Cleveland 1960's

[Pogo The Clown]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

[phatmatress777]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

[Stroccos]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

I don't believe he was made , jimmy the weasel I believe talked about it . Maybe in the Greene book . Where he was recanting his intial conversation about Greene and nardi with delsanter . Tony Hughes also told me nardi wasn't made if that means anything .

[Stroccos]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

allot of the guys on that list probably were not made . At its peak cleveland had 40-50 members according to Angelo Lonardo' testimony.

[phatmatress777]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

allot of the guys on that list probably were not made . At its peak cleveland had 40-50 members according to Angelo Lonardo' testimony.

ok so associates on the list are being called soldiers ? Sorry I'm not trying to b a pain in the ass an I actually love this thread... I very much enjoy the Cleveland and Pittsburgh families...

[phatmatress777]

Also when was the last making ceremony for Cleveland? Who did it involve?


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[FriendofHenry]

Youngstown was always pretty much Pittsburgh territory as for as my knowledge extends. Yes it did have Cleveland mobsters there but more so ran from by Pittsburgh mainly for years by jimmy briar hill Prato

Briar Hill Jimmy "Two Gun Jimmy"

so it was "briar hill jimmy" and not jimmy "briar hill" Prato?

Yes, Briar Hill Jimmy aka. "Two Gun Jimmy" as he always wore an old suit with an open shit and two old S&W 38's stuck in his belt.
I played poker in a couple of different games in Struthers that belonged to RC. These games were run by RC's cousin Junior Senzarino. Junior was killed at his home with a 12ga.
Jimmy was a regular at the game held on Youngstown-Struthers Rd. next door to the Tangier. We were playing on the 4th of July when someone set off a couple of M80's.
Jimmy came out of his seat guns a blazen.While the rest of us hit the floor

[Angelo Santino]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

allot of the guys on that list probably were not made . At its peak cleveland had 40-50 members according to Angelo Lonardo' testimony.

I'm open to your thoughts. If someone wasn't made, we can remove him from being made and leave it open (associate or whatever).

What are your thoughts on Youngstown? Anyone here that should be removed? Anyone here actually with PB and should be removed?

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YOUNGSTOWN/WARREN
-Capo - Jack Licovoli, replaced by Tony DelSanter
Soldiers-
Carabbia-Ronald
Cavallaro-Charles
Licavoli-John
DelSanter-Anthony
Lantini-William
Mollica-Antonio (mansfield)
Nardi-John (mansfield)
Nardi-Nicholas* (mansfield)
Semenoro-Carmen
Cordona-William
Creamo-Alphonso
Crisafi-Vincenzo
Paolacci-Mariano*
Caputo-Dominic*
Vizzini-Charles
LaMonge-Paul
Blumetti-Giuseppe*
Sasso-Anthony* (warren)
Mallamo-Dominic : The FBI listed him as with Cleveland but could they be mistaken? I've looked at both Pittsburgh and Cleveland's early history and I have a very hard time believing he went with CL. Now I'm not about to walk in here and say there is no way but this does not jive with me. If it happened, could there have been a dispute with Pittsburgh that made him go with CL? The Milanos and them remained close since the early days but Youngstown was traditionally linked to Pittsburgh back to the 1900's. But like Slim Charles said: "Y'know dat thang bout the ol'days.. see dey da ol'days" so... Any help or insight would be appreciated.
Suspected Made:
Nick Barone
Assoc
James "bananas" Matash (w Delsanter)

[FriendofHenry]

Wow - Believe me I'm no expert but there more Cleveland gut list for Youngstown than I thought there were.
For sure you need to check with JCB about Big Dom. I always thought he was a Pittsburgh guy all the way.

[Angelo Santino]

Wow - Believe me I'm no expert but there more Cleveland gut list for Youngstown than I thought there were.
For sure you need to check with JCB about Big Dom. I always thought he was a Pittsburgh guy all the way.

I think the same about DM (read what I wrote), but I don't know enough. This chart is not definitive by any means.

[phatmatress777]

Charles cavallero- associate known as Cadillac Charlie his murder led to Youngstown being dubbed murdertown USA

Anthony delsanter consig of Cleveland was friends with jimmy the weAsel was close with Larocca and frank valenti

Carmen semenoro associate enforcer killed in 1970, gangland style

Alphonse creamo - made

Paul lamonge - associate owned Capri night club with wife in niles Ohio

Anthony sasso - made operated out of warren Ohio

Dominic mallamo pratos uncle was aligned with Pittsburgh


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[phatmatress777]

I was bored tonight with no booze so I came up with a little bit of facts from the guys off that list


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[Stroccos]

Was John Nardi made or not? I've read that he was an associate many times through out the years.

He wasn't made. Evidently that was one of his major beefs with the family.


Pogo

ok I see that they had him listed as a soilder out of Mansfield which didn't make sense to me ...

allot of the guys on that list probably were not made . At its peak cleveland had 40-50 members according to Angelo Lonardo' testimony.

I'm open to your thoughts. If someone wasn't made, we can remove him from being made and leave it open (associate or whatever).

What are your thoughts on Youngstown? Anyone here that should be removed? Anyone here actually with PB and should be removed?

---------------------------
YOUNGSTOWN/WARREN
-Capo - Jack Licovoli, replaced by Tony DelSanter
Soldiers-
Carabbia-Ronald
Cavallaro-Charles
Licavoli-John
DelSanter-Anthony
Lantini-William
Mollica-Antonio (mansfield)
Nardi-John (mansfield)
Nardi-Nicholas* (mansfield)
Semenoro-Carmen
Cordona-William
Creamo-Alphonso
Crisafi-Vincenzo
Paolacci-Mariano*
Caputo-Dominic*
Vizzini-Charles
LaMonge-Paul
Blumetti-Giuseppe*
Sasso-Anthony* (warren)
Mallamo-Dominic : The FBI listed him as with Cleveland but could they be mistaken? I've looked at both Pittsburgh and Cleveland's early history and I have a very hard time believing he went with CL. Now I'm not about to walk in here and say there is no way but this does not jive with me. If it happened, could there have been a dispute with Pittsburgh that made him go with CL? The Milanos and them remained close since the early days but Youngstown was traditionally linked to Pittsburgh back to the 1900's. But like Slim Charles said: "Y'know dat thang bout the ol'days.. see dey da ol'days" so... Any help or insight would be appreciated.
Suspected Made:
Nick Barone
Assoc
James "bananas" Matash (w Delsanter)

Everything looks good to me expect the nardis

Wasnt Mallamo like A elder statesmen freindly with Scalish and MIlano and Pitt admin as well. It was I believe Charlie Carrabia who reached out to Mallamo to settle his beef with Pittsburgh in 1980.

[Stroccos]

Here is my opinion on made or not made , most likely not made at least in the 60's , Ron Carrabia , john licavoli blumetti both nardis , lamonge, callavaro the rest I have to look at my notes

Same say Carrabia and both nardis were made but If so when did they get buttoned is the question

[Stroccos]

Wow - Believe me I'm no expert but there more Cleveland gut list for Youngstown than I thought there were.
For sure you need to check with JCB about Big Dom. I always thought he was a Pittsburgh guy all the way.

Yeah its kinda mind boggling how people were involved . noone is A expert JCB will give us the skinny. I am with you i thougbt mallamo was A elder statesman liason for both crime families but leaned with PItt