coldshoulder wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:56 am
Good stuff as always JCB. Thanks. One glaring error in the long Pittsburgh Post-Gazette newspaper article in your first post referred to the Carabbia's as being from Warren; when in reality their homes and business were always in Struthers. They just controlled the Warren territory for their Cleveland superiors.
Are you sure that the Carabbia's controlled the Warren area for Cleveland and not Tony Desanter?
Carabbia assumed Tony D's operations when Tony Died
That makes sense, but it was Tony's deal until then.
Tony was originally sent to Warren to watch Cleveland's end in The Jungle Inn and Charlie was sent to watch Pittsburgh's end.
Hey pal,
Yes, DelSanter was the big shot in Warren until his death. The article relating to Lonardo is specifically on the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war 1978-1982. If I’m not mistaken, I believe Tony DelSanter passed in August of 1977. The first victim in the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war was 1978, Spider Grisham. Once Tony died, Prato & Naples felt they could take out Carabbia who was chosen by Jack Licavoli to succeed DelSanter. Licavoli was the head of Warren long before Tony DelSanter. DelSanter succeeded Licavoli in the early 1950’s. Cleveland lost longtime Don John Scalish in 1976, Underboss (at the time) Tony Milano in 1976 and DelSanter in 1977. This created a weakened Cleveland family. Had Scalish and Milano been around, Pittsburgh would never have had the steam to pull off what they pulled off. Big John and Kelly would not have taken on Scalish & Milano. They all operated with peace for decades.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
coldshoulder wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:56 am
Good stuff as always JCB. Thanks. One glaring error in the long Pittsburgh Post-Gazette newspaper article in your first post referred to the Carabbia's as being from Warren; when in reality their homes and business were always in Struthers. They just controlled the Warren territory for their Cleveland superiors.
Are you sure that the Carabbia's controlled the Warren area for Cleveland and not Tony Desanter?
Carabbia assumed Tony D's operations when Tony Died
That makes sense, but it was Tony's deal until then.
Tony was originally sent to Warren to watch Cleveland's end in The Jungle Inn and Charlie was sent to watch Pittsburgh's end.
Hey pal,
Yes, DelSanter was the big shot in Warren until his death. The article relating to Lonardo is specifically on the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war 1978-1982. If I’m not mistaken, I believe Tony DelSanter passed in August of 1977. The first victim in the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war was 1978, Spider Grisham. Once Tony died, Prato & Naples felt they could take out Carabbia who was chosen by Jack Licavoli to succeed DelSanter. Licavoli was the head of Warren long before Tony DelSanter. DelSanter succeeded Licavoli in the early 1950’s. Cleveland lost longtime Don John Scalish in 1976, Underboss (at the time) Tony Milano in 1976 and DelSanter in 1977. This created a weakened Cleveland family. Had Scalish and Milano been around, Pittsburgh would never have had the steam to pull off what they pulled off. Big John and Kelly would not have taken on Scalish & Milano. They all operated with peace for decades.
IrishDave wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:55 pm
Were the Carabbia brothers actually made in the Cleveland family?
Pat Ferruccio was with pittsburgh? Leo Moceri was in akron, I believe. Was the akron/canton area split up like the Ohio Valley or is that just how it ended up?
Pat Ferruccio was originally with Cleveland but had a big falling out with Jack Licavoli in the 1960's, he then became a Pittsburgh member and acted for many decades as the liason between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Leo Moceri controlled Akron, he took over after the LaFatch brothers, Jimmy & Tony. Canton was Pittsburgh territory, Akron was Cleveland.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
coldshoulder wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:56 am
Good stuff as always JCB. Thanks. One glaring error in the long Pittsburgh Post-Gazette newspaper article in your first post referred to the Carabbia's as being from Warren; when in reality their homes and business were always in Struthers. They just controlled the Warren territory for their Cleveland superiors.
Are you sure that the Carabbia's controlled the Warren area for Cleveland and not Tony Desanter?
Carabbia assumed Tony D's operations when Tony Died
That makes sense, but it was Tony's deal until then.
Tony was originally sent to Warren to watch Cleveland's end in The Jungle Inn and Charlie was sent to watch Pittsburgh's end.
Hey pal,
Yes, DelSanter was the big shot in Warren until his death. The article relating to Lonardo is specifically on the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war 1978-1982. If I’m not mistaken, I believe Tony DelSanter passed in August of 1977. The first victim in the Cleveland-Pittsburgh war was 1978, Spider Grisham. Once Tony died, Prato & Naples felt they could take out Carabbia who was chosen by Jack Licavoli to succeed DelSanter. Licavoli was the head of Warren long before Tony DelSanter. DelSanter succeeded Licavoli in the early 1950’s. Cleveland lost longtime Don John Scalish in 1976, Underboss (at the time) Tony Milano in 1976 and DelSanter in 1977. This created a weakened Cleveland family. Had Scalish and Milano been around, Pittsburgh would never have had the steam to pull off what they pulled off. Big John and Kelly would not have taken on Scalish & Milano. They all operated with peace for decades.
Why wasnt John Nardi ever made?
He was the nephew of Tony Milano's wife and his position in the Teamsters union was vital to the family, with all the pressure being put on the unions at the time in Ohio, Milano didn't want to make him. Informants also stated that while Nardi was Milano's nephew through marriage, Tony didn't care for him.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
Ed does an amazing job breaking down Angelo's testimony....Angelo was THE HIGHEST ranking member of the mafia to turn states evidence at that time in history.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
IrishDave wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:55 pm
Were the Carabbia brothers actually made in the Cleveland family?
Pat Ferruccio was with pittsburgh? Leo Moceri was in akron, I believe. Was the akron/canton area split up like the Ohio Valley or is that just how it ended up?
Pat Ferruccio was originally with Cleveland but had a big falling out with Jack Licavoli in the 1960's, he then became a Pittsburgh member and acted for many decades as the liason between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Leo Moceri controlled Akron, he took over after the LaFatch brothers, Jimmy & Tony. Canton was Pittsburgh territory, Akron was Cleveland.
I met Pat through Henry first at Lenny's motel/restaurant in North Lima then several times at a little restaurant in Alliance, Ohio.
They discussed Pat supplying what ever machines that might be required for the proposed casino in California.
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
IrishDave wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:55 pm
Were the Carabbia brothers actually made in the Cleveland family?
Pat Ferruccio was with pittsburgh? Leo Moceri was in akron, I believe. Was the akron/canton area split up like the Ohio Valley or is that just how it ended up?
Pat Ferruccio was originally with Cleveland but had a big falling out with Jack Licavoli in the 1960's, he then became a Pittsburgh member and acted for many decades as the liason between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Leo Moceri controlled Akron, he took over after the LaFatch brothers, Jimmy & Tony. Canton was Pittsburgh territory, Akron was Cleveland.
I met Pat through Henry first at Lenny's motel/restaurant in North Lima then several times at a little restaurant in Alliance, Ohio.
They discussed Pat supplying what ever machines that might be required for the proposed casino in California.
Right around the time that Pat was feeding info to the FBI on Lenny and the Rincon operation.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
IrishDave wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:55 pm
Were the Carabbia brothers actually made in the Cleveland family?
Pat Ferruccio was with pittsburgh? Leo Moceri was in akron, I believe. Was the akron/canton area split up like the Ohio Valley or is that just how it ended up?
Pat Ferruccio was originally with Cleveland but had a big falling out with Jack Licavoli in the 1960's, he then became a Pittsburgh member and acted for many decades as the liason between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Leo Moceri controlled Akron, he took over after the LaFatch brothers, Jimmy & Tony. Canton was Pittsburgh territory, Akron was Cleveland.
I met Pat through Henry first at Lenny's motel/restaurant in North Lima then several times at a little restaurant in Alliance, Ohio.
They discussed Pat supplying what ever machines that might be required for the proposed casino in California.
Right around the time that Pat was feeding info to the FBI on Lenny and the Rincon operation.
Obviously no one knew that at the time otherwise
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
Correction, this is Lonardo's testimony from April 15,1988, not 1983 (may have been a typo on your part...?). JCB linked to this same info with Lonardo's opening statement in a post about 4 or 5 posts before this. However, Ant's post quoted here not only includes Lonardo's opening written statement, but a transcript of the entire hearing over 5 full business days that captures questions from senators and answers from Lonardo and FBI agents, and covers mob activities across the country.
Great reading that I'll have to remember to come back and revisit when I have more time.
Correction, this is Lonardo's testimony from April 15,1988, not 1983 (may have been a typo on your part...?). JCB linked to this same info with Lonardo's opening statement in a post about 4 or 5 posts before this. However, Ant's post quoted here not only includes Lonardo's opening written statement, but a transcript of the entire hearing over 5 full business days that captures questions from senators and answers from Lonardo and FBI agents, and covers mob activities across the country.
Great reading that I'll have to remember to come back and revisit when I have more time.
Thanks for the correction. My edit function doesn't work so unfortunately I can't go back and fix it.
Thanks for sharing JCB1977. Lonardo provides some really good information in his testimonies/interviews. I feel like he was sitting on a lot more good stuff. It's a shame he never put out a book.
He never wore a book but he did sit for an interview. I'm sure you can find it. It's the same group that produced the Danny Green movie and documentary. It's not a great documentary, the audio is garbage. He was in a nursing home in Cleveland at the time.
IrishDave wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:50 am
He never wore a book but he did sit for an interview. I'm sure you can find it. It's the same group that produced the Danny Green movie and documentary. It's not a great documentary, the audio is garbage. He was in a nursing home in Cleveland at the time.
The interview is posted on page 1 of the thread
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
