General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[PolackTony]

Snakes that individual could also be Fred Pacente who did work in Law Enforcement and also as a loan shark. Not sure he was made but doubt he would have told us if he was...

Note the employment at Crazy Horse Too. The redacted name is almost certainly Rocky Lombardo.

[Snakes]

Snakes that individual could also be Fred Pacente who did work in Law Enforcement and also as a loan shark. Not sure he was made but doubt he would have told us if he was...

Note the employment at Crazy Horse Too. The redacted name is almost certainly Rocky Lombardo.

Rocco's restaurant (Rocky's) was a known Outfit front, too. Cerone was the silent owner, I believe.

[PolackTony]

Polack Tony and others…..

Does anyone think there were any making ceromonies during the 70s and early 80s prior to 83??
IMO I say no because otherwise people like Infelice, Marcello and the Calabrese brothers would have been made already.

We know there was one in ‘76. This one may have been large as it was presumably the first ceremony held following the elevation of Aiuppa to boss (and typically a new boss will hold a ceremony following his installation; hence a large ceremony having been held in ‘56 when Giancana was elevated and one being held in 1988, following Carlisi’s ascent; we would thus expect a significant ceremony to have been held sometime in the mid-70s). Vic “Popeye” Arrigo, who was a CI, told the FBI that he had been proposed for membership at an upcoming ceremony by Caesar DiVarco at this time, and further noted that DiVarco told him that Chicago was opening its books after having been closed “for many years” (Snakes and I have discussed this previously on the board; Arrigo doesn’t seem to have actually wound up getting inducted and it’s quite possible that this was due to the fact that he testified at this time in a FL case against some Tampa guys he was working with).

Obviously, this aligned with NYC reopening their books, though we don’t know if this was a coincidence, in that after Giancana fled the country and Battaglia was imprisoned, Chicago was in leadership crisis for several years, with Accardo and Ricca forced to step up and serve as acting bosses in the interim. For this reason, it’s likely that there had been no new members brought in for at least 10 years by ‘76.

A Milwaukee member informant confirmed that Chicago held a ceremony in ‘76 and also reported that Frank Balistrieri went down to Chicago to be introduced to the inductees (this informant *may* have been Vincent Maniaci, though we don’t know this for a fact). Unfortunately, the names of the members inducted at this time are not known. There are known members where we really don’t know when they were made who *could* well have been made at this time (Joe Andriacchi is one who comes to mind at the moment, another is Toots Caruso).

Based on the ages of guys made in '83, some of the following may have been part of 1976 ceremony. Some of them may have already been made (Cortina, Angelini, Jimmy LaPietra). but you could have said the same about Infelise and Tocco, re: 1983. Guys like Turk Torello, Joe Lombardo, and John DiFronzo can probably be ruled out due to them already have some type of leadership role by 1976. Spilotro is another guy that was almost certainly made before then based on existing evidence.

Andriacchi (possibly already made)
Angelini (probably already made)
Bastones
Mike Castaldo
Tony Centracchio
Tony Ciriginani (see below)
Cortina (probably already made)
Jimmy Cozzo (probably too early, if Cozzo was ever made at all)
James D'Antonio (possibly never made)
Ron DeAngeles
Louie Eboli
Fecarotta
Joe Grieco
Jimmy LaPietra (possibly already made)
Rocco Lombardo (see below)
Lou Marino
John Monteleone (possibly already made)
Larry Petitt (Magnafichi[?] says not made]
Joe Spa

Buonaguidi (Larry the Hood) was a possible member and Cirignani is the redacted name in the image below. If this happened as the informant suggests, Cirignani could have been made in '76.


I've talked with Tony concerning this and I feel that the individual listed below almost has to be Rocco Lombardo, other than the "formerly in law enforcement." This could have been a mistaken allusion to Rocco's time training law enforcement officers in martial arts. The year is incorrect, but this information isn't always an exact science.

Nice discussion here. I was writing off the top of my head last night, so it's good to have more names to consider (you and I have discussed some of this around the '76 ceremony, but I don't know that we really ever got into it on the board here).

I don't believe that Andriacchi was likely to have been made in the period between 1956-66 (and he was not listed by the FBI as such in the 1968 and 1973 lists, though this doesn't rule out that he was made and they just didn't know), so I strongly suspect that he was made in '76, as Nick C did not note him as one of the guys made in the 1980s ceremonies (speculative on my part).

My *guess* is that Angelini, Cortina, Spadavecchio, and at least one of the Bastones may have been made earlier, but this is again totally speculative. I will say that as of 1968, the FBI carried Angelini, Cortina, and Joe Spa as members based solely on intel from Louie Bombacino, who was almost certainly not a member himself. As of 1973, the Feds did not have additional sources for these three, and thus it is clear that none of their other sources had ID'd Angelini and Cortina as made; this was also the case for Ferriola, though, and I don't think there's any real doubt that Ferriola was made by this time. As is often the case, the FBI's rather poor Chicago intel doesn't give us enough to adequately confirm or rule these two out as made by then. None of the Bastones were ID'd as made in either '68 or '73, though this still doesn't rule them out, of course.

Thanks for the reminder on the intel for Rocky Lombardo. Nick C was not totally clear in his testimony on this, but seemed to have believed that D'Antonio was made (he was the only guy that Nick was apparently even aware of in the Lombardo crew apart from Lombardo himself and Eboli). I would personally be surprised if D'Antonio was not made, and assuming that he was, I would very much bet that him and Rocky were sponsored by Joe Lombardo around '76. The earliest that we can 100% confirm that Lombardo had been formally elevated to capo was around 1975, and it makes sense that at some point in the years after assuming that title, he would have proposed a few guys close to him. Eboli is another good candidate, though whether he would have necessarily been sponsored by Lombardo is a question for me (he was said to have personally been a favorite of Aiuppa and obviously from MP, so I have wondered if Eboli was initially made by the Carlisi crew and transferred later).

Nick C did not identify Marino as a made guy in his testimony. He did, of course, identify Marino as having been in attendance at the mock ceremony in '86, however, which for me at least strongly suggests that Marino was made by then. Given that he was not ID'd by Calabrese as having been made in '83, I have also speculated that he was a strong candidate for having been made in '76.

As of 1973, Castaldo and Jimmy Lap had not been ID'd as member by the FBI, which, again, doesn't necessarily rule them out. D'Angeles was ID'd, but only based on Lou Fratto's intel, which included a number of questionable member identifications. Grieco was ID'd by both Fratto and CG-6968, an as-yet-unknown (presumed) Chicago member source who ID'd a number of Chicago guys.

Nick C never mentioned when Fecarotta was made in his testimony, but he was evidently made before the Calabrese bros. In the '73 list, the FBI listed him as made based on the intel of 4 sources, so I I think he was *probably* already made by this time (worth noting that these were the same 4 sources that ID'd Tony Spilotro; we also know, however, that the Feds listed Frank Calabrese as made already by '73 based on 3 sources. Given the unreliability of the FBI's intel on Chicago, just as a guy not being ID'd doesn't necessarily rule him out, identifications can't always be 100% ruled in [high false positive and false negative rate]). If so, his membership predated Nick C's affiliation as an associate circa 1970.

Thanks for the reminder also on Cirignani. We know that his membership was later confirmed. The way that report is worded, however, it is unclear to me if he was actually proposed and made following Buonaguidi's death in 1975, or if he was already made with another crew and transferred to DiBella at that time. Bunoaguidi, BTW, is another guy who was only ID'd by Bombacino as of 1973, though I believe he was in fact made and this report serves to at least further support that (though, as is so often the case, we don't know for sure who the source was here). Related to this, Cirignani was closely tied to Campise. While Campise was later absolutely a soldier with the Solano crew, as we've discussed in the past, there was a bug of Prio and DiBella discussing Campise back in the 1960s and from this conversation it seems pretty clear to me that he was *not* part of their crew at this time. DiBella informed Prio that Campise had become an "avugad' with a group of guys under him; given that we otherwise have no reason to believe that Campise was ever a captain, my reading of this is that Campise was a made guy in another (unknown) crew who had a crew of associates under him. If so, I would bet that Cirignani had been one of these associates, and Campise *may have* gotten Cirignani proposed. Both men were suspects in the 1966 murder of Hunk Galiano, which I would bet had qualified Cirignani for membership (Battaglia may well have had a ceremony around this time, which would make sense, and if so, may have been the last time new members were brought in prior to ~'76). Worth noting here that in 1966, a source told the FBI that both Galiano and Campise were "underlings" of Battaglia, which could have been an indication that they were in his crew.

Monteleone was not listed on the '68 and '73 lists. And he wasn't a "sleeper" by any means. But, again, this doesn't necessarily rule out that he was already made.

Pettit and Centracchio I have no strong opinions about, really. I do believe that Pettit was made, but I have questions about both of these guys given that we have little in the way of strong intel for their earlier trajectories with the organization.

As I noted above, I also suspect that Caruso may have been made in '76. Nick C didn't specify when he was made, and it's clear that he wasn't made in the 1980s. He was in his early 30s in '76, but given his pedigree I would not be surprised if he was made at a relatively young age.

[Snakes]

I want to say that Fosco said Andriacchi was made with either DiFronzo or Magnafichi in the 60s? I can't remember, maybe Rick does. I suppose Magnafichi is another candidate for 1976, but I think the date Fosco gave for his making was prior to that, for what it's worth.

[PolackTony]

I want to say that Fosco said Andriacchi was made with either DiFronzo or Magnafichi in the 60s? I can't remember, maybe Rick does. I suppose Magnafichi is another candidate for 1976, but I think the date Fosco gave for his making was prior to that, for what it's worth.

That sounds right. We know that Andriacchi was in prison on burglary charges in the late '60s/early 70's, but this is also the period when we otherwise would assume that Chicago was unlikely to have been inducting new members anyway. My approach is that it's worth taking note of claims like this from someone like Fosco, but it isn't really conclusive evidence as it is coming second/third/ etc. hand and could be confused or just wrong.

[Snakes]

I want to say that Fosco said Andriacchi was made with either DiFronzo or Magnafichi in the 60s? I can't remember, maybe Rick does. I suppose Magnafichi is another candidate for 1976, but I think the date Fosco gave for his making was prior to that, for what it's worth.

That sounds right. We know that Andriacchi was in prison on burglary charges in the late '60s/early 70's, but this is also the period when we otherwise would assume that Chicago was unlikely to have been inducting new members anyway. My approach is that it's worth taking note of claims like this from someone like Fosco, but it isn't really conclusive evidence as it is coming second/third/ etc. hand and could be confused or just wrong.

I'd think his estimation of when Magnafichi and Messino were made would be pretty accurate, and probably even DiFronzo, but less so Andriacchi.

[chin_gigante]

Fosco wrote that Magnafichi was made 'shortly after' the Giancana murder. That would make him a contender for the 1976 ceremony: https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... nafichi/3/.

Fosco also has Torello being made by Aiuppa earlier in the 1970s:

when Joey O was about to make Turk a Capo, he almost forgot that Turk was not made. Joey immediately ‘made’ Turk and quickly installed him as Capo...It was assumed by the bosses that Turk was ‘made’ when he was not. It came out when he was about to be installed as Capo.

https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... -illinois/

Fosco says he learned about Torello's induction from Jimmy LaPietra and Willie Messino. Fosco overheard LaPietra telling someone about it while they were in the same room. Fosco then discussed this with the person LaPietra had been speaking to. Fosco also says he later discussed it with Messino 'much deeper'.

[Snakes]

Fosco wrote that Magnafichi was made 'shortly after' the Giancana murder. That would make him a contender for the 1976 ceremony: https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... nafichi/3/.

Fosco also has Torello being made by Aiuppa earlier in the 1970s:

when Joey O was about to make Turk a Capo, he almost forgot that Turk was not made. Joey immediately ‘made’ Turk and quickly installed him as Capo...It was assumed by the bosses that Turk was ‘made’ when he was not. It came out when he was about to be installed as Capo.

https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... -illinois/

Fosco says he learned about Torello's induction from Jimmy LaPietra and Willie Messino. Fosco overheard LaPietra telling someone about it while they were in the same room. Fosco then discussed this with the person LaPietra had been speaking to. Fosco also says he later discussed it with Messino 'much deeper'.

Thanks for finding this, I had thought Fosco said Magnafichi was made in the 70s. Do you know when he said DiFronzo was made? I think he said 1960s.

The thing with Turk I always found crazy, but it makes sense when you consider how much flux and turmoil the Outfit leadership was in around that time, so Aiuppa not knowing he was made isn't a stretch. Seeing as how Ferriola was made in '56, I don't blame him for being upset at Turk getting the Buccieri crew ahead of him, especially as he wasn't even made at the time they seemingly made their decision. You could probably say the same for Angelo LaPietra.

[PolackTony]

Fosco wrote that Magnafichi was made 'shortly after' the Giancana murder. That would make him a contender for the 1976 ceremony: https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... nafichi/3/.

Fosco also has Torello being made by Aiuppa earlier in the 1970s:

when Joey O was about to make Turk a Capo, he almost forgot that Turk was not made. Joey immediately ‘made’ Turk and quickly installed him as Capo...It was assumed by the bosses that Turk was ‘made’ when he was not. It came out when he was about to be installed as Capo.

https://www.americannewspost.com/joseph ... -illinois/

Fosco says he learned about Torello's induction from Jimmy LaPietra and Willie Messino. Fosco overheard LaPietra telling someone about it while they were in the same room. Fosco then discussed this with the person LaPietra had been speaking to. Fosco also says he later discussed it with Messino 'much deeper'.

Thanks for posting the Magnafichi thing. There have been so many different things that came up on ANP over the years that I sometimes forget who posted what when.

I can totally see Magnafichi having been made in ‘76, and as Snakes noted above, I believe that Lee was also a person that Fosco is/was particularly well-positioned to have had insight into.

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

[chin_gigante]

Thanks for finding this, I had thought Fosco said Magnafichi was made in the 70s. Do you know when he said DiFronzo was made? I think he said 1960s.

I don't think I have a note of Fosco saying when DiFronzo was made. Closest I have is DiFronzo told Fosco that Joe Gagliano was the one who 'brought him into the picture'.

[chin_gigante]

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

Thanks, I didn't know that. An ID direct from a member source is compelling.

[PolackTony]

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

Thanks, I didn't know that. An ID direct from a member source is compelling.

For sure, and the personal context of Torello is also important here, in addition to Gurera's value as an informant (Gurera identified a number of other Chicago members).

I've discussed Torello's background a bit before on the Chicago "origins" thread. His father, James Torello Sr (surname originally Tarillo), was from KC and moved to Chicago in 1930 to marry Turk's mother, Francesca DeMaio (his family was from Vaglio Basilicata, Potenza, while hers were from Ruve del Monte, Potenza). There were many close ties between the tight-knit Vagliese colonies in KC and Chicago, and Torello had cousins on the KC PD as well as relatives who were members of the San Faustino di Vaglio Society in KC. That Torello Jr very likely had criminal ties to KC is also suggested by the fact that he was arrested in MO in the 1950s along with some guys from Taylor St and Cicero for burglary and bank robbery charges (including Infelice and suspected Chicago member Salvatore DeRosa; Turk lived as a kid at Polk and Marshfield in the Taylor St "Patch").

I believe that I've posted this before, but Torello Sr was himself a convicted murderer, sentenced in 1938 to a life sentence in the Joliet pen for the armed robbery and murder of an official of a Westside Jewish mutual aid society.

Given his personal and likely criminal ties to KC, the fact that Turk was identified as a member specifically by Gurera is worth noting, as these kinds of contextual clues are important.

[Snakes]

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

Thanks, I didn't know that. An ID direct from a member source is compelling.

For sure, and the personal context of Torello is also important here, in addition to Gurera's value as an informant (Gurera identified a number of other Chicago members).

I've discussed Torello's background a bit before on the Chicago "origins" thread. His father, James Torello Sr (surname originally Tarillo), was from KC and moved to Chicago in 1930 to marry Turk's mother, Francesca DeMaio (his family was from Vaglio Basilicata, Potenza, while hers were from Ruve del Monte, Potenza). There were many close ties between the tight-knit Vagliese colonies in KC and Chicago, and Torello had cousins on the KC PD as well as relatives who were members of the San Faustino di Vaglio Society in KC. That Torello Jr very likely had criminal ties to KC is also suggested by the fact that he was arrested in MO in the 1950s along with some guys from Taylor St and Cicero for burglary and bank robbery charges (including Infelice and suspected Chicago member Salvatore DeRosa; Turk lived as a kid at Polk and Marshfield in the Taylor St "Patch").

I believe that I've posted this before, but Torello Sr was himself a convicted murderer, sentenced in 1938 to a life sentence in the Joliet pen for the armed robbery and murder of an official of a Westside Jewish mutual aid society.

Given his personal and likely criminal ties to KC, the fact that Turk was identified as a member specifically by Gurera is worth noting, as these kinds of contextual clues are important.

There is a file *somewhere* out there which has a list of members from the 60s and Turk was on there. The other guys seemed to be inarguably members for the most part, so I wonder if Fosco didn't know the context of the discussion of Turk's making coming secondhanded.

[PolackTony]

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

Thanks, I didn't know that. An ID direct from a member source is compelling.

For sure, and the personal context of Torello is also important here, in addition to Gurera's value as an informant (Gurera identified a number of other Chicago members).

I've discussed Torello's background a bit before on the Chicago "origins" thread. His father, James Torello Sr (surname originally Tarillo), was from KC and moved to Chicago in 1930 to marry Turk's mother, Francesca DeMaio (his family was from Vaglio Basilicata, Potenza, while hers were from Ruve del Monte, Potenza). There were many close ties between the tight-knit Vagliese colonies in KC and Chicago, and Torello had cousins on the KC PD as well as relatives who were members of the San Faustino di Vaglio Society in KC. That Torello Jr very likely had criminal ties to KC is also suggested by the fact that he was arrested in MO in the 1950s along with some guys from Taylor St and Cicero for burglary and bank robbery charges (including Infelice and suspected Chicago member Salvatore DeRosa; Turk lived as a kid at Polk and Marshfield in the Taylor St "Patch").

I believe that I've posted this before, but Torello Sr was himself a convicted murderer, sentenced in 1938 to a life sentence in the Joliet pen for the armed robbery and murder of an official of a Westside Jewish mutual aid society.

Given his personal and likely criminal ties to KC, the fact that Turk was identified as a member specifically by Gurera is worth noting, as these kinds of contextual clues are important.

There is a file *somewhere* out there which has a list of members from the 60s and Turk was on there. The other guys seemed to be inarguably members for the most part, so I wonder if Fosco didn't know the context of the discussion of Turk's making coming secondhanded.

Given that we have a verified member source for Torello, I have to conclude that Fosco's account was probably incorrect. Whether he was explicitly told an erroneous story, misunderstood something, or whatever else may have happened, I'd have no idea.

Gurera otherwise mainly identified guys whose membership is 100% confirmed via other sources also, including Aiuppa, Cerone, Caifano, Frank Zizzo, DiBella, Dom Nuccio, Nick Palermo, "Joey Glimco" Primavera, Jasper Campise, Frankie Fratto. Wasn't like he was just pulling names out his ass. Campise was also a guy with close ties to KC (specifically, personal connections to Nick Civella).

[Snakes]

I think that we’ve probably discussed the Torello thing before, but there’s a problem with Fosco’s account. Torello was ID’d as a member by both Lou Fratto and KC member Joe Gurera in the 60s. While Fratto was a problematic source, Gurera was a well-verified member informant with connections to both Milwaukee and Chicago, and his identification of Torello as a member leads me to conclude that Torello was *very likely* made during the Giancana era. It may well also be relevant here that Torello had relatives in KC and I believe also connections to the outfit there himself (ie, Torello was one of the Chicago guys that Gurera was likely at a higher probability of knowing).

Thanks, I didn't know that. An ID direct from a member source is compelling.

For sure, and the personal context of Torello is also important here, in addition to Gurera's value as an informant (Gurera identified a number of other Chicago members).

I've discussed Torello's background a bit before on the Chicago "origins" thread. His father, James Torello Sr (surname originally Tarillo), was from KC and moved to Chicago in 1930 to marry Turk's mother, Francesca DeMaio (his family was from Vaglio Basilicata, Potenza, while hers were from Ruve del Monte, Potenza). There were many close ties between the tight-knit Vagliese colonies in KC and Chicago, and Torello had cousins on the KC PD as well as relatives who were members of the San Faustino di Vaglio Society in KC. That Torello Jr very likely had criminal ties to KC is also suggested by the fact that he was arrested in MO in the 1950s along with some guys from Taylor St and Cicero for burglary and bank robbery charges (including Infelice and suspected Chicago member Salvatore DeRosa; Turk lived as a kid at Polk and Marshfield in the Taylor St "Patch").

I believe that I've posted this before, but Torello Sr was himself a convicted murderer, sentenced in 1938 to a life sentence in the Joliet pen for the armed robbery and murder of an official of a Westside Jewish mutual aid society.

Given his personal and likely criminal ties to KC, the fact that Turk was identified as a member specifically by Gurera is worth noting, as these kinds of contextual clues are important.

There is a file *somewhere* out there which has a list of members from the 60s and Turk was on there. The other guys seemed to be inarguably members for the most part, so I wonder if Fosco didn't know the context of the discussion of Turk's making coming secondhanded.

Given that we have a verified member source for Torello, I have to conclude that Fosco's account was probably incorrect. Whether he was explicitly told an erroneous story, misunderstood something, or whatever else may have happened, I'd have no idea.

Gurera otherwise mainly identified guys whose membership is 100% confirmed via other sources also, including Aiuppa, Cerone, Caifano, Frank Zizzo, DiBella, Dom Nuccio, Nick Palermo, "Joey Glimco" Primavera, Jasper Campise, Frankie Fratto. Wasn't like he was just pulling names out his ass. Campise was also a guy with close ties to KC (specifically, personal connections to Nick Civella).

Yeah, I forgot to mention, but I think Gurera provided the names for that list but I guess you figured that out.