Queens gambling bust

[DPG]

You should be shot for not doing exactly 70 in the right lane on the interstate...

[SonnyBlackstein]

The above was actually a line from the Al Pacino movie ...and justice for all.

Ya got me scary clown.

25 years for running a gambling operation you can't be serious .

Wiseguy is VERY serious.

Sadly.

[Wiseguy]

Yes, I am very serious. Some of us here actually think crime should be taken seriously and punished severely. But I've been on these boards long enough to know many will disagree, often because they glorify the criminals we talk about. Nobody said anything about chopping hands off but if a bookie or other criminal knew he was going to face 25 years in prison doing hard labor, he'd probably be more inclined to seek another career. Bit we'll never see that because too many in our society are weak minded and soft on crime. And that includes many on these forums.

[Stroccos]

Yes, I am very serious. Some of us here actually think crime should be taken seriously and punished severely. But I've been on these boards long enough to know many will disagree, often because they glorify the criminals we talk about. Nobody said anything about chopping hands off but if a bookie or other criminal knew he was going to face 25 years in prison doing hard labor, he'd probably be more inclined to seek another career. Bit we'll never see that because too many in our society are weak minded and soft on crime. And that includes many on these forums.

Yet you have thousands of post on a mob forum and seem to follow every family . I just dont believe you truly believe that.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Some of us here actually think crime should be taken seriously and punished severely.

If you dont think a bookie deserves 25yrs then you dont take crime seriously.

Yawn.

often because they glorify the criminals we talk about.

If you dont think a bookie deserves 25yrs its because you glorify criminals.

Yawn.

if a bookie or other criminal knew he was going to face 25 years in prison doing hard labor, he'd probably be more inclined to seek another career.

Hence, lets whack their kids. That would DEF give them second thoughts. I mean thats the point here isnt it?

Logic Yawn.

Bit we'll never see that because too many in our society are weak minded and soft on crime. And that includes many on these forums.

Refer points one and two and thank fuck you'll never be president.

Wiseguy,
have a look one day at crime rates in Canada and Australia. Two countries Ive lived in. Then look at legal punishments for various crimes. Both have much less sentences for most crimes. Both have much less crime. So MAYBE your theory about throwing 25years at a BOOKIE isnt the answer. MAYBE look at countries with lower crime than the US (Most of the western world) and see that MAYBE the solution to crime isnt in 25yrs for a bookie. MAYBE if youre smart you'll look and learn from what works in other countries. Like banning fucking guns, or universal healthcare etc etc etc.

But Im betting you disagree with those as well eh?

Isnt it funny. Wouldnt you think if you had a problem you'd look at what works, yet the answer is right in front of you and you not only ignore it, but you go the other way.

What funny logic.

[Five Felonies]

Yes, I am very serious. Some of us here actually think crime should be taken seriously and punished severely.

i agree with regards to crime as in things that hurt people. large scale theft, assault, rape, robbery and murder, get these types of people away from others. the idea that gambling is for the most part illegal is a joke in and of itself, these types of garbage laws put in place to "protect" people from themselves really need to go. taxing and regulating, while not perfect, has shown time and time again to be better for society. from a fiscal point of view, you eliminate a massive revenue stream from criminal groups while at the same time freeing up much needed law enforcement resources to target the real predators. despite the hard line stance that some seem to favor, there never has and never will be enough resources to go after every single little thing, so we have to put our big boy hats on and prioritize. from a personal freedom standpoint, the idea that i shouldn't be able to wager my own money on a game because it's morally objectionable to others is a total joke.

when these types of issues are discussed, we always get presented with the most extreme examples of why x, y or z shouldn't be allowed, always overlooking the fact that the vast majority of people are able to keep it together. just because johny jerkoff gambled his life away at the dog track doesn't mean we shut down the track. this holds true with booze. yeah, domestic violence, auto accidents and health complications are all serious issues worthy of attention but you should never punish the majority for the acts of a small majority. ditto for guns, just because a few crazed nutters decide to go on killing sprees shouldn't mean that we ban guns.

the criminal justice system is indeed screwed up. when you have people getting long prison sentences for non-violent gambling offenses yet certain home invasion robbers in the philly suburbs end up with probation for the mentioned crime where somebody ended up getting shot, things are fucked up real bad!

[SonnyBlackstein]

just because a few crazed nutters decide to go on killing sprees shouldn't mean that we ban guns.

There were 372 MASS shootings in the US in 2015.

Thats more than one a day.

Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015 and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

Source: BBC.

Thats 'a few nutters' huh? Forty THOUSAND gun victims a year.

Whats alot of nutters? 1000 MASS shootings a year? 250k dead. More? Throw me a number..

[Stroccos]

just because a few crazed nutters decide to go on killing sprees shouldn't mean that we ban guns.

There were 372 MASS shootings in the US in 2015.

Thats more than one a day.

Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015 and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

Source: BBC.

Thats 'a few nutters' huh? Forty THOUSAND gun victims a year.

Whats alot of nutters? 1000 MASS shootings a year? 250k dead. More? Throw me a number..

you can probably cut that in half because no body cares about the mullies shooting mullies in the ghetto. they dont count

[Five Felonies]

sonny, i get that you don't like guns, but despite whatever media outlets you listen to tell you, america is for the most part a very safe country that you can visit and enjoy without getting turned into swiss cheese. most of our cities are very safe overall, but we do have plenty of real shitty urban areas where dealing with the shitbags committing the vast overwhelming majority of the senseless killings is very tricky. they have been led to believe for generations that it's not their fault so honestly addressing and solving the problem is all but impossible in the current political climate, i'll just leave it at that.

i'm not as familiar with the gun policies in australia as i am with the uk, but guns are not "banned", the government just put a mound of red tape on the books that does nothing but cause a bunch headaches for people who wish to get involved in the shooting sports. again, i'm not as familiar with the crime rates post restrictions over there as i am with the uk, but when the uk banned most handguns, the result was a dramatic increase in gun related crimes in the years that directly followed. the rates have since plateaued and returned to levels pretty much identical to pre-ban levels, i've heard similar things over there. we have 100 million gun owners with over 300 million legal guns in their possession in america, which is a very conservative number, most think the number is actually much higher. despite small surges in the above mentioned urban wastelands, gun crime in america has been cut in half in the last 25 years despite the number of guns, and more importantly carry permits in the hands of citizens, so comparing our crime rates with that of other countries does nothing but muddy the waters by introducing an ungodly amount of hard to isolate variables. guns are here to stay and the idea of removing even a fraction of them is a pipe dream and any serious attempts by the government to try and do so would be the end for them and they know it. back to my original point, focus law enforcement resources on the people doing the killings and remove them from society for good. this can be accomplished without trampling on the rights of others, but like i posted above, it's going to be very difficult in the current political climate.

[SonnyBlackstein]

as i am with the uk, but when the uk banned most handguns, the result was a dramatic increase in gun related crimes in the years that directly followed. the rates have since plateaued and returned to levels pretty much identical to pre-ban levels,

Umm, did you just make that up?

There were 0.05 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in the five years to 2011

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_ ... ed_Kingdom


Rate of All Gun Deaths per 100,000 People
Chart
In the United Kingdom, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is

2011: 0.239
2010: 0.26
2009: 0.24
2008: 0.28
2007: 0.21
2006: 0.35
2005: 0.27
2004: 0.26
2003: 0.27
2002: 0.28
2001: 0.26
2000: 0.40
1999: 0.36
1998: 0.34
1997: 0.32
1996: 0.42

Source: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

The rate of Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US is over 10 (and for the record its under 1.0 in Australia)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate

So, FACT, guns in society = gun deaths.
Removal of guns equals lower gun deaths. Proliferation of guns = more gun deaths.
This is not an opinion. These are the numbers. You can have your own opinions you just cant have your own facts.
The rest of the first world understands this.

[Five Felonies]

i said gun crime, not gun deaths so if your #1 goal is to get rid of unwarranted deaths, i'd take up a number of different causes if i were you. i don't care what other countries are doing , they along with ours all have a number of issues that need to be worked on but my freedom is more important than a statistically irrelevant number of deaths that have no impact on my life whatsoever apart from having to constantly listen to hypocritical politicians cunt up the news feed. i stay out of newark, camden, trenton ect so my odds of getting shot and killed in nj are extremely low. the rest of the world seems to really enjoy looking down on america, but at the same time almost totally depend on us for both economic and military security. there's a reason that austrailia hasn't been turned into a giant chinese solar farm and canada into a huge chopstick factory and it has nothing to do with the armed forces of those nations. europe is beginning to find out the hard way that perhaps the ability to protect yourself isn't such a crazy idea after all, i generally feel bad that their own governments have completely sold them out and left them defenseless in the face of a tidal wave of kid raping, women abusing, stinky medieval savages. either way, i'm done with the online gun debate. you be glad you live where you do with the laws that are in place and i'll do the same!

[SonnyBlackstein]

i said gun crime, not gun deaths

Erm. Kinda the same thing.

so if your #1 goal is to get rid of unwarranted deaths, i'd take up a number of different causes if i were you.

Cause this ones too easy?

Nope, goal is not unwanted, just easily preventable.

i don't care what other countries are doing

Cause you might learn something?

they along with ours all have a number of issues that need to be worked on

Not gun crime.

but my freedom is more important than a statistically irrelevant number of deaths that have no impact on my life whatsoever

A childs right to live is more important than your right to blow off 300 rounds at a gun range for kicks. And 'freedom' is such a bullshit word. Are you free to drive at 200km/hr? Walk nude through downtown Newark? Etc etc etc Nope, cause what people do affects other people, so you have laws preventing peoples ability to negatively affect other people eg murder and rape. Guns negatively affect other people. So your 'freedom' takes a backseat. We all live in a society. Which means we dont get to do whatever the fuck we want to do 24/7 because of 'freedom'.

the rest of the world seems to really enjoy looking down on america,

Only when you do stupid shit. Like allowing guns in society.

If it helps we look down on everyone else equally on the stupid shit they do.

but at the same time almost totally depend on us for both economic and military security. there's a reason that austrailia hasn't been turned into a giant chinese solar farm

Do they teach you guys history? Or even current events?

and canada into a huge chopstick factory

Seriously do they?

Europe is beginning to find out the hard way that perhaps the ability to protect yourself isn't such a crazy idea after all, i generally feel bad that their own governments have completely sold them out and left them defenseless in the face of a tidal wave of kid raping, women abusing, stinky medieval savages.

Immigration and bronze age Neanderthal religion and cultre is the problem, not gun laws.

And dont get me wrong, NOONE hates Islam more than me. Noone.


I find it fascinating when it comes to religion or guns, you can throw every logical, rational point, every eye opening, jaw dropping, life changing statistic under the sun and people just go: Fuck all that, Im not changing my mind!
Did you ever think that if you cant argue the point without evidence, maybe youre wrong?

But I guess Ill go bang my head against another wall....

[DPG]

That this bs somewhere else please. Argue all day and neither one of you will change anything in the world or each others minds.

So please, what charge is carrying the time? Enterprise Corruption?

[Pogo The Clown]

have a look one day at crime rates in Canada and Australia. Two countries Ive lived in. Then look at legal punishments for various crimes. Both have much less sentences for most crimes. Both have much less crime. So MAYBE your theory about throwing 25years at a BOOKIE isnt the answer. MAYBE look at countries with lower crime than the US (Most of the western world).

No comparison. Australia is 90% White with almost no *******es and even less Mexicans and other mestizos. Let us ship several million of our cherished divsersity to Australia and see how fast your crime rates change. Ditto for the rest of the western world.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Yet you have thousands of post on a mob forum and seem to follow every family . I just dont believe you truly believe that.

What's your point? Yes, I follow the mob and OC in general. But I've never been one to worship these guys or root for them. Ask anyone here. I've always said mob guys, like other criminals, should get harsher punishments. So yes, I do truly believe that.

Some of us here actually think crime should be taken seriously and punished severely.

If you dont think a bookie deserves 25yrs then you dont take crime seriously.

Yawn.

often because they glorify the criminals we talk about.

If you dont think a bookie deserves 25yrs its because you glorify criminals.

Yawn.

if a bookie or other criminal knew he was going to face 25 years in prison doing hard labor, he'd probably be more inclined to seek another career.

Hence, lets whack their kids. That would DEF give them second thoughts. I mean thats the point here isnt it?

Logic Yawn.

Bit we'll never see that because too many in our society are weak minded and soft on crime. And that includes many on these forums.

Refer points one and two and thank fuck you'll never be president.

Wiseguy,
have a look one day at crime rates in Canada and Australia. Two countries Ive lived in. Then look at legal punishments for various crimes. Both have much less sentences for most crimes. Both have much less crime. So MAYBE your theory about throwing 25years at a BOOKIE isnt the answer. MAYBE look at countries with lower crime than the US (Most of the western world) and see that MAYBE the solution to crime isnt in 25yrs for a bookie. MAYBE if youre smart you'll look and learn from what works in other countries. Like banning fucking guns, or universal healthcare etc etc etc.

But Im betting you disagree with those as well eh?

Isnt it funny. Wouldnt you think if you had a problem you'd look at what works, yet the answer is right in front of you and you not only ignore it, but you go the other way.

What funny logic.

If you're arguing the US should be more like Western Europe you can save that BS right now. Western European countries are souless bastions of secularism and socialism soon to be run over by radical Islam in the years to come. Tout your universal healthcare and low gun murders all you want. The writing is on the wall for you guys.

I choose to look at a place like Singapore and the results of their draconian approach to drugs and other crime. The approach I advocate can work but most in the West are too weak willed and spineless to do it.

I should add that, while I'm typically not as race-centric as Pogo, he does bring up a point about it not exactly being an apples to apples comparison.