newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:05 pm
I'll take the thread seriously I guess... you actually have a decent point about Circelli. The guy who did it was locked up pretty quick, so getting revenge on him would be much more difficult. Especially since he went into the State system. I know nothing about the guy and what LCN type of relationships he may have maintained from prison, but for an associate being in NYS prison for the rest of their lives...out of sight, out of mind...seems like punishment enough. Why bother?
Obviously Comello was not in "the life" and any rules about made men or the life in general do not apply to him. Myself or anyone else has nothing new to say about Comello and whether or not something will happen to him or his family. It's been discussed to death
Gulino was probably killed for a variety of reasons that were stacking up on one another, and putting his hands on Spero was the final straw. It wasn't like he was the perfect protege who did everything right, and he randomly snapped and put his hands on Spero. There's a lot of ways you can disrespect someone's authority besides just touching them, and he was probably guilty of them all
Something I've been wondering for awhile now...
When exactly did Paradiso and Gotti get into a fight? Pre-Induction? Or Post?
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:05 am
Louis Barone that killed Cercielli was 76 old at the time,so wasnt killed because was old? And in state system should be more easy to kill someone?
State prison is probably easier than federal prison, but there are still cameras everywhere and dry snitches across all prisons. I would say most mobsters who plan on getting out one day wouldn't risk murdering someone in prison themselves. I don't know.
I was thinking more along the lines of numbers and odds. LCN doesn't really have many members and associates in the NY State system compared to the Federal system. They are far from being a 'dominant force' in the federal prison system regardless, but at least they have members inside, and better chance of having relationships/connections to other people in the Feds. It would still be difficult (and senseless) but they'd have a lot better odds on making a planned hit happen in the Federal system.
To hit Louis Barone in the State system, they'd have to know someone who is both at the same prison as Barone (out of the 44 total in the State), and is willing to catch a murder charge and serve life - or whatever punishment would happen if they already were serving life - and that person would most likely not be a LCN member or associate
Pennisi said that during his induction ceremony Matty Madonna advised him that if he ever got into a physical altercation with someone, he should kill the person right away. That of course is an empty statement, but I always thought that this „rule” was due to the Circelli murder.
Tackling the subject from another angle though - when was the rule observed anyway? I only recall Nino Gaggi and Sammy killing civilians who crossed them, and those guys were Capos and had people around them eager to prove themselves. If you don’t have the juice or you’re not willing to hurt the person yourself, no one will go on a limb for you. You are the „man of honour” and you are supposed to maintain your reputation.
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:37 am
State prison is probably easier than federal prison
Gohn this is incorrect, ask anyone you know that did time. State prisons are an absolute cesspool, Fed time is much easier especially if you’re white.
In regards to Louie Lump Lump no one touched him because what he did was correct. Circelli was drunk and abusive so he got what was coming to him, regardless of the stripe on his arm.
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:05 pm
Myself or anyone else has nothing new to say about Comello and whether or not something will happen to him or his family. It's been discussed to death
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:37 am
State prison is probably easier than federal prison
Gohn this is incorrect, ask anyone you know that did time. State prisons are an absolute cesspool, Fed time is much easier especially if you’re white.
In regards to Louie Lump Lump no one touched him because what he did was correct. Circelli was drunk and abusive so he got what was coming to him, regardless of the stripe on his arm.
My bad, I figured state prisons tend to have more violence anyways and poorer conditions, etc. I guess it depends on the prison.
State Prison is def more dangerous than Federal prison systems. I’ve heard stories from guys in State Prison & guys in Feds and State prisons are def much much tougher.
