't even need to click on the link. What FoF posted is literally the only new information revealed in the article. This contradicts what was revealed in testimony at the Mickey Davis trial that stated that Peter DiFronzo was the "street boss for the entire Outfit." Of course, who really knows what's going on over there until someone higher up is indicted and even then we'd need a higher level snitch to identify who holds what position.

If what Gangster Report is true (and I'm not saying it is), that means Solly D is running the entire outfit and the Boss. I can see it being Solly D.......Soliai

[Antiliar]

You don't even need to click on the link. What FoF posted is literally the only new information revealed in the article. This contradicts what was revealed in testimony at the Mickey Davis trial that stated that Peter DiFronzo was the "street boss for the entire Outfit." Of course, who really knows what's going on over there until someone higher up is indicted and even then we'd need a higher level snitch to identify who holds what position.

I don't see it as a contradiction. First, one could have happened after the other. Pete DiFronzo could have been a mouthpiece for his brother without holding a position of his own, whereas Vena could now be an acting underboss. Plus we have to consider that what's new news to us is actually outdated old news to the current Outfit. We might not learn what's going on today for another 3 to 5 years. We're always several years behind.

[Snakes]

That's true, it just seemed odd in that they referred to Pete in the present tense as the "street boss of the entire Outfit" in the Mickey Davis trial testimony and them Scott comes out with this.

[Antiliar]

That's true, it just seemed odd in that they referred to Pete in the present tense as the "street boss of the entire Outfit" in the Mickey Davis trial testimony and them Scott comes out with this.

Plus, what does "street boss" even mean? As far as I know, it's not an official term that the Outfit has ever used. It's more a journalist term. Is it just Mickey Davis's street slang for "shot caller"? Is it just a descriptive term and not a real label? Or is Davis just confused? After all, he's not a made guy and sometimes things are explained on a "need to know" basis. Maybe he was filling in the gaps. To a newly hired employee in a corporation the president is the top dog, but the president in reality answers to a CEO. If a CEO used a secretary to delegate orders to management, perhaps to the new employee would think that the secretary is the day-to-day boss.

[FriendofFamily]

It almost seems that Street Boss is COO (Chief Operating Officer). Just using Corporate terms to describe the position, but we really shouldn't try to compare the Structures because of the Outfit isn't even operating the way a singular Corporation would be unless it was rogue.

I can make an inquiry, but I really don't see any benefit to it. Otherwise people could just come up with something and ask to have it checked out. Then the contacts and the trails begin unnecessarily.

[Snakes]

Outfit never operated with fully traditional forms of LCN hierarchy either. I doubt DeLaurentis told Vena "You're the street boss now." It was probably more along the lines of "Everything from me goes through you know now," although that begs the question of what Sal Cataudella's spot is if he is underboss, which according to Scott, he is. How much stock do you put in Scott's articles, Antilliar? I straddle the fence of plausibility, if only because the quotes he uses from his "sources" seem so fabricated/scripted.

[Antiliar]

Outfit never operated with fully traditional forms of LCN hierarchy either. I doubt DeLaurentis told Vena "You're the street boss now." It was probably more along the lines of "Everything from me goes through you know now," although that begs the question of what Sal Cataudella's spot is if he is underboss, which according to Scott, he is. How much stock do you put in Scott's articles, Antilliar? I straddle the fence of plausibility, if only because the quotes he uses from his "sources" seem so fabricated/scripted.

I know Scott and think he's a decent journalist. He has contacts with both the FBI, and at least in Detroit, with the underworld. Some people don't like his literary style, like using "don" for Mafia boss, but that's just to keep the articles interesting and not repetitive. So to answer your question, if someone told him that Vena is a "street boss," then his source, who I assume is probably a reliable and decent source, told him that Vena was moved up to something like "street boss" is Scott's term or an explanatory term that he provided. Maybe his source used the term "street boss," but that doesn't mean that the original source also used the term "street boss."

So what does this mean for Cataudella? If Cataudella is the official underboss, is Vena the acting underboss? Why would Cataudella need an acting underboss? Did Cataudella retire or replaced? Or is Vena an added cushion/level of protection between DeLuarentis and Cataudella and the rest of the Outfit? Maybe his position was like Joe Negal, who wasn't an official boss but was given more power so he was almost like a boss, like Torello before him. Technically Negal was the capo of Cicero-Taylor Street crew, but seems to have been groomed to take over for Aiuppa.

EDIT: Spoke with Scott. He says that Albie Vena relays messages from Solly D to the other crews, and that's what he means by street boss. Vena's been doing this since January. Scott's not sure how Cataudella figures in this, but as far as he knows he's still the underboss. So it seems like an extra layer of protection or grooming (this is MY observation). He says his sources are not LE.

[Snakes]

Thanks for the reply. Interesting stuff. I really have nothing against Scott but I'm a historian and an archivist so any time that sources aren't cited it drives me nuts lol. Hence the skepticism. But if you vouch for him that's good enough for me.

I'm not a big fan of labels, at least as far as the Outfit is concerned, but if I had to guess at the hierarchy I'd say it's the following:

1. John DiFronzo (retired, still receives tribute)
2. Joe Andriacchi (retired, see above)
3. Sal DeLaurentis (acting boss until one or both of the above passes)
4. Sal Cataudella (underboss, #2; aids DeLaurentis with decisions and running the Outfit)
5. Albert Vena (relays messages from the above 2 to the other crews)
6. Marco D'Amico (possibly semi-retired; advisory role)
7. John Matassa (may also be in an advisory role, I believe he and Marco have been associated for quite some time)

Sounds like a lot of chiefs for not that many Indians but who knows how many guys the Outfit has active on the streets in their crews.

[FriendofFamily]

[quote= EDIT: Spoke with Scott. He says that Albie Vena relays messages from Solly D to the other crews, and that's what he means by street boss. Vena's been doing this since January. Scott's not sure how Cataudella figures in this, but as far as he knows he's still the underboss. So it seems like an extra layer of protection or grooming (this is MY observation). He says his sources are not LE.[/quote]

In the Article it says Solly D is giving orders to Vena via an Intermediary. So who is the Intermediary? If Scott says he not sure how Cataudella figures in - is he bypassed or is it just a smoke screen so it doesn't make it look like it should "hierarchically speaking" be.

Is it 1. Solly D to Cataudella to Vena?

Or is it 2. Solly D to "Unknown - yet to be determined Intermediary" to Vena?

3. Something else

[Snakes]

It's possible that Cataudella is the intermediary. Peter DiFronzo may also be up there as far as regarding the affairs of his brother, although I doubt he's the intermediary in question.

[Nicholas]

That's true, it just seemed odd in that they referred to Pete in the present tense as the "street boss of the entire Outfit" in the Mickey Davis trial testimony and them Scott comes out with this.

Plus, what does "street boss" even mean? As far as I know, it's not an official term that the Outfit has ever used.

It also seems a term that originated with the Five Families, not any of the other 3 or 4 that still exist

[phatmatress777]

I know barely nothing about the current Chicago mob and not trying to derail the thread but not trying to start a new topic but you guys that know the chi town boys .... How many of them are actual millionaires?


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[Snakes]

DiFronzo for sure. Maybe Andriacchi. That's probably it as far as multi millionaires are concerned.