General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[PolackTony]

Here’s another interesting Hanhardt familial connection:



Another of Bill Hanhardt’s maternal aunts, Josephine DiGilio, married Anthony Devoney (originally Di Vono), born in KC to parents from Mezzojuso and Ciminna. One of their daughters, Doris Devoney, who was thus Bill Hanhardt’s first cousin, married Felix Priola, grandson of longtime Chicago member Giuseppe Priola and nephew of Rockford member Phil Priola.

[Snakes]

Most notable thing from that video yet to be discussed is a Kangol-type hat makes another appearance on an Outfit guy

[NorthBuffalo]

Polack one of the guys who I talk to about Chicago thinks Handhardt's mother's uncle was Tony Capezio, the boss of John De Biase and the original grand avenue crew. Any connections there?

Also is this the first made Chicago member on YouTube beyond this guy Rovito ? Its interesting Bellavia began as a thief with Scalise but seems to have taken a much different path. DeLaurentis it always sounds like ran clubs and gambling operations as he was coming up. Interesting how all of the guys in that crew had different backgrounds (I know Infelise was a thief as well).

[Patrickgold]

What the fuck is a "Gabeet"?

“Ha Capito”.

Awesome, thank you.

Sir: I have heard that "Negall" (Joe Ferriola) is a corruption of "(Charles) De Gaulle". I have trouble believing this. Is it correct?

Bellavia to my eyes and ears comes across as intelligent and articulate in that video. (Enthusiasm for Sudoku expressed at the end reinforced by "intelligent" perception -- dumb people don't do number game shit for fun.) Antiliar's source said (as of 2022ish) he was "heavy in the street" in spite of being 150 years old.

Nagel is a reference to the street that he lived on in Chicago

[PolackTony]

What the fuck is a "Gabeet"?

“Ha Capito”.

Awesome, thank you.

Sir: I have heard that "Negall" (Joe Ferriola) is a corruption of "(Charles) De Gaulle". I have trouble believing this. Is it correct?

Bellavia to my eyes and ears comes across as intelligent and articulate in that video. (Enthusiasm for Sudoku expressed at the end reinforced by "intelligent" perception -- dumb people don't do number game shit for fun.) Antiliar's source said (as of 2022ish) he was "heavy in the street" in spite of being 150 years old.

Nagel is a reference to the street that he lived on in Chicago

Did someone make this claim? I don't think it's correct.

A. Nagle Ave (6343 West, mainly on the Far NW Side of Chicago with a small section on the Far SW Side) is pronounced like "bagel". Ferriola's nickname is usually rendered by the press and LE as "Negall" or "Nagall". Frank Cullotta pronounced it like "nuh-GALL".

B. When did Joe Feriola ever live on Nagle Ave? The Ferriolas were from Taylor St. As a kid and into his youth in the 1940s Joe Ferriola lived on the 900 block of S Hoyne (between Arthington and Taylor). By the late 40s/early 50s, Joe Ferriola had an address in the Taylor St Patch on the 2300 block of W Grenshaw (btwn Claremont and Western), while his parents had moved from the city to S 61st Ave in Cicero. By the late 50s and into the 1960s, Ferriola was living in Riverside (he later moved to Westchester IL and then to Oak Brook). By the 1960s the FBI had already recorded that his nickname was "Joe Negall" as well as "Joe Nick".

The Feds, as was often the case, didn't understand what they were hearing and tried to make sense of the nickname, even, humorously, rendering it as "De Gaule" in some reports. "nuh-GOAL", however, is just the Napolitan' pronunciation of "Nicola". As I've written before, Ferriola's father was Nicola "Nick" Ferraiolo. In old neighborhoods like Taylor St -- where practically every boy was a Joey, Johnny, Tony, Nicky, etc -- they used to often call kids by their dad's name to distinguish them from each other and these often stuck as personal/familial nicknames.

[PolackTony]

Polack one of the guys who I talk to about Chicago thinks Handhardt's mother's uncle was Tony Capezio, the boss of John De Biase and the original grand avenue crew. Any connections there?

Also is this the first made Chicago member on YouTube beyond this guy Rovito ? Its interesting Bellavia began as a thief with Scalise but seems to have taken a much different path. DeLaurentis it always sounds like ran clubs and gambling operations as he was coming up. Interesting how all of the guys in that crew had different backgrounds (I know Infelise was a thief as well).

They were teefs. Diamond teefs.

Regarding Capezio, I haven't seen any familial links, whether via blood or marriage, between Capezio and Hanhardt's mother's family, the Di Gilios. If there was one, either it's not evident to me or it was more distant.

They were paesani, however, and it can often be the case that families with no actual familial tie but strong social/compaesano connections will refer to each other as "zio", cugino" etc., like symbolic family. The Capezios were from Muro Lucano, Potenza, Basiciliata, the hometown also of the Cerones and Aloisios, as well as Genovese member Dominic "Swatss Mulligan" Ciaffone. While Chicago has a large population of Lucani from Potenza province, very few of them lived in Little Sicily, where the DiGilios settled. It would thus be unsurprising if the DiGilios had some close connections to paesani living in the nearby Grand Ave Patch.

[Patrickgold]

What the fuck is a "Gabeet"?

“Ha Capito”.

Awesome, thank you.

Sir: I have heard that "Negall" (Joe Ferriola) is a corruption of "(Charles) De Gaulle". I have trouble believing this. Is it correct?

Bellavia to my eyes and ears comes across as intelligent and articulate in that video. (Enthusiasm for Sudoku expressed at the end reinforced by "intelligent" perception -- dumb people don't do number game shit for fun.) Antiliar's source said (as of 2022ish) he was "heavy in the street" in spite of being 150 years old.

Nagel is a reference to the street that he lived on in Chicago

Did someone make this claim? I don't think it's correct.

A. Nagle Ave (6343 West, mainly on the Far NW Side of Chicago with a small section on the Far SW Side) is pronounced like "bagel". Ferriola's nickname is usually rendered by the press and LE as "Negall" or "Nagall". Frank Cullotta pronounced it like "nuh-GALL".

B. When did Joe Feriola ever live on Nagle Ave? The Ferriolas were from Taylor St. As a kid and into his youth in the 1940s Joe Ferriola lived on the 900 block of S Hoyne (between Arthington and Taylor). By the late 40s/early 50s, Joe Ferriola had an address in the Taylor St Patch on the 2300 block of W Grenshaw (btwn Claremont and Western), while his parents had moved from the city to S 61st Ave in Cicero. By the late 50s and into the 1960s, Ferriola was living in Riverside (he later moved to Westchester IL and then to Oak Brook). By the 1960s the FBI had already recorded that his nickname was "Joe Negall" as well as "Joe Nick".

The Feds, as was often the case, didn't understand what they were hearing and tried to make sense of the nickname, even, humorously, rendering it as "De Gaule" in some reports. "nuh-GOAL", however, is just the Napolitan' pronunciation of "Nicola". As I've written before, Ferriola's father was Nicola "Nick" Ferraiolo. In old neighborhoods like Taylor St -- where practically every boy was a Joey, Johnny, Tony, Nicky, etc -- they used to often call kids by their dad's name to distinguish them from each other and these often stuck as personal/familial nicknames.

I remember being told that. I was never around him but knew people that were. I guess the spelling is a little different. I also heard from someone that was around him that it had to do with Nagel being slang for Nicky. No idea if that’s true. Same with Bellavia. They use to call him Gaby and Gabeets was slang for that. No idea though

[PolackTony]

What the fuck is a "Gabeet"?

“Ha Capito”.

Awesome, thank you.

Sir: I have heard that "Negall" (Joe Ferriola) is a corruption of "(Charles) De Gaulle". I have trouble believing this. Is it correct?

Bellavia to my eyes and ears comes across as intelligent and articulate in that video. (Enthusiasm for Sudoku expressed at the end reinforced by "intelligent" perception -- dumb people don't do number game shit for fun.) Antiliar's source said (as of 2022ish) he was "heavy in the street" in spite of being 150 years old.

Nagel is a reference to the street that he lived on in Chicago

Did someone make this claim? I don't think it's correct.

A. Nagle Ave (6343 West, mainly on the Far NW Side of Chicago with a small section on the Far SW Side) is pronounced like "bagel". Ferriola's nickname is usually rendered by the press and LE as "Negall" or "Nagall". Frank Cullotta pronounced it like "nuh-GALL".

B. When did Joe Feriola ever live on Nagle Ave? The Ferriolas were from Taylor St. As a kid and into his youth in the 1940s Joe Ferriola lived on the 900 block of S Hoyne (between Arthington and Taylor). By the late 40s/early 50s, Joe Ferriola had an address in the Taylor St Patch on the 2300 block of W Grenshaw (btwn Claremont and Western), while his parents had moved from the city to S 61st Ave in Cicero. By the late 50s and into the 1960s, Ferriola was living in Riverside (he later moved to Westchester IL and then to Oak Brook). By the 1960s the FBI had already recorded that his nickname was "Joe Negall" as well as "Joe Nick".

The Feds, as was often the case, didn't understand what they were hearing and tried to make sense of the nickname, even, humorously, rendering it as "De Gaule" in some reports. "nuh-GOAL", however, is just the Napolitan' pronunciation of "Nicola". As I've written before, Ferriola's father was Nicola "Nick" Ferraiolo. In old neighborhoods like Taylor St -- where practically every boy was a Joey, Johnny, Tony, Nicky, etc -- they used to often call kids by their dad's name to distinguish them from each other and these often stuck as personal/familial nicknames.

I remember being told that. I was never around him but knew people that were. I guess the spelling is a little different. I also heard from someone that was around him that it had to do with Nagel being slang for Nicky. No idea if that’s true. Same with Bellavia. They use to call him Gaby and Gabeets was slang for that. No idea though

My guess is that, similar to the FBI, there were some guys who might not have understood what it meant and thus came up with their own theory. Given that Ferriola was also called “Joe Nick”, it seems pretty clear to me that “Negall” was just Nicola in dialect/Ital-American vernacular pronunciation.

Similar with “gabeet”, which is dialect pronunciation of “capito” (past participle of capiscere, “to understand”). Common old school Ital-American interjection where someone will be talking and they throw in “capito” (“understood?”) or “ha capito” (“have you understood?”), same as they throw in “capisce” (ie gabeesh, “you understand?”). Like when somebody has a verbal tic where they say “understand” or “you know” in English all the time when they talk.

Eg, “So I was talking to Nicky about Joey, a gabeet, and dis guy told me…”.

[Ivan]

This showed up in my YouTube recommendations. It's the only version of the Inendino wiretap on YouTube that doesn't have a bunch of other stuff added to it (which strikes me as pointless, given that you can't improve on perfection). There was another upload of it without extra stuff but it got taken down a few months back. It's under a very "generic" title and has few views, which is tragic IMHO. As this recording is very historically, culturally, and aesthetically (you heard me) important I'm posting it here so you guys can all bookmark it. I, of course, have added it to my workout playlist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOIHfG6G17k

[PolackTony]

“capito” (past participle of capiscere, to understand”).

Typo. The infinitive is capire.

[funkster]

I think you’re correct on the “gabeet” context tony.


In random news that’s not important, the new apple show “presumed innocent” with Jake gyllenhal is set in Chicago and in one of the episode the characters are in a bar having drinks and the outside is totally Richards with the name changed on the sign using special effects lol

[Tonyd621]

I think you’re correct on the “gabeet” context tony.


In random news that’s not important, the new apple show “presumed innocent” with Jake gyllenhal is set in Chicago and in one of the episode the characters are in a bar having drinks and the outside is totally Richards with the name changed on the sign using special effects lol

That's a great show.

[funkster]

I think you’re correct on the “gabeet” context tony.


In random news that’s not important, the new apple show “presumed innocent” with Jake gyllenhal is set in Chicago and in one of the episode the characters are in a bar having drinks and the outside is totally Richards with the name changed on the sign using special effects lol

That's a great show.

My wife bugged me to watch it, i thought it would be another dumb crime thriller but I am totally hooked.

[Ivan]

Happy 4th of July to all who have contributed to this great thread! God bless America!

[Patrickgold]

Looks like another shooting at one of the Italian social clubs on Addison st in Chicago. I heard a lot things about that place including lots of gambling and also prostitution going on in there. No idea what happened this time but here is a snippet that I got off Facebook.

Update:

The owner of the club was supposedly arrested. Should be made public in the near future.