Cleveland 1960's

[Stroccos]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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The info that went with the chart, as testified by Joseph Griffin, FBI field officer of Cleveland:

"The FBI recently convicted the last active made member of the Cleveland LCN Family for Federal narcotics violations. Even with the successful prosecution of the Cleveland Family, all it would take is one initiation ceremony to take in new members and the Cleveland Family would be back in business once more." - April 1988.

ahh I see by 88 Pittsburgh was expanding into cuyahoogA county... The 80s late 80s at that were a horrible time to start rebuilding from the ground up

I asked about this before and some people vaguely recall it. There was an FBI undercover sting operation where agents posing as NY Mafia members went to Cleveland and offered to make certain people, one was even a black guy. This was in the news, I remember it but fuck I can't find it. This would have been 90's.

I believe your talking about Michael joy who was made by the FBI

[phatmatress777]

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_16.html


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[Angelo Santino]

You guys know more than me. I was beginning to think I imagined the whole thing. Thanks.

[Pogo The Clown]

I remember this case on some documentary. They even interviewed that guy Joyce. The Feds posed as two Gambino members (looking and sounding right out of some cheap mob B movie) and put Joyce through a "making ceremony" that was filmed. That dumbass fell for it.


Pogo

[phatmatress777]

I remember this case on some documentary. They even interviewed that guy Joyce. The Feds posed as two Gambino members (looking and sounding right out of some cheap mob B movie) and put Joyce through a "making ceremony" that was filmed. That dumbass fell for it.


Pogo

yep pretty grimey and creative from the Feds at the same time.. The article I posted from American Mafia explains everything in pretty good detail surrounding that situation .

[Ivan]

I remember this case on some documentary. They even interviewed that guy Joyce. The Feds posed as two Gambino members (looking and sounding right out of some cheap mob B movie) and put Joyce through a "making ceremony" that was filmed. That dumbass fell for it.

I remember when that happened, funny shit.

[phatmatress777]

All this talk of these Ohio cities and looking at the difference between then and now is really saddening. Most of these cities are victims of time and it's doubtful that they will ever bounce back. A lot of areas of Pittsburgh is the same way. McKeesport and Youngstown are basically the same story ... Once thriving cities have now been reduced to area that just needs bulldozed over. Such a shame that the United States can't have industry.


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[Angelo Santino]

All this talk of these Ohio cities and looking at the difference between then and now is really saddening. Most of these cities are victims of time and it's doubtful that they will ever bounce back. A lot of areas of Pittsburgh is the same way. McKeesport and Youngstown are basically the same story ... Once thriving cities have now been reduced to area that just needs bulldozed over. Such a shame that the United States can't have industry.


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The Pennsylvania RR prior to the 1950's was the largest publicly traded corporation in the world, with a budget larger than that of the U.S. government. That changed in the 60's. In the 1980's manufacturing jobs were sent oversees which knocked out another industry. Coal is really the last vestige and that'll be gone within 40 years. To be fair, CL and PB have upgraded and survived but the smaller towns around it continue to decline. It is sad.

[phatmatress777]

All this talk of these Ohio cities and looking at the difference between then and now is really saddening. Most of these cities are victims of time and it's doubtful that they will ever bounce back. A lot of areas of Pittsburgh is the same way. McKeesport and Youngstown are basically the same story ... Once thriving cities have now been reduced to area that just needs bulldozed over. Such a shame that the United States can't have industry.


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The Pennsylvania RR prior to the 1950's was the largest publicly traded corporation in the world, with a budget larger than that of the U.S. government. That changed in the 60's. In the 1980's manufacturing jobs were sent oversees which knocked out another industry. Coal is really the last vestige and that'll be gone within 40 years. To be fair, CL and PB have upgraded and survived but the smaller towns around it continue to decline. It is sad.

at one time no one could touch Pittsburgh in ways of manufacturing... We had us steel in back yard... The city buildings were stained black due to the mills and everyone loved it. People had jobs. Pittsburgh has survived yes but it's a different ball game now. Coal is on its way out the door if the democrats have anything to say about it. Obama waged a war on coal and he has pretty much won. I have my underground mining certifications. I come from a union coal mining family. My dad was a union thug involved in many violent acts for them. Him and his local were actually indicted in federal court in 1990. Now they are starting in on the gas and oil industry. It's a shame we have all these resources that could be used cheaply and would help us not give money to our enemies, and become self reliant for own energy. This subject is very near and dear to me. With the shutting down of coal mines and the gas patch it has hurt so many other industries such as restruants car dealerships hotels etc etc. it's a domino effect and has hurt our area so bad. First the steel mills and then they want to take everything. It's a fucking shame! I hope green energy goes by the way side lol

[Angelo Santino]

Strocco, do you have pics of Battista and Lafatch? You posted them ut they are now unavailable.

[Stroccos]

Strocco, do you have pics of Battista and Lafatch? You posted them ut they are now unavailable.

I dont have one of Battista I will repost the lafatch one

[Stroccos]

Christ Christie you have John nardi and nick nardi mansfield am I missing something ? . They were Cleveland guys . Although they probaly operated all over with union business .

I believe Jerome Milano operated in Cali only

That came from one of the fbi files. If that or anything else is incorrect please let me know. You've helped tremendously already.

Questions to you:
1: do you think Cleveland city had more than frank brancato as a captain?
2: how accurate is Youngstown. There is conflicting information and the fbi has contrasting reports on whether people were with Cleveland or Pittsburgh. The mallamo-Romeo org seemed to have members who later became official w CL or PB.
3: how prominent do you think the angersolas were in their time?

1. I think it's certainly possible , Cleveland had a 800k population in the 60's . Frank Embrescia comes to mind , possibly Carmen basile ,
2. Covered in another post
3. Very prominent major players , by the 60's they I believe we're permantly in flordia running gambling operations

1) How about Dominic Sospirato?
2) In this thread? If not I'd be interesting in reading it and I may have some questions.
3) That they were included in the skim after being "retired" could hint at them being more than soldiers.

I dont believe Dominic was A captain I think lonardo said he was getting A small taste of the skim Probably for services rendered. Tony Panzarella for example was put in charge of numbers but not sure if he would of been considred a captain.
John Angersola was A major player

[Stroccos]

Guagenti-Frank I believe he was operating in Allen County

[Stroccos]

Here is my opinion on made or not made , most likely not made at least in the 60's , Ron Carrabia , john licavoli blumetti both nardis , lamonge, callavaro the rest I have to look at my notes

Same say Carrabia and both nardis were made but If so when did they get buttoned is the question

do u think it was possible that nick was made with the la family under Milano ? I've read that before however idk if it's true

yeah def A possibly when PEte became boss. I just dont think he got buttoned in Cleveland ,