Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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After further review...

Seems the info given by the CI, in 1969, detailed a meeting held two years before Apalachian, at the Boot's house, which doesnt seem on topic.

Here's the link anyway, as well as the other 14 pages on this report. Apologies for misinterpreting the initial info. :?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page
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In that January 1963 meeting with Zerilli and Patriarca, Zerilli says he is on the Commission. He also complains that Commission business takes up so much of his time he has had to neglect the business he runs. That suggests to me that being on the Commission was still relatively new to him since he was struggling to balance his time.

That meeting about Anastasias death says that Carlo Gambino spoke at the meeting and said that Anastasia was hit for using people from other families to commit murders and also killing people who should not have been killed. I feel like I've seen countless justifications for the murder.

Side note, but the informant also says he knew Joe Notaro to be with the Gambino family before it was taken over by Carlo Gambino. Doesn't clarify if they mean leading up to Gambinos takeover or if they mean he was associated with them farther back. Notaro was made in the mid-1950s according to his own words on the DeCavalcante tapes and was a soldier in Galante's crew, but would be interesting if he had originally been a Gambino associate.

Report also mentions rumors of several priests being members in NYC and talks about priests in Sicily being members.

Talks about a Genovese making ceremony in 1957, too. Frank Cacciatore was sponsored by "Taddo DeMarco" aka "Taddo Del" (Generoso DelDuca) from Brooklyn. DelDuca took Cacciatore to meet with "Pete Delsi" (Dolce?) who is described as an old capodecina. His brother "Ralph Delsi" was a made member who owned the Crow's Nest, where Cacciatore was taken. "Delsi" asked Cacciatore about his family background and parents and asked DelDuca to vouch for him. "Delsi" then apparently took this info to "the big guys". The next Sunday, a making ceremony was held at a luncheonette most likely in Brooklyn where Cacciatore, Joey DeMarco (not believed to be related to DelDuca/"DeMarco"), and "Pepi" LNU were inducted, with all three sponsored by DelDuca. Both of the "Delsi" brothers also attended. "Pepi" owned a candy store and was closely associated with Cacciatore.

A year later, Cacciatore was given a contract to kill Joey DeMarco because DeMarco broke family policy by dealing drugs. Two proposed members were involved in the hit as well to help qualify them to be made.
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It also has info from that Vario soldier who gave information we've discussed a lot on here. One thing he says is that for his own induction, they had to get the approval of Paulie Hamm because the proposed member (the informant) was from Hamm's territory (but he wasn't associated with Ham). I've never heard of anyone doing this, pretty interesting.

Says that Carmine Tramunti was a soldier in Hamm's crew and when Hamm died Tramunti become capo of that crew.

Vario's capo "the baker" (Salvatore Curiale) apparently hated for anyone to drop by his bakery to visit/meet with him and sounds very paranoid and low-key. Apparently Vario gave him a cut of all their scores, though.

Vario apparently introduced the informant to very few fellow LCN members. One of these was Johnny Angelo of the Gambino family.

Also says that Taddo DelDuca was both murdered soldier Joey DeMarco's "LCN godfather" (sponsor) and his baptismal godfather in Church, so maybe there is a relation.

Anyway, this is way off topic from the Commission but that doc is interesting.
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B. wrote:It also has info from that Vario soldier who gave information we've discussed a lot on here. One thing he says is that for his own induction, they had to get the approval of Paulie Hamm because the proposed member (the informant) was from Hamm's territory (but he wasn't associated with Ham). I've never heard of anyone doing this, pretty interesting.

Says that Carmine Tramunti was a soldier in Hamm's crew and when Hamm died Tramunti become capo of that crew.

Vario's capo "the baker" (Salvatore Curiale) apparently hated for anyone to drop by his bakery to visit/meet with him and sounds very paranoid and low-key. Apparently Vario gave him a cut of all their scores, though.

Vario apparently introduced the informant to very few fellow LCN members. One of these was Johnny Angelo of the Gambino family.

Also says that Taddo DelDuca was both murdered soldier Joey DeMarco's "LCN godfather" (sponsor) and his baptismal godfather in Church, so maybe there is a relation.

Anyway, this is way off topic from the Commission but that doc is interesting.
you found this on MF?
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Cheech wrote:
B. wrote:It also has info from that Vario soldier who gave information we've discussed a lot on here. One thing he says is that for his own induction, they had to get the approval of Paulie Hamm because the proposed member (the informant) was from Hamm's territory (but he wasn't associated with Ham). I've never heard of anyone doing this, pretty interesting.

Says that Carmine Tramunti was a soldier in Hamm's crew and when Hamm died Tramunti become capo of that crew.

Vario's capo "the baker" (Salvatore Curiale) apparently hated for anyone to drop by his bakery to visit/meet with him and sounds very paranoid and low-key. Apparently Vario gave him a cut of all their scores, though.

Vario apparently introduced the informant to very few fellow LCN members. One of these was Johnny Angelo of the Gambino family.

Also says that Taddo DelDuca was both murdered soldier Joey DeMarco's "LCN godfather" (sponsor) and his baptismal godfather in Church, so maybe there is a relation.

Anyway, this is way off topic from the Commission but that doc is interesting.
you found this on MF?
The doc Doobeez posted right above mine.
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Great stuff B. Peter Delsi is most likely Peter DeFeo. A long time Capo in Brooklyn.


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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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I did Cheech, but as B noted, it was not directly on topic for this thread. Apologies again, all... :(

HK, if it needs to be moved, by all means do so.

-Ive found some more info on MF surrounding the Banana War as well, that WILL eventually be posted in the correct thread. ;)
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JD wrote:There was some discussion awhile back on the CI's possible identity, it's pretty much certain to be Carmine Taglialatella from East Harlem. So far I haven't found any other source that gives confirmation on him actually being made but a lot of his info checks out and you can verify his associations with some of these people through articles on the Fulton site.

'Delsi' might be a reference to Dolce but could be wrong.
Yeah, after seeing Correale's territory mentioned specifically, I would bet everything that it's Taglialatella.

From what he says here, Vario deliberately avoided introducing him to other members so that may be why he isn't known by other sources. I can't remember if it's the same informant, but there was also a report that said the Lucchese family specifically discouraged its members from being introduced to members of other families.
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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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B. wrote:Says that Carmine Tramunti was a soldier in Hamm's crew and when Hamm died Tramunti become capo of that crew.

Any idea who this Paulie Hamm is? I thought it may be in reference to Capo Anthony “Ham” Delasco but Delasco was Jersey based and this Paulie's Crew seems to be Brooklyn based and connected with Traumunti.


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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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Pogo The Clown wrote:
B. wrote:Says that Carmine Tramunti was a soldier in Hamm's crew and when Hamm died Tramunti become capo of that crew.

Any idea who this Paulie Hamm is? I thought it may be in reference to Capo Anthony “Ham” Delasco but Delasco was Jersey based and this Paulie's Crew seems to be Brooklyn based and connected with Traumunti.


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Oh it's Paul Correale of East Harlem and later LI.
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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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Doobeez wrote:I did Cheech, but as B noted, it was not directly on topic for this thread. Apologies again, all... :(

HK, if it needs to be moved, by all means do so.

-Ive found some more info on MF surrounding the Banana War as well, that WILL eventually be posted in the correct thread. ;)

no no no, i like you posted it. was baked and didnt look
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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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JD wrote:There was some discussion awhile back on the CI's possible identity, it's pretty much certain to be Carmine Taglialatella from East Harlem. So far I haven't found any other source that gives confirmation on him actually being made but a lot of his info checks out and you can verify his associations with some of these people through articles on the Fulton site.

'Delsi' might be a reference to Dolce but could be wrong.
The title of this report from the same informant was "Carmine Joseph Taglialatella". Looks like they forgot to black it out or figured nobody would make the connection: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page
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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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Doobeez wrote:After further review...

Seems the info given by the CI, in 1969, detailed a meeting held two years before Apalachian, at the Boot's house, which doesnt seem on topic.

Here's the link anyway, as well as the other 14 pages on this report. Apologies for misinterpreting the initial info. :?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page
Are their more than one ci in this or is just Tagliatella?
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Re: Question about The Comission 1959-1984

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this one has Vario as with the Bonnanos originally. I didnt know that

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

and a similar one with les redactions

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page
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