General Mob Questions

[B.]

Bordonaro was definitely involved with the Buffalo Family by the 1920s as Magaddino tells a story on one of his tapes about Bordonaro being involved in a situation within the Buffalo Family during that period. Bordonaro's brother lived in Buffalo and he visited often as evidenced by border crossing records. It's very likely to me he was already made in the 1920s.

As for membership, none of what you outlined would have necessarily had an impact on who was a member or when they were made a member. There are of course disputes, factionalism, etc. within a Family (overt or otherwise) and on an operational level there are all kinds of business relationships that don't directly reflect the organizational set-up. Bordonaro, Papalia, Silvestro, and even Perri all could have been members of the Buffalo Family (in additional to the latter three being Camorristi) while being involved in various business arrangements and managing tensions with Magaddino.

We don't know if Perri was a Buffalo member but even if he wasn't, nothing would have prevented Calogero Bordonaro from being a made member working with or for Perri unless his rappresentante explicitly ordered him not to and that would be done on a specific basis, not the result of a blanket rule.

[Medicated]

Does anyone happen to know if there's any formal protocol for handling introductions where the person in question isn't a made man, but is formally inducted in some other Italian OC group? I imagine that if, say, a Buffalo member is introduced to an inducted 'Ndranghetista from Toronto there's probably a need to have a way to note that rather than just calling him 'a friend of mine' or whatever.

[B.]

Does anyone happen to know if there's any formal protocol for handling introductions where the person in question isn't a made man, but is formally inducted in some other Italian OC group? I imagine that if, say, a Buffalo member is introduced to an inducted 'Ndranghetista from Toronto there's probably a need to have a way to note that rather than just calling him 'a friend of mine' or whatever.

I've never come across an example. They can't officially recognize each other as "u stessa cosa" but I'm sure it is informally communicated in some way. These guys don't meet in a vacuum so someone who knows them both would surely mention that a guy is affiliated with and important within another Italian organization.

[Roose]

What’s the status of the Stidda nowadays?

[Nurzhamba]

Is there any information about how the murder of Gerlando Sciascia was committed in detail?

[OcSleeper]

Detailed enough? (Not in a sarcastic way)
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[Nurzhamba]

Detailed enough? (Not in a sarcastic way)
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Yes, thank you, that's enough. It's amazing that they weren't caught immediately after the murder, it seems to me that it was too open.

[Ivan]

Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?

[PolackTony]

Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?

No member source ever identified “street boss” as a position. Nick Calabrese mentioned no such thing in his 2007 testimony and the 2005 Federal indictments for the Family Secrets case, which laid out the organizational structure of the Chicago LCN Family made no mention of it either. Neither did the debriefing on Chicago LCN to Congress in the ‘80s by then Chicago FBI FO SAC Ed Hegarty.

A number of LE documents used “street boss” as well as “crew boss” to denote a captain of a crew. These were largely derived from intel from non-member CIs/CWs and reflect the casual usage on the street by non-member associates and those more peripherally connected to the mob. We know from several member sources, however, that within the actual Chicago LCN organization itself, this position was in fact called “capodecina/capo/captain”, same as anywhere else.

We know that in some other Families, “street boss” typically denotes a member who serves as something like a liaison between the boss/UB and the captains, as a further layer of insulation for the admin. This isn’t a formal position, but rather a role or set of responsibilities (similar to how Families might use a member as a liaison/“messaggero” to another Family, but that isn’t a formal position within the mafia organizational structure). Chicago may well at times have used a captain to act in this manner, but if so, we have no source that tells us they called this role “street boss”.

If you are referring to stuff like when Scott B refers to Albie Vena as “the street boss of the Chicago outfit”, then you’d need to ask him where he derived this from and what exactly he means by it, as I don’t have the slightest clue.

[Ivan]

Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?

No member source ever identified “street boss” as a position. Nick Calabrese mentioned no such thing in his 2007 testimony and the 2005 Federal indictments for the Family Secrets case, which laid out the organizational structure of the Chicago LCN Family made no mention of it either. Neither did the debriefing on Chicago LCN to Congress in the ‘80s by then Chicago FBI FO SAC Ed Hegarty.

A number of LE documents used “street boss” as well as “crew boss” to denote a captain of a crew. These were largely derived from intel from non-member CIs/CWs and reflect the casual usage on the street by non-member associates and those more peripherally connected to the mob. We know from several member sources, however, that within the actual Chicago LCN organization itself, this position was in fact called “capodecina/capo/captain”, same as anywhere else.

We know that in some other Families, “street boss” typically denotes a member who serves as something like a liaison between the boss/UB and the captains, as a further layer of insulation for the admin. This isn’t a formal position, but rather a role or set of responsibilities (similar to how Families might use a member as a liaison/“messaggero” to another Family, but that isn’t a formal position within the mafia organizational structure). Chicago may well at times have used a captain to act in this manner, but if so, we have no source that tells us they called this role “street boss”.

If you are referring to stuff like when Scott B refers to Albie Vena as “the street boss of the Chicago outfit”, then you’d need to ask him where he derived this from and what exactly he means by it, as I don’t have the slightest clue.

Yeah him, and a lot of other people. Was never able to find out what it meant, if anything. Thanks.