Cleveland 1960's

[phatmatress777]

Here is my opinion on made or not made , most likely not made at least in the 60's , Ron Carrabia , john licavoli blumetti both nardis , lamonge, callavaro the rest I have to look at my notes

Same say Carrabia and both nardis were made but If so when did they get buttoned is the question

do u think it was possible that nick was made with the la family under Milano ? I've read that before however idk if it's true

[Angelo Santino]

I don't want to go into a long historical preamble, but everything I've found since 1900 indicates the Youngstown area was "with" the Pittsburgh/Western PA Syndicate. I initially provided Jimmy with the backdrop which he took and made his own to the point of us being equals and his own research correlates. The Cleveland Syndicate got it's start later, perhaps that's how an earlier "Pittsburgh" was able to spread into Ohio but not the other way around.

Looking at the syndicate styles of leadership, the Romeo/Mallamo Org would have been "more at home" with PB. But there have been members of this group identified as part of CL, prior to the 1960's I'd say it's unlikely. Milano and Youngstown were amicable but guilt by association isn't always an accurate indicator.

Did Jack White run a full-on crew in Youngstown or was he just the eastern designated leader of people in the area. Other soldiers in other cities reported to him Scalish wanted White to succeed him. Had DeMarco or Brancato been around after Scalish died the history might have taken a different turn and maybe they wouldn't have accepted White, we'll never know.

[Angelo Santino]

Here is my opinion on made or not made , most likely not made at least in the 60's , Ron Carrabia , john licavoli blumetti both nardis , lamonge, callavaro the rest I have to look at my notes

Same say Carrabia and both nardis were made but If so when did they get buttoned is the question

I would think Carrabia, Nardi were made later, perhaps in the 70's. But wasn't Jack Licavoli captain in the 60's? Anyone were not sure is made we won't list as such. I'm trying to be as accurate and objective as I can. We can always focus on a later era at a different time.

[Pogo The Clown]

According to Angelo Lonardo only 6 members were made from the time Licavoli became Boss in 1976 until he (Lonardo) was imprisoned in 1983. Anthony Liberatore and John Calandra in 1977. Thomas Sinito and Joseph Gallo in 1979/80 and Joe "Loose" Iacobacci and Russell Papalardo in 1983.


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[Angelo Santino]

Pages 846-849 contain a Chronology Of Violence related to CL. 850-851 contains a chalkboard chart of CL. (resolution sucks, I can scan and post if anyone wants.)
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitiz ... 3NCJRS.pdf

[Stroccos]

Christ Christie you have John nardi and nick nardi mansfield am I missing something ? . They were Cleveland guys . Although they probaly operated all over with union business .

I believe Jerome Milano operated in Cali only

That came from one of the fbi files. If that or anything else is incorrect please let me know. You've helped tremendously already.

Questions to you:
1: do you think Cleveland city had more than frank brancato as a captain?
2: how accurate is Youngstown. There is conflicting information and the fbi has contrasting reports on whether people were with Cleveland or Pittsburgh. The mallamo-Romeo org seemed to have members who later became official w CL or PB.
3: how prominent do you think the angersolas were in their time?

1. I think it's certainly possible , Cleveland had a 800k population in the 60's . Frank Embrescia comes to mind , possibly Carmen basile ,
2. Covered in another post
3. Very prominent major players , by the 60's they I believe we're permantly in flordia running gambling operations

[Angelo Santino]

Christ Christie you have John nardi and nick nardi mansfield am I missing something ? . They were Cleveland guys . Although they probaly operated all over with union business .

I believe Jerome Milano operated in Cali only

That came from one of the fbi files. If that or anything else is incorrect please let me know. You've helped tremendously already.

Questions to you:
1: do you think Cleveland city had more than frank brancato as a captain?
2: how accurate is Youngstown. There is conflicting information and the fbi has contrasting reports on whether people were with Cleveland or Pittsburgh. The mallamo-Romeo org seemed to have members who later became official w CL or PB.
3: how prominent do you think the angersolas were in their time?

1. I think it's certainly possible , Cleveland had a 800k population in the 60's . Frank Embrescia comes to mind , possibly Carmen basile ,
2. Covered in another post
3. Very prominent major players , by the 60's they I believe we're permantly in flordia running gambling operations

1) How about Dominic Sospirato?
2) In this thread? If not I'd be interesting in reading it and I may have some questions.
3) That they were included in the skim after being "retired" could hint at them being more than soldiers.

[Stroccos]

Also didnt Demarco kill a boss ? And polizzi had to save him with the commission . Maybe that's why he was passed over just a thought .

[Angelo Santino]

Also didnt Demarco kill a boss ? And polizzi had to save him with the commission . Maybe that's why he was passed over just a thought .

That's true, good thought.

[Angelo Santino]

1985 Chart
http://s32.postimg.org/qfcpdpgck/cleveland_LCN1985.jpg

[phatmatress777]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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[Angelo Santino]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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I think 1988. Here is what Joseph Griffin, FBI field officer of Cleveland had to say in testimony in April 1988:

"The FBI recently convicted the last active made member of the Cleveland LCN Family for Federal narcotics violations. Even with the successful prosecution of the Cleveland Family, all it would take is one initiation ceremony to take in new members and the Cleveland Family would be back in business once more."

Seems pretty decimated to me.

[phatmatress777]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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The info that went with the chart, as testified by Joseph Griffin, FBI field officer of Cleveland:

"The FBI recently convicted the last active made member of the Cleveland LCN Family for Federal narcotics violations. Even with the successful prosecution of the Cleveland Family, all it would take is one initiation ceremony to take in new members and the Cleveland Family would be back in business once more." - April 1988.

ahh I see by 88 Pittsburgh was expanding into cuyahoogA county... The 80s late 80s at that were a horrible time to start rebuilding from the ground up

[Angelo Santino]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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The info that went with the chart, as testified by Joseph Griffin, FBI field officer of Cleveland:

"The FBI recently convicted the last active made member of the Cleveland LCN Family for Federal narcotics violations. Even with the successful prosecution of the Cleveland Family, all it would take is one initiation ceremony to take in new members and the Cleveland Family would be back in business once more." - April 1988.

ahh I see by 88 Pittsburgh was expanding into cuyahoogA county... The 80s late 80s at that were a horrible time to start rebuilding from the ground up

I asked about this before and some people vaguely recall it. There was an FBI undercover sting operation where agents posing as NY Mafia members went to Cleveland and offered to make certain people, one was even a black guy. This was in the news, I remember it but fuck I can't find it. This would have been 90's.

[phatmatress777]

So according to that chart the family was inactive by 85?


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The info that went with the chart, as testified by Joseph Griffin, FBI field officer of Cleveland:

"The FBI recently convicted the last active made member of the Cleveland LCN Family for Federal narcotics violations. Even with the successful prosecution of the Cleveland Family, all it would take is one initiation ceremony to take in new members and the Cleveland Family would be back in business once more." - April 1988.

ahh I see by 88 Pittsburgh was expanding into cuyahoogA county... The 80s late 80s at that were a horrible time to start rebuilding from the ground up

I asked about this before and some people vaguely recall it. There was an FBI undercover sting operation where agents posing as NY Mafia members went to Cleveland and offered to make certain people, one was even a black guy. This was in the news, I remember it but fuck I can't find it. This would have been 90's.

interesting.. I would love to read about it I'll see what I can round up.. I know Jeff riddle out of Youngstown (the black drug dealer strollo used to as his connect to the black community ) was convinced that he was going to be the first blAck member of the Mafia. He even referred to himself as the black John gotti of Ohio lol