Montreal: Intercepted Texts

[CabriniGreen]

I just found these text messages interesting because if the person behind the messages was a Bonanno and #1 refers to Bonanno leadership it's the first time I've seen it shown that Montagna still had some authority in the family since he made a captain in Montreal. Asaro comments on him as one of the bosses but doesn't really say if it was meaning in the past tense when he served as acting boss or presently and Agostino is most likely a non member so his comment to another outsider doesn't hold much weight.

So Lopresti was backing Montagna or stayed loyal to Rizzutos?

LoPresti joined up with Montagna.

Who the fuck was steven dadarrio and this Giuseppe c. Guy. ? Like to just just mass murdering a group of connected guys in Montreal. They sound like nuts bugs just casually texting each other on updates about killing people. Who are they?

Steven D'Addario & Giuseppe Colapelle were 2 Montreal mobsters connected with Dejardins & Mirarchi. Colapelle was also a friend of Giuseppe De Vito and killed in 2012. I think D'Addario is currently in prison.

Both were involved in Salvatore Montagna's murder.

He's been out of prison for awhile now. Last report we had on him was a dinner in May, 2021 with Del Balso, Pizzi, Barberio, the top Montreal HA members.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... permis.php

Curious Lopresti would side that way as his father was on top with the Rizzutos before his death

I've never been sure exactly why he got hit. I've always suspected he was either skimming, or did some unauthorized deals. I could never find out what he did wrong.. Joe Lo Presti I mean, not the son..

[Newyorkempire]

I just found these text messages interesting because if the person behind the messages was a Bonanno and #1 refers to Bonanno leadership it's the first time I've seen it shown that Montagna still had some authority in the family since he made a captain in Montreal. Asaro comments on him as one of the bosses but doesn't really say if it was meaning in the past tense when he served as acting boss or presently and Agostino is most likely a non member so his comment to another outsider doesn't hold much weight.

So Lopresti was backing Montagna or stayed loyal to Rizzutos?

LoPresti joined up with Montagna.

Who the fuck was steven dadarrio and this Giuseppe c. Guy. ? Like to just just mass murdering a group of connected guys in Montreal. They sound like nuts bugs just casually texting each other on updates about killing people. Who are they?

Steven D'Addario & Giuseppe Colapelle were 2 Montreal mobsters connected with Dejardins & Mirarchi. Colapelle was also a friend of Giuseppe De Vito and killed in 2012. I think D'Addario is currently in prison.

Both were involved in Salvatore Montagna's murder.

He's been out of prison for awhile now. Last report we had on him was a dinner in May, 2021 with Del Balso, Pizzi, Barberio, the top Montreal HA members.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... permis.php

Curious Lopresti would side that way as his father was on top with the Rizzutos before his death

I've never been sure exactly why he got hit. I've always suspected he was either skimming, or did some unauthorized deals. I could never find out what he did wrong.. Joe Lo Presti I mean, not the son..

In the book Canadian Mafia Murders, some of the theories include over a woman, an independent business deal, murdered by a woman, etc., etc, etc. and states Vito Rizzuto attended the funeral.

[B.]

LoPresti was using drugs and told Sciascia "You're my captain, not my friend." He was apparently seen as a disrespectful liability so Sciascia ordered his murder.

The Rizzutos may have helped facilitate the LoPresti killing in Canada on behalf of Sciascia which might explain Lorenzo's misgivings toward them. Similarly an Arcuri was the suspect in Vito Rizzuto's murder in New York City in the 1930s so they appear to have a long history of tension with their paesans hence the Arcuris being Montagna's main supporters against the Rizzuto-Renda clan.

Rosario Arcuri who was believed to have killed Vito Rizzuto was also a close friend / possible relative of Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father, Manny being in the same decina as Sal Montagna. So these relationships are very interesting even if some of the connections are incidental generations later.

[B.]

Like bruh..... Canada wanted him....... WHO? Who is Canada? Nick Rizzuto? The construction was his thing, no way he request something FOR Montagnas benefit..... I don't see it.

We have such limited info it's difficult to draw any conclusion but there's nothing to suggest Montreal wanted Vertuccio to be serviced by Montagna for his benefit. If we can infer anything, it's that Montagna was the liaison with Montreal (which Cicale said too) and Vertuccio was doing some kind of business in Canada that involved the Bonanno members there. It could have been for convenience that they wanted Vertuccio to be serviced by Montagna given they were already dealing with him. Could have been a request based on practicality.

Also Montreal isn't a singular entity and we don't know who made this request. It could have been Nick Rizzuto or other Bonanno members. If Rizzuto was the capodecina it makes sense the request would go through him but the factionalism a few years later shows Montreal wasn't all of one mind even among the Cattolicensi let alone w/ guys like DiMaulo and Gallo.

[Newyorkempire]

LoPresti was using drugs and told Sciascia "You're my captain, not my friend." He was apparently seen as a disrespectful liability so Sciascia ordered his murder.

The Rizzutos may have helped facilitate the LoPresti killing in Canada on behalf of Sciascia which might explain Lorenzo's misgivings toward them. Similarly an Arcuri was the suspect in Vito Rizzuto's murder in New York City in the 1930s so they appear to have a long history of tension with their paesans hence the Arcuris being Montagna's main supporters against the Rizzuto-Renda clan.

Rosario Arcuri who was believed to have killed Vito Rizzuto was also a close friend / possible relative of Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father, Manny being in the same decina as Sal Montagna. So these relationships are very interesting even if some of the connections are incidental generations later.

B., where does the info on Sciascia ordering his murder come from?

[B.]

LoPresti was using drugs and told Sciascia "You're my captain, not my friend." He was apparently seen as a disrespectful liability so Sciascia ordered his murder.

The Rizzutos may have helped facilitate the LoPresti killing in Canada on behalf of Sciascia which might explain Lorenzo's misgivings toward them. Similarly an Arcuri was the suspect in Vito Rizzuto's murder in New York City in the 1930s so they appear to have a long history of tension with their paesans hence the Arcuris being Montagna's main supporters against the Rizzuto-Renda clan.

Rosario Arcuri who was believed to have killed Vito Rizzuto was also a close friend / possible relative of Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father, Manny being in the same decina as Sal Montagna. So these relationships are very interesting even if some of the connections are incidental generations later.

B., where does the info on Sciascia ordering his murder come from?

Massino ordered it at Sciascia's request. Massino's testimony:

Q Staying in the time frame where you were incarcerated in
17 the late 1980s to the early 1990s, did you discuss an
18 individual named Joseph LoPresti and Sal Vitale?
19 A Yes, I did.
20 Q What did you discuss with Mr. Vitale?
21 A George from Canada was his best friend, and he says that
22 he's always stoned, he snorting coke and he's very
23 disrespectful to him.
24 He said, you're not my friend, you're my captain.
25 Otherwise, I wouldn't talk to you. You want to -- he wanted
the okay to kill him.
2 I gave him the permission.
3 Q When you spoke to Sal Vitale, what was your position?
4 A I was the underboss then.
5 Q What was Sal Vitale's role?
6 A Captain.
7 Q Did you later learn that the murder was, in fact, carried
8 out?
9 A Yes, it was.
10 Q Were you personally there?
11 A No, I wasn't. I was incarcerated.
12 Q Were you ever prosecuted for the murder of Joseph
13 LoPresti?
14 A No, I wasn't.
15 Q But you told the government about it as part of your
16 prosecution?
17 A Yes, I did.

Note that Vitale once claimed he "felt" Sciascia had LoPresti killed without permission then sought permission after the fact but in one of Renaud's books (I believe) there is info he quotes from Vitale where he says Massino ordered it for the same reasons Massino testified, that LoPresti was using drugs and disrespected Sciascia.

Vitale however has memory issues and is bad with dates. For example when he was asked about LoPresti at the 2011 Basciano trial he couldn't even remember who LoPresti was and couldn't comment on the murder. I suspect his one-time statement that LoPresti was killed in Canada in an unsanctioned hit ordered by Sciascia was him confusing it with the Cotroni murder. Massino not only clarifies that the LoPresti murder was sanctioned but admitted to approving it even though he was never charged with it himself.

Vitale's accounts are similarly inconsistent about whether Nicolo Rizzuto became official capodecina. In the more well-known account he says Vito refused the promotion and suggested his father instead but Vitale left without anyone holding the official title and Vito remained an acting captain. In another account he says Vito Rizzuto was already acting captain, refused the official title, and Nicolo was ultimately made official capodecina.

[Guest]

LoPresti was using drugs and told Sciascia "You're my captain, not my friend." He was apparently seen as a disrespectful liability so Sciascia ordered his murder.

The Rizzutos may have helped facilitate the LoPresti killing in Canada on behalf of Sciascia which might explain Lorenzo's misgivings toward them. Similarly an Arcuri was the suspect in Vito Rizzuto's murder in New York City in the 1930s so they appear to have a long history of tension with their paesans hence the Arcuris being Montagna's main supporters against the Rizzuto-Renda clan.

Rosario Arcuri who was believed to have killed Vito Rizzuto was also a close friend / possible relative of Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father, Manny being in the same decina as Sal Montagna. So these relationships are very interesting even if some of the connections are incidental generations later.

B., where does the info on Sciascia ordering his murder come from?

Massino ordered it at Sciascia's request. Massino's testimony:

Q Staying in the time frame where you were incarcerated in
17 the late 1980s to the early 1990s, did you discuss an
18 individual named Joseph LoPresti and Sal Vitale?
19 A Yes, I did.
20 Q What did you discuss with Mr. Vitale?
21 A George from Canada was his best friend, and he says that
22 he's always stoned, he snorting coke and he's very
23 disrespectful to him.
24 He said, you're not my friend, you're my captain.
25 Otherwise, I wouldn't talk to you. You want to -- he wanted
the okay to kill him.
2 I gave him the permission.
3 Q When you spoke to Sal Vitale, what was your position?
4 A I was the underboss then.
5 Q What was Sal Vitale's role?
6 A Captain.
7 Q Did you later learn that the murder was, in fact, carried
8 out?
9 A Yes, it was.
10 Q Were you personally there?
11 A No, I wasn't. I was incarcerated.
12 Q Were you ever prosecuted for the murder of Joseph
13 LoPresti?
14 A No, I wasn't.
15 Q But you told the government about it as part of your
16 prosecution?
17 A Yes, I did.

Note that Vitale once claimed he "felt" Sciascia had LoPresti killed without permission then sought permission after the fact but in one of Renaud's books (I believe) there is info he quotes from Vitale where he says Massino ordered it for the same reasons Massino testified, that LoPresti was using drugs and disrespected Sciascia.

Vitale however has memory issues and is bad with dates. For example when he was asked about LoPresti at the 2011 Basciano trial he couldn't even remember who LoPresti was and couldn't comment on the murder. I suspect his one-time statement that LoPresti was killed in Canada in an unsanctioned hit ordered by Sciascia was him confusing it with the Cotroni murder. Massino not only clarifies that the LoPresti murder was sanctioned but admitted to approving it even though he was never charged with it himself.

Vitale's accounts are similarly inconsistent about whether Nicolo Rizzuto became official capodecina. In the more well-known account he says Vito refused the promotion and suggested his father instead but Vitale left without anyone holding the official title and Vito remained an acting captain. In another account he says Vito Rizzuto was already acting captain, refused the official title, and Nicolo was ultimately made official capodecina.

Great stuff...could it be that Vito did not necessarily go along with this murder as he was at the funeral and this was another reasoning to continue to detach from the Bonannos? Then the Sciascia would become the final straw of sorts?

[CabriniGreen]

LoPresti was using drugs and told Sciascia "You're my captain, not my friend." He was apparently seen as a disrespectful liability so Sciascia ordered his murder.

The Rizzutos may have helped facilitate the LoPresti killing in Canada on behalf of Sciascia which might explain Lorenzo's misgivings toward them. Similarly an Arcuri was the suspect in Vito Rizzuto's murder in New York City in the 1930s so they appear to have a long history of tension with their paesans hence the Arcuris being Montagna's main supporters against the Rizzuto-Renda clan.

Rosario Arcuri who was believed to have killed Vito Rizzuto was also a close friend / possible relative of Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father, Manny being in the same decina as Sal Montagna. So these relationships are very interesting even if some of the connections are incidental generations later.

B., where does the info on Sciascia ordering his murder come from?

Massino ordered it at Sciascia's request. Massino's testimony:

Q Staying in the time frame where you were incarcerated in
17 the late 1980s to the early 1990s, did you discuss an
18 individual named Joseph LoPresti and Sal Vitale?
19 A Yes, I did.
20 Q What did you discuss with Mr. Vitale?
21 A George from Canada was his best friend, and he says that
22 he's always stoned, he snorting coke and he's very
23 disrespectful to him.
24 He said, you're not my friend, you're my captain.
25 Otherwise, I wouldn't talk to you. You want to -- he wanted
the okay to kill him.
2 I gave him the permission.
3 Q When you spoke to Sal Vitale, what was your position?
4 A I was the underboss then.
5 Q What was Sal Vitale's role?
6 A Captain.
7 Q Did you later learn that the murder was, in fact, carried
8 out?
9 A Yes, it was.
10 Q Were you personally there?
11 A No, I wasn't. I was incarcerated.
12 Q Were you ever prosecuted for the murder of Joseph
13 LoPresti?
14 A No, I wasn't.
15 Q But you told the government about it as part of your
16 prosecution?
17 A Yes, I did.

Note that Vitale once claimed he "felt" Sciascia had LoPresti killed without permission then sought permission after the fact but in one of Renaud's books (I believe) there is info he quotes from Vitale where he says Massino ordered it for the same reasons Massino testified, that LoPresti was using drugs and disrespected Sciascia.

Vitale however has memory issues and is bad with dates. For example when he was asked about LoPresti at the 2011 Basciano trial he couldn't even remember who LoPresti was and couldn't comment on the murder. I suspect his one-time statement that LoPresti was killed in Canada in an unsanctioned hit ordered by Sciascia was him confusing it with the Cotroni murder. Massino not only clarifies that the LoPresti murder was sanctioned but admitted to approving it even though he was never charged with it himself.

Vitale's accounts are similarly inconsistent about whether Nicolo Rizzuto became official capodecina. In the more well-known account he says Vito refused the promotion and suggested his father instead but Vitale left without anyone holding the official title and Vito remained an acting captain. In another account he says Vito Rizzuto was already acting captain, refused the official title, and Nicolo was ultimately made official capodecina.

Ok... here's the thing though. Doesn't all this sound very similar to Sciascia's complaints about Graziano? Why did they take his word at face value on LoPresti and not Graziano? WAS LoPresti really on drugs? Was Graziano?Or was he an just an emerging rival of Sciascia? And he found a convenient excuse to kill him? The guy had a lot on Mafia Row, at some point he seemed to be in the inner circle...

Was this a devious Sciascia tactic, brand a guy a druggie as a prelude to ask for a contract? Did Massino catch on to this? He didn't trust the Sicilians anyway, and especially Sciascia, it seems, after he was acting like he was running a parallel hierarchy/faction when he pulled the Louis HaHa / " Use Baldo" thing.

I always felt it took 3 guys to fully replace Galante. One in Canada, ( Nick) one in NY, ( Sciascia) and a designated liason/ messenger, LoPresti. Who was Montagnas LoPresti to NY? Was it that Renda kid?


Also..... I evaluate a mobsters strength one of several ways. Does he have a loyal crew? Is he in control of a lucrative operation? This can anything from a commodity, a service, infiltration of business and public works, but it has to be lucrative. Charisma is harder to quantify, but surveillance and observation can give hints to who's in a guys network, and the type of respect deference he recieves can be informative.

( anyone who disagrees on the lucrative racket thing should read Franzeses book, specifically the part about how his crew reacted when they thought someone was going to rat on him. They were addicted to the LIFESTYLE he was able to provide, that they were incapable of recreating without him. Like, ready to kill on a whim. )

[B.]

Ok... here's the thing though. Doesn't all this sound very similar to Sciascia's complaints about Graziano? Why did they take his word at face value on LoPresti and not Graziano? WAS LoPresti really on drugs? Was Graziano?Or was he an just an emerging rival of Sciascia? And he found a convenient excuse to kill him? The guy had a lot on Mafia Row, at some point he seemed to be in the inner circle...

Was this a devious Sciascia tactic, brand a guy a druggie as a prelude to ask for a contract? Did Massino catch on to this? He didn't trust the Sicilians anyway, and especially Sciascia, it seems, after he was acting like he was running a parallel hierarchy/faction when he pulled the Louis HaHa / " Use Baldo" thing.

I always felt it took 3 guys to fully replace Galante. One in Canada, ( Nick) one in NY, ( Sciascia) and a designated liason/ messenger, LoPresti. Who was Montagnas LoPresti to NY? Was it that Renda kid?


Also..... I evaluate a mobsters strength one of several ways. Does he have a loyal crew? Is he in control of a lucrative operation? This can anything from a commodity, a service, infiltration of business and public works, but it has to be lucrative. Charisma is harder to quantify, but surveillance and observation can give hints to who's in a guys network, and the type of respect deference he recieves can be informative.

( anyone who disagrees on the lucrative racket thing should read Franzeses book, specifically the part about how his crew reacted when they thought someone was going to rat on him. They were addicted to the LIFESTYLE he was able to provide, that they were incapable of recreating without him. Like, ready to kill on a whim. )

Like Massino said, Sciascia and LoPresti had been "best friends" so there was some kind of falling out by that time. According to the story, drug use was a factor.

From my thread on Vitale's 2014 testimony, he claimed it was him (Vitale) who first pressed the Graziano drug issue with Massino and Vitale specifically said Sciascia wasn't involved in these conversations. Massino shot Vitale's allegations down. He says it was later that Sciascia raised the issue and that Sciascia also opposed Massino when he wanted to make Graziano the consigliere when Spero went to prison. Along with Vitale and Sciascia, Michael DiLeonardo believed Graziano was on drugs at a meeting he attended with Graziano and Sciascia during that time.

Difference is that Massino didn't believe the drug allegations against Graziano (who he was very close to) while he took Sciascia's word for it that LoPresti was. As mentioned, there was the added issue that LoPresti was openly disrespectul to Sciascia.

Galante's original decina was split into multiple crews in the 1960s, including multiple in the NYC area and one in Montreal. Sciascia inherited it but not directly from Galante but Vic Cotroni. Montreal used an acting captain with Cotroni/Violi plus Sciascia was barred from Canada so as capodecina he needed LoPresti and later Vito Rizzuto to act for him. Nothing to directly do with Galante.

Also I mistakenly said Vitale couldn't remember LoPresti in 2011, but it was actually the 2014 Asaro trial.

[B.]

Great stuff...could it be that Vito did not necessarily go along with this murder as he was at the funeral and this was another reasoning to continue to detach from the Bonannos? Then the Sciascia would become the final straw of sorts?

I don't know that the Rizzutos have ever been definitively named as suspects in the LoPresti murder but as far as who would be tasked with supervising the murder in Canada on Sciascia's behalf, they'd be top candidates. It's common for a guy's killers to show up at mob funerals and in this case it'd be very suspicious if Rizzuto didn't attend his close paesan's funeral unless they wanted to blatantly signal they carried it out. Sciascia's funeral was attended by his killers for this reason.

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With Montagna trying to take control of Montreal and possibly appoint a new captain it raises the possibility that he also inducted members there before his death.