John Pennisi Sighting / Sit Down News

[Shellackhead]

I am not entirely convinced if Pennisi is accurate saying he took over the Luccheses by force. I thought Buddy Luongo was still alive when vic took over. And ettore coco and the 19th hole crew were promoted to leadership positions. It's been a while since I read Darcos book but that's kind of what I remember...

Wasn't Mix trying to take over the Lucchese's through Luongo and Ducks ok'd the hit to send a message?

That's my understanding.

Mine too Sonny... It makes too much sense, coupled with the supposed falling out Santoro and Corallo had during the time of the Commission Trial...

The biggest indicator that this is true is the external climate. Castellano was clipped 1985. Buddy was clipped in 86.
Chin put out a hit on Gotti. He JOINED with Gas and Vic to clip John.
What does that tell you. That Corallo gave the ok. This was against Corallo? Corallo appointed Buddy? Then WHY would Chin try and clip John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss, but not Vic? A strong further, why would Chin TEAM UP with Vic, if Vic had clipped Buddy unsanctioned?
It's a non sense.

Chin wanted to punish John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss yet not Vic? Vic would've been gone.

Wouldn’t that also be conflict of interest? I think Buddy was killed without permission.

[Tonyd621]

They should of took there conflict of interest to HR. All of this could been avoided

[SonnyBlackstein]

I am not entirely convinced if Pennisi is accurate saying he took over the Luccheses by force. I thought Buddy Luongo was still alive when vic took over. And ettore coco and the 19th hole crew were promoted to leadership positions. It's been a while since I read Darcos book but that's kind of what I remember...

Wasn't Mix trying to take over the Lucchese's through Luongo and Ducks ok'd the hit to send a message?

That's my understanding.

Mine too Sonny... It makes too much sense, coupled with the supposed falling out Santoro and Corallo had during the time of the Commission Trial...

The biggest indicator that this is true is the external climate. Castellano was clipped 1985. Buddy was clipped in 86.
Chin put out a hit on Gotti. He JOINED with Gas and Vic to clip John.
What does that tell you. That Corallo gave the ok. This was against Corallo? Corallo appointed Buddy? Then WHY would Chin try and clip John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss, but not Vic? A strong further, why would Chin TEAM UP with Vic, if Vic had clipped Buddy unsanctioned?
It's a non sense.

Chin wanted to punish John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss yet not Vic? Vic would've been gone.

Wonder if Chin had an issue with the coup Vic Orena was trying to pull with the Colombos before the Third War?

GREAT

question.

Any info on this?

[SonnyBlackstein]

At Shell: what would've been a conflict of interest?

[Browniety86]

I am not entirely convinced if Pennisi is accurate saying he took over the Luccheses by force. I thought Buddy Luongo was still alive when vic took over. And ettore coco and the 19th hole crew were promoted to leadership positions. It's been a while since I read Darcos book but that's kind of what I remember...

Wasn't Mix trying to take over the Lucchese's through Luongo and Ducks ok'd the hit to send a message?

That's my understanding.

Mine too Sonny... It makes too much sense, coupled with the supposed falling out Santoro and Corallo had during the time of the Commission Trial...

The biggest indicator that this is true is the external climate. Castellano was clipped 1985. Buddy was clipped in 86.
Chin put out a hit on Gotti. He JOINED with Gas and Vic to clip John.
What does that tell you. That Corallo gave the ok. This was against Corallo? Corallo appointed Buddy? Then WHY would Chin try and clip John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss, but not Vic? A strong further, why would Chin TEAM UP with Vic, if Vic had clipped Buddy unsanctioned?
It's a non sense.

Chin wanted to punish John for an unsanctioned hit on a boss yet not Vic? Vic would've been gone.

Wonder if Chin had an issue with the coup Vic Orena was trying to pull with the Colombos before the Third War?

GREAT

question.

Any info on this?

No I dont and to be honest I have NEVER even thought of the question until now. Chin didn't make any moves against the Orena faction so maybe he was indifferent to it. Which would be totally out of character with the way he reacted with the Philly and Gambino families when their respective takeovers took place...

[Dr031718]

Chin was under indictment and was more concerned with keeping the crazy act up

[SonnyBlackstein]

Good response Dr.
But chin went ballistic post Big Paul. Wanted Gotti's head despite the wrath which would fall. Phill too.
Then its just a 'meh' with the C's?

Maybe. But, doesnt follow the pattern

[AAA-DK]

What would Guzzo and Sideburn say or do if they ever meet pennisi

Sideburns is 110 years old so absolutely nothing. These guys aren't walking around strapped like it's 1932.

Pennisi could easily handle guzzo as well so nothing there.

It'd go something like this:
"fuckin rat!"
"Come over here and say that to my face"
"Fuck you rat" as both walk off scowling.

Very Likely - great respons

[SonnyBlackstein]

No I dont and to be honest I have NEVER even thought of the question until now. Chin didn't make any moves against the Orena faction so maybe he was indifferent to it. Which would be totally out of character with the way he reacted with the Philly and Gambino families when their respective takeovers took place...

In a little futher consideration, the situations involved with the Bino's and Philly involved sitting bosses, getting clipped.
The Colombos situation was an internal, dispute/power play. The majority of the family was actually with Vic.
But Persico didnt get shivved. Internal strife (of a family which had been fucked since the Gallo's) vs outright clipping of the boss.
Perhaps thats the difference.

[Browniety86]

No I dont and to be honest I have NEVER even thought of the question until now. Chin didn't make any moves against the Orena faction so maybe he was indifferent to it. Which would be totally out of character with the way he reacted with the Philly and Gambino families when their respective takeovers took place...

In a little futher consideration, the situations involved with the Bino's and Philly involved sitting bosses, getting clipped.
The Colombos situation was an internal, dispute/power play. The majority of the family was actually with Vic.
But Persico didnt get shivved. Internal strife (of a family which had been fucked since the Gallo's) vs outright clipping of the boss.
Perhaps thats the difference.

Very valid points Sonny and the fact that Vic went about it in the right way (asking to poll the captains) might have kept the Genovese from getting involved.

[dave]

Anybody here know anything about Michael Ryan?

[JohnnyS]

Wtf. Michael Ryan is a Lucchese associate that was busted with Martin Taccetta over 30 years. I don't think he's ever mentioned him in a video so no idea what the connection is.

[Wiseguy]

Looks like somebody hit a nerve.

[MoLarryCurly]

Good response Dr.
But chin went ballistic post Big Paul. Wanted Gotti's head despite the wrath which would fall. Phill too.
Then its just a 'meh' with the C's?

Maybe. But, doesnt follow the pattern

He went ballistic cause he lost a partner he made millions with. Big Paul and chin had big projects going, joint earns im sure. Gotti coming he probally figured would ruin all those buissness deals. Big Paul could be a buissness man. Gotti couldn’t

[Browniety86]

Chin was under indictment and was more concerned with keeping the crazy act up

That's true. He got indicted in the Windows case right before the start of the 3rd Colombo war...great point!!