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ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
When you say their status is debatable, do you mean, you don't believe they have recognition from Reggio?

If so, that is pretty interesting, as there is an upcoming book on Nicolino Grande Aracri and the Ndrangheta of Crotone. It has been said that he " challenged the authority of Reggio", though in what way I have no idea.
It has also been stated thst Aracri was the #2 of Ndrangheta in Calabria, which kinda blew me away.
Not a Gio Tauro clan, not Plati, Siderno, or Vibo, or even San Luca, but a boss from Crotone. It has me VERY interested in Crotone. Also, I've been blown away that of all the clans from the most known provinces, it's Crotone that gets a presence ( either ndrine or full locale) in New York.

Where would you place Crotone in the Ndrangheta hierarchy?
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PolackTony wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:05 pm Ciao Dottoressa! As others have already said, we are very glad to have you here on the BHF.

I had posted recently in another thread about 1970s references to the Sidernese 'ndrangheta network having an apparent 'ndrina or locale in Chicago, as it did with other US cities, and a 1993 FBI report that cited Italian LE as claiming a redacted name as "head of Chicago-area 'Ndrangheta operations", with ties to Ontario and Albany.

I was wondering if you had any insight into this, or if you have happened to have come across any references to 'ndranghetisti with connections to Chicago in your own research. I have no idea at the moment the names of the individuals who may have been involved in this; while I've discussed a number of Calabresi in Chicago involved in narcotics and homicides in Chicago in the 1980s (and also connected to the local LCN Family), these men were all from Catanzaro province and I'm unsure if they had any connection to the alleged Siderno organization there.
PolackTony wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:53 pm To post an excerpt again from the FBI's 1993 report on Italian Organized Crime in Illinois. The report cites Italian LE intel identifying a redacted name as head of "Chicago-area 'Ndrangheta operations", with ties to the Stalteri 'ndrina in Ontario and a redacted name in the Albany, NY, area:

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While I still have no idea who the men involved in the Chicago 'Ndrangheta, including the redacted figure here, actually were, it turns out that there was a deeper context to the 1993 claim (thanks to Motorfab for bringing this latter info to my attention).

In 1976, Canadian LE managed to flip a Toronto-based member of the Sidernese 'Ndrangheta. Interviews with this informant helped to confirm and flesh out other sources, and documented how the "Siderno group" had established formal locali with "branches" in a number of cities in both Canada and the US, including Chicago, in the years since 1958. As such, Chicago was named as one of the hubs of international activity by the Sidernese 'Ndrangheta, including narcotics, human trafficking, counterfeiting, contract killings, and infiltration of local businesses, stretching from Siderno Marino, Reggio Calabria, to North America and Australia, and including ties to American LCN Families. A 1977 Newsweek article (1977/06/19) discussed the then-current state of intel on the Sidernese mafia. Though "membership" in areas like NYC (Queens, Brooklyn, and Suffolk County) and Miami was estimated in the range of 150 to 250 "members", no further detail was provided on the Sidernese Chicago "branch", apart from its existence:

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Excerpts from an interview with the above-noted 1976 informant from the Toronto locale were reproduced in the 1985 book Mob Rule: Inside the Canadian Mafia, by James Dubro (the informant was given the pseudonym "Joe"). Again, no detail is given about Chicago apart from confirming that Chicago had a "cell" of the North American network of the "Italian Honoured Society" (as "Joe" referred to it) answering to Carlo Archino in Siderno Marino. "Joe" also claimed that the locale in Albany was headed by relatives of the Archino family (the surname in Siderno is originally spelled Archinà).

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I suspect that the redacted Albany name cited in the 1993 FBI report was one of the Archinos, possibly Frank Archino (though he was arrested in 1977 and apparently admitted his membership in the Albany locale to LE, I'm not sure if he was considered an outright rat) or his brother Joseph Archino, a longtime Albany tavern owner and member of LIUNA Local 190 who died in 2008 (the Archinos had addresses in both Albany and neighboring Altamont, as the redacted name Albany-area name did in the 1993 report). Given the sparse info at hand, it is unclear to me if the Chicago "branch" of the Siderno Group was (is?) its own locale, or an 'ndrina under the Albany or another locale.

Obviously, the Siderno Group and relevant LE investigations will be well-known to those who focus on 'Ndrangheta networks in North America and Australia, but the fact that they also had a Chicago "branch" seems to have largely escaped notice. Hopefully, someone else will be in the position to add some further detail or insight here.
Pretty interesting stuff. Let me ask you.... you think these people might be some of your big time mob connected grocers/ produce merchants?

Maybe they were off the radar because they were primarily legit?

Also, in reference to Siderno in America, America has always meant Canada.

Did this Archina family/clan go completely legit? I wonder if they intermarried with any of the contemporary Siderno clans today? Crupi? Macri? Commisso? Figliomeni? Rumbo? Muia?

Would they have had their own ndrine within the locale? Or part of another clan's ndrine?

Are they still around today?
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ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bonavonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
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CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bovonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
Are you thinking of the concept of ’ndrine bastarde here? As I understand it, “Bastard clans” that function outside of Italy without formal recognition from the mother locale in Calabria.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:11 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bovonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
Are you thinking of the concept of ’ndrine bastarde here? As I understand it, “Bastard clans” that function outside of Italy without formal recognition from the mother locale in Calabria.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. I forgot they have a formal name for the bastard locales,... lmao
It's kinda funny when you think of it....
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:11 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bovonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
Are you thinking of the concept of ’ndrine bastarde here? As I understand it, “Bastard clans” that function outside of Italy without formal recognition from the mother locale in Calabria.
This is gold. There was a famous “La Bastarda” clan that started in Melbourne during the Market War and ended with Matteo Medici shooting his own father in the back of the head in order to regain affiliation with the locale.

What’s also fascinating is the overlapping surnames. Macri is big in Perth, Crupi, etc. Where the Sidernese have their biggest presence.

The concentric ring theory makes a ton of sense.
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CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:22 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
When you say their status is debatable, do you mean, you don't believe they have recognition from Reggio?

If so, that is pretty interesting, as there is an upcoming book on Nicolino Grande Aracri and the Ndrangheta of Crotone. It has been said that he " challenged the authority of Reggio", though in what way I have no idea.
It has also been stated thst Aracri was the #2 of Ndrangheta in Calabria, which kinda blew me away.
Not a Gio Tauro clan, not Plati, Siderno, or Vibo, or even San Luca, but a boss from Crotone. It has me VERY interested in Crotone. Also, I've been blown away that of all the clans from the most known provinces, it's Crotone that gets a presence ( either ndrine or full locale) in New York.

Where would you place Crotone in the Ndrangheta hierarchy?
It has been ascertained juridically and it's kind of a given informally, that Nicolino Grande Aracri created its own Provincia-like structure. The Crimine of Cutro was separate from Reggio and is currently moved to Cirò - nearby - under the Farao-Marincola leadership. The crimine of Cutro/cirò in the mind of Nicolino Grande Aracri encompasses the provinces of Crotone and Cosenza and Catanzaro, which is not nothing. Indeed, it's a whole other story than the 'ndrangheta in Reggio, they are very similar structures, but with no overarching strategy
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CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:35 pm
PolackTony wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:05 pm Ciao Dottoressa! As others have already said, we are very glad to have you here on the BHF.

I had posted recently in another thread about 1970s references to the Sidernese 'ndrangheta network having an apparent 'ndrina or locale in Chicago, as it did with other US cities, and a 1993 FBI report that cited Italian LE as claiming a redacted name as "head of Chicago-area 'Ndrangheta operations", with ties to Ontario and Albany.

I was wondering if you had any insight into this, or if you have happened to have come across any references to 'ndranghetisti with connections to Chicago in your own research. I have no idea at the moment the names of the individuals who may have been involved in this; while I've discussed a number of Calabresi in Chicago involved in narcotics and homicides in Chicago in the 1980s (and also connected to the local LCN Family), these men were all from Catanzaro province and I'm unsure if they had any connection to the alleged Siderno organization there.
PolackTony wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:53 pm To post an excerpt again from the FBI's 1993 report on Italian Organized Crime in Illinois. The report cites Italian LE intel identifying a redacted name as head of "Chicago-area 'Ndrangheta operations", with ties to the Stalteri 'ndrina in Ontario and a redacted name in the Albany, NY, area:

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While I still have no idea who the men involved in the Chicago 'Ndrangheta, including the redacted figure here, actually were, it turns out that there was a deeper context to the 1993 claim (thanks to Motorfab for bringing this latter info to my attention).

In 1976, Canadian LE managed to flip a Toronto-based member of the Sidernese 'Ndrangheta. Interviews with this informant helped to confirm and flesh out other sources, and documented how the "Siderno group" had established formal locali with "branches" in a number of cities in both Canada and the US, including Chicago, in the years since 1958. As such, Chicago was named as one of the hubs of international activity by the Sidernese 'Ndrangheta, including narcotics, human trafficking, counterfeiting, contract killings, and infiltration of local businesses, stretching from Siderno Marino, Reggio Calabria, to North America and Australia, and including ties to American LCN Families. A 1977 Newsweek article (1977/06/19) discussed the then-current state of intel on the Sidernese mafia. Though "membership" in areas like NYC (Queens, Brooklyn, and Suffolk County) and Miami was estimated in the range of 150 to 250 "members", no further detail was provided on the Sidernese Chicago "branch", apart from its existence:

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Excerpts from an interview with the above-noted 1976 informant from the Toronto locale were reproduced in the 1985 book Mob Rule: Inside the Canadian Mafia, by James Dubro (the informant was given the pseudonym "Joe"). Again, no detail is given about Chicago apart from confirming that Chicago had a "cell" of the North American network of the "Italian Honoured Society" (as "Joe" referred to it) answering to Carlo Archino in Siderno Marino. "Joe" also claimed that the locale in Albany was headed by relatives of the Archino family (the surname in Siderno is originally spelled Archinà).

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I suspect that the redacted Albany name cited in the 1993 FBI report was one of the Archinos, possibly Frank Archino (though he was arrested in 1977 and apparently admitted his membership in the Albany locale to LE, I'm not sure if he was considered an outright rat) or his brother Joseph Archino, a longtime Albany tavern owner and member of LIUNA Local 190 who died in 2008 (the Archinos had addresses in both Albany and neighboring Altamont, as the redacted name Albany-area name did in the 1993 report). Given the sparse info at hand, it is unclear to me if the Chicago "branch" of the Siderno Group was (is?) its own locale, or an 'ndrina under the Albany or another locale.

Obviously, the Siderno Group and relevant LE investigations will be well-known to those who focus on 'Ndrangheta networks in North America and Australia, but the fact that they also had a Chicago "branch" seems to have largely escaped notice. Hopefully, someone else will be in the position to add some further detail or insight here.
Pretty interesting stuff. Let me ask you.... you think these people might be some of your big time mob connected grocers/ produce merchants?

Maybe they were off the radar because they were primarily legit?

Also, in reference to Siderno in America, America has always meant Canada.

Did this Archina family/clan go completely legit? I wonder if they intermarried with any of the contemporary Siderno clans today? Crupi? Macri? Commisso? Figliomeni? Rumbo? Muia?

Would they have had their own ndrine within the locale? Or part of another clan's ndrine?

Are they still around today?

it's not a surname that is relevant today, which is not surprising. I wouldn't underestimate the fact that some of the earlier migrants did indeed go legit, as mafias is not (just) a mindset, is indeed a choice.

Siderno has meant Canada for sure, but also NY, even today, even in the five families.
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CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bonavonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
The Bonavotas are an old family and they had the recognition from Reggio, but today they oppose the Mancuso's who rule the territory. This is the problem. You might like to read this that I wrote about Vibo - https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 9-y#citeas

Indeed concentric Circles helps to think of their complexity.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:11 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bovonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
Are you thinking of the concept of ’ndrine bastarde here? As I understand it, “Bastard clans” that function outside of Italy without formal recognition from the mother locale in Calabria.
The concept of ndrine bastarde exists where there are ndrine non bastarde, who therefore recognise those not recognised if that makes sense. But yes indeed, ndrine-like structure exist everywhere with zero ties to Calabria or the ndrangheta.
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AustraliaSteve wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:37 pm
PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:11 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:42 pm
ANNAESSE wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:44 am I would assume it's the usual "seeking business opportunity" https://icalabresi.it/rubriche/new-york ... sa-nostra/ - but their mafia status is highly debatable,
Keeping this same line of thought, what are your thoughts on the Bovonta clan from Vibo, newly emerging in Canada?

Another poster, CalabrianWatcher has said he believes there is something wrong with this clan's recognition from Vibo. I can't recall his exact words but he saw them as a kind of....... brand usurper? A kind of faux ndrangheta clan, that lacks the formal recognition and status as the rest of the Siderno Group.

I thought his ideas interesting, as they kinda echo what you wrote about Italian criminals in Ontario appropriating "Mafia Brands" for their own interest.


Real clan? Or a kinda proxy clan for the "TRUE" families of the Society of Siderno?


Also, in this thread, you described the family structures as being similar to overlapping rings. I like that. I myself have described both Ndrangheta clans and certain Sicilian clans as being composed like Concentric circles...
Are you thinking of the concept of ’ndrine bastarde here? As I understand it, “Bastard clans” that function outside of Italy without formal recognition from the mother locale in Calabria.


This is gold. There was a famous “La Bastarda” clan that started in Melbourne during the Market War and ended with Matteo Medici shooting his own father in the back of the head in order to regain affiliation with the locale.

What’s also fascinating is the overlapping surnames. Macri is big in Perth, Crupi, etc. Where the Sidernese have their biggest presence.

The concentric ring theory makes a ton of sense.
The relationship between Perth and the rest of Australia is extremely underestimated by also law enforcement. Indeed, see what I said below about the bastarda concept.
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ANNAESSE wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:52 am The concept of ndrine bastarde exists where there are ndrine non bastarde, who therefore recognise those not recognised if that makes sense. But yes indeed, ndrine-like structure exist everywhere with zero ties to Calabria or the ndrangheta.
Looking for clarification around this quote as it might relate to Perth, please Anna. In Chasing the Mafia, you reference the two families in Perth (using the analogy of a serial killer’s typology). Are you saying that one of the groups (and I suspect I might know which one) is ’ndrine bastarde, but because they’re recognised by the other Australian groups, they’re now technically “official” whether sanctioned or not? Or am I taking the quote out of context?

Building on what you said about Perth, it’s just so frustratingly ignored that it’s almost comical. Even after Vallelonga, Giovanni Italiano held office. Domenico Condo of Mount Lawley, Perth, caught up in Operation Kraken buying drugs from Antonio Catanzariti. Domenico’s uncle was Frank La Rosa, Italiano’s maté with serious drug convictions. This is the same Domenico Condo arrested in Duisburg. The connections are visible.
But it’s not even just Perth Anna; look at how deeply, deeply entrenched the Griffith and “New Plati” groups are in local politics and economy.

We have Troy Stewart, a Perre on his mother’s side, starting million dollar business ventures with the Casella family.

Besides the tax dramas in the 90s, and literally being named as bosses by Italian authorities, the Alvaro family has only very recently actually been charged with large-scale trafficking, and it was a struggle to even get the names of the two Raffaelle’s arrested in Ironside.
And Domenico and Salvatore Alvaro in Western Sydney are goddamn phantoms since Operations Seville and Coach.

The whole country is in grip. It’s just been normalised at this point.
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In Perth indeed one of the groups/locale is historical and recognised as such, another one is local, existing only because of Perth and how things are in Perth, independent, they do their own things. You can say they are a ndrina bastarda, but eventually they can't be really stopped.

The surname should be spelled Condò, or you risk not seeing the hints that surname bring.

I can only agree with all the rest you said...
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Anna, thanks for your insight as ever, especially considering how busy you are atm. I’ve DMd you some of the info I’ve gathered regarding last email.

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Annaesse & AustraliaSteve, it would be nice and a lot helpful if you two could get with Chris and do a chart so readers could put a face to who you guys are talking about, I think more people will begin to show more interest if they could put a face to who is who in the down under OC world, and I feel it would make this topic more interesting to more members......Sol
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