Situations of 'Stealing' from the Family

[gohnjotti]

Wasn't Simone Esposito of the Bonannos shelved just recently for this?

From Lcnbios

Simone Esposito: Shelved in 2015 for stealing $20,000 from the Family treasury.

Thanks Furio, I think this is one of the most recent examples.

Aside from the Bonannos treasury and the Genovese fund for incarcerated members, do we know of any other family “funds” or treasuries in the 21 century?

[InCamelot]

Can't recall super clearly but I believe on one episode of No Excuses I believe Mikey Scars talks about the acting admin wanting to raise money to support the indicted admin (or was it just Gotti Sr?)

[InCamelot]

Also read that Chin Gigante was ostracized (shelved?) - for not kicking up 'enough' to Tommy Eboli. Not sure of the nuances here, whether they were both just financial partners, etc.

[cobra]

- giovanni bonanno murdered 11 january 2006
- killed because he stealed extortion money
- lo piccolo try to intimidate him to not do it
- he ignore it
- the murder decided in the top level of the mafia (provenzano)

[aray22]

Anthony Seccafico.

[CornerBoy]

they all steal a little bit but when it gets too obvious......

[Browniety86]

Anthony Seccafico.

Little Anthony was killed for many reasons...

[Little_Al1991]

Little Joe DeFede, former Acting Boss of the Lucchese Family

I read that Amuso suspected but havent proofs so replaced DeFede with Crea and after the big increase of profits,Amuso was finally convinced that DeFede had robbed.
I think that DeFede doesnt steal but wasnt so good to make money.

Pennisi made a video about DeFede and confirmed that he was skimming

Do you really believe him? Didn’t Defede cooperate in 98? What would Pennisi have been, early 20’s? He wasn’t made until 2013 if I remember correctly. Yet somehow he knows that Defede was skimming? Not buying it.

He knew the people who were on the street at the time DeFede was the Acting Boss.
There’s also no reason for him to lie about DeFede

[aray22]

Anthony Seccafico.

Little Anthony was killed for many reasons...

From what I've read stealing from the family was definitely a contributor.

[InCamelot]

Mikey Scars vs Gambino admin (mostly Pete Gotti & the Corozzos) might be another example of this.

Sort of broken down here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwV5Xl9ASMc

[newera_212]

Little Joe DeFede, former Acting Boss of the Lucchese Family

I read that Amuso suspected but havent proofs so replaced DeFede with Crea and after the big increase of profits,Amuso was finally convinced that DeFede had robbed.
I think that DeFede doesnt steal but wasnt so good to make money.

Pennisi made a video about DeFede and confirmed that he was skimming

Do you really believe him? Didn’t Defede cooperate in 98? What would Pennisi have been, early 20’s? He wasn’t made until 2013 if I remember correctly. Yet somehow he knows that Defede was skimming? Not buying it.

I don't think I'd believe him if he started telling never heard before stories about Stefano LeSalle or Joe Laratro but when it comes to people that were on the street at the same time as a majority of the people he was closest with, coupled with his best friend being the son-in-law of the Boss for the last 35 years, I'd tend to believe some of the second hand stuff he heard from other members about what was going on in the late 80s and the 90s

[jmack]

Little Joe DeFede, former Acting Boss of the Lucchese Family

I read that Amuso suspected but havent proofs so replaced DeFede with Crea and after the big increase of profits,Amuso was finally convinced that DeFede had robbed.
I think that DeFede doesnt steal but wasnt so good to make money.

Pennisi made a video about DeFede and confirmed that he was skimming

Do you really believe him? Didn’t Defede cooperate in 98? What would Pennisi have been, early 20’s? He wasn’t made until 2013 if I remember correctly. Yet somehow he knows that Defede was skimming? Not buying it.

I don't think I'd believe him if he started telling never heard before stories about Stefano LeSalle or Joe Laratro but when it comes to people that were on the street at the same time as a majority of the people he was closest with, coupled with his best friend being the son-in-law of the Boss for the last 35 years, I'd tend to believe some of the second hand stuff he heard from other members about what was going on in the late 80s and the 90s

I think it’s circular. I’m sure he “heard rumors”, probably after the fact, but they were the same sources who started the rumor. It didn’t come from an outside source is my point, he was just retelling the same story. True or not I have no idea. I just don’t think logically he has any inside information or different perspective so he doesn’t really establish if skimming was happening or not.

[newera_212]

I think it’s circular. I’m sure he “heard rumors”, probably after the fact, but they were the same sources who started the rumor. It didn’t come from an outside source is my point, he was just retelling the same story. True or not I have no idea. I just don’t think logically he has any inside information or different perspective so he doesn’t really establish if skimming was happening or not.

Definitely a good point and a big possibility - not going to say that's out of the realm of possibility

[InCamelot]

Salvatore Mangiaracina stole money from the Bonannos' numbers operation he supervised. Bill Bonanno said a member can't be killed over financial indiscretion so he was shelved and sent back to Sicily (Bill calls him "Sal Amari" in his book but it was Mangiaracina). He was later killed because he secretly moved back to NYC without approval.

Any detail on whether it was him moving back and setting up operations in NYC that got him killed, or was it simply moving back that was the reason?
Fascinating how the mafia utilizes a technicality sometimes.

[Pmac2]

I was watching scars he mentioned joe defede and his son getting caught stealing. It males more sense because defede was almost fininishing his jail bid I'm sure he left his son in charge of whatever he was doing before he went to jail. Then crea probably caught on