Eugene Smaldone died

[Moscone65]

Clarence and Clyde. Fuck kind of names are that for Italians?


Pogo

Supposedly clyde is an english equivalent for gaetano. I suppose clyde was a more fitting name at the time than gaetan or guy. As for clarence, im not sure were they got that from but i beleive his real italian name would have been vincenzo. Hence the chauncey nickname which supposedly sounds like "cenzino" a nickname forn vincenzo.

[Pogo The Clown]

I was quoting Paulie Walnuts.


Pogo

[Moscone65]

I was quoting Paulie Walnuts.


Pogo

Lmao, I forgot that quote. I do remember when that guy called him guido and he said that his name was clarence

[Patrickgold]

Pretty sure this is a different Eugene Smaldone who was possibly made. Eugene Smaldone Jr was the one that followed his family into crime. he got involved with gambling and narcotics in the 1970s. He had a deformed hand. This Eugene Smaldone that recently died was a legit high school coach, not a criminal. I looked it up and the picture below is the Eugene Jr that was involved. Notice his deformed hand. I believe he was Eugene’s son or grandson and was born in 1936 and is still alive.

Here is a link to his court cases from 1973

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/smaldone- ... -893177020

This is "Flipper" Smaldone, he was the son of Eugene "Checkers", the guy who eventually became the family's boss towards the end.

It also seems unlikely that he was inducted, given the description of him in the Smaldone book:
flipper smaldone.png

Any idea if he is still alive? Probably shunned by Clyde’s family but not his immediate family. Clyde was actually shunned by his brothers. Supposedly he became an evangelical later in life. There is a possibility he was never made because after he got out of prison in the 60s he had no or little involvement in the criminal organization which shows when he was never listed on any hierarchy list in the 70s and 80s. There is a big possibility that the Smaldone were made sometime in the late 60s.

It is my understanding that all the elder Smaldone brothers, with the exception of Anthony, the restaurateur, were members of the Colorado family. Clyde would have been ~ 56 when he got out of prison and stepped away from organised crime, so I personally don't doubt that he was a member by then - he is carried as one by the FBI in both 1985 and 1993 either way.

From the Smaldone book, on Eugene "Flipper" Jnr:

Checkers was a career criminal, but he loathed drugs and drug dealers. Eventually, he and the rest of the family shunned Young Eugene. The final break came when he told his son, “You get out of my life. I don’t want any part of you. You’re nothing but a dopehead.”

I think a total falling out like this would eliminate any chance of induction, since towards the end of the 1970s (Pueblo leaders Colletti and Spinuzzi were dead by 1975), whatever was left of the powerbase had seemingly shifted to the Denver area and the active Smaldone brothers would have been the ones making membership decisions - at least in theory.

While the interaction is not dated, Young Eugene/Flipper probably had fallen out with his personal family (who pretty much made up the entire LCN one) earlier than the time of his drug case in 1973 and it seems unlikely that he would have been a member for that reason. That is my speculation, at least.

Regarding the last boss, it was Villano who was recognized as the boss by other bosses even into the early 2000s. Kenji Gallo talked about him before saying he was recognized as the boss when he was active into the 90s. I forget the background of his connection to Villano. If anyone remembers please post. Clyde was not active after he got out of prison in the 1960s. Eugene and Clarence were at least into the 90s.

To answer this, Gallo talks about in Breakshot and on his blog, Villano dealt with LA caporegime Luigi Gelfuso over some sort of dispute related to a Las Vegas hotel that both families had an interest in. Gallo met Villano and his nephew (unnamed but since Paulie was already a nephew of the Smaldone family, I doubt it was either of the Eugenes) with Jimmy Caci, Stephen Cino and Gelfuso, who all indicated that he was the "same" as Milano.

Clarence and Clyde. Fuck kind of names are that for Italians?


Pogo

No clue about Clarence by the book had this on Clyde's name:

Gaetan—the diminutive form for Clyde in Italian

He very well could have been shelved. The 1973 involves gambling which makes me believe he was still working for the organization. He was listed as a lieutenant in the police chart. Not sure what year that chart was. Do you know if he is still alive?

The Denver PD chart appears to have been made during the 1960s, prior to 1967/69, given that John Pricco and Charles Blanda are on it. I'm not so sure it really means much that he is listed on it, given that various people on there aren't exactly correctly identified (like Joe Bonanno, Sam Shanks and other non-Italians as "other members", Smaldone brother Anthony who was just a restaurant operator etc).

Eugene Jnr is also pretty consistently referred to as Eugene Louis Smaldone in LE docs from the 1960s and is seemingly not mentioned in this 1976 report as a confirmed or suspected member either:
colorado lcn .png


I have it in my notes that he was still alive last year, I believe Wiseguy had him still being around as well during discussions about Denver in one of the national membership threads.

So was the Eugene Smaldone that was the son of Eugene the one that they were talking about as possibly being made or was it the Eugene Smaldone the son of Clyde that just recently died the one that was possibly made?

[JoePuzzles234]

Pretty sure this is a different Eugene Smaldone who was possibly made. Eugene Smaldone Jr was the one that followed his family into crime. he got involved with gambling and narcotics in the 1970s. He had a deformed hand. This Eugene Smaldone that recently died was a legit high school coach, not a criminal. I looked it up and the picture below is the Eugene Jr that was involved. Notice his deformed hand. I believe he was Eugene’s son or grandson and was born in 1936 and is still alive.

Here is a link to his court cases from 1973

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/smaldone- ... -893177020

This is "Flipper" Smaldone, he was the son of Eugene "Checkers", the guy who eventually became the family's boss towards the end.

It also seems unlikely that he was inducted, given the description of him in the Smaldone book:
flipper smaldone.png

Any idea if he is still alive? Probably shunned by Clyde’s family but not his immediate family. Clyde was actually shunned by his brothers. Supposedly he became an evangelical later in life. There is a possibility he was never made because after he got out of prison in the 60s he had no or little involvement in the criminal organization which shows when he was never listed on any hierarchy list in the 70s and 80s. There is a big possibility that the Smaldone were made sometime in the late 60s.

It is my understanding that all the elder Smaldone brothers, with the exception of Anthony, the restaurateur, were members of the Colorado family. Clyde would have been ~ 56 when he got out of prison and stepped away from organised crime, so I personally don't doubt that he was a member by then - he is carried as one by the FBI in both 1985 and 1993 either way.

From the Smaldone book, on Eugene "Flipper" Jnr:

Checkers was a career criminal, but he loathed drugs and drug dealers. Eventually, he and the rest of the family shunned Young Eugene. The final break came when he told his son, “You get out of my life. I don’t want any part of you. You’re nothing but a dopehead.”

I think a total falling out like this would eliminate any chance of induction, since towards the end of the 1970s (Pueblo leaders Colletti and Spinuzzi were dead by 1975), whatever was left of the powerbase had seemingly shifted to the Denver area and the active Smaldone brothers would have been the ones making membership decisions - at least in theory.

While the interaction is not dated, Young Eugene/Flipper probably had fallen out with his personal family (who pretty much made up the entire LCN one) earlier than the time of his drug case in 1973 and it seems unlikely that he would have been a member for that reason. That is my speculation, at least.

Regarding the last boss, it was Villano who was recognized as the boss by other bosses even into the early 2000s. Kenji Gallo talked about him before saying he was recognized as the boss when he was active into the 90s. I forget the background of his connection to Villano. If anyone remembers please post. Clyde was not active after he got out of prison in the 1960s. Eugene and Clarence were at least into the 90s.

To answer this, Gallo talks about in Breakshot and on his blog, Villano dealt with LA caporegime Luigi Gelfuso over some sort of dispute related to a Las Vegas hotel that both families had an interest in. Gallo met Villano and his nephew (unnamed but since Paulie was already a nephew of the Smaldone family, I doubt it was either of the Eugenes) with Jimmy Caci, Stephen Cino and Gelfuso, who all indicated that he was the "same" as Milano.

Clarence and Clyde. Fuck kind of names are that for Italians?


Pogo

No clue about Clarence by the book had this on Clyde's name:

Gaetan—the diminutive form for Clyde in Italian

He very well could have been shelved. The 1973 involves gambling which makes me believe he was still working for the organization. He was listed as a lieutenant in the police chart. Not sure what year that chart was. Do you know if he is still alive?

The Denver PD chart appears to have been made during the 1960s, prior to 1967/69, given that John Pricco and Charles Blanda are on it. I'm not so sure it really means much that he is listed on it, given that various people on there aren't exactly correctly identified (like Joe Bonanno, Sam Shanks and other non-Italians as "other members", Smaldone brother Anthony who was just a restaurant operator etc).

Eugene Jnr is also pretty consistently referred to as Eugene Louis Smaldone in LE docs from the 1960s and is seemingly not mentioned in this 1976 report as a confirmed or suspected member either:
colorado lcn .png


I have it in my notes that he was still alive last year, I believe Wiseguy had him still being around as well during discussions about Denver in one of the national membership threads.

So was the Eugene Smaldone that was the son of Eugene the one that they were talking about as possibly being made or was it the Eugene Smaldone the son of Clyde that just recently died the one that was possibly made?

There is speculation about both possibly being members - it depends where you look, LE definitely was more towards Eugene Louis Smaldone, the son of Eugene "Checkers", since he was an active criminal.

Clyde's son, the Eugene that just died, was the school coach guy and at times has been thought to be a member

My posts here were basically just the reasons why I doubt that either were inducted at the end of the day - apologies if it is confusing

[Patrickgold]

Pretty sure this is a different Eugene Smaldone who was possibly made. Eugene Smaldone Jr was the one that followed his family into crime. he got involved with gambling and narcotics in the 1970s. He had a deformed hand. This Eugene Smaldone that recently died was a legit high school coach, not a criminal. I looked it up and the picture below is the Eugene Jr that was involved. Notice his deformed hand. I believe he was Eugene’s son or grandson and was born in 1936 and is still alive.

Here is a link to his court cases from 1973

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/smaldone- ... -893177020

This is "Flipper" Smaldone, he was the son of Eugene "Checkers", the guy who eventually became the family's boss towards the end.

It also seems unlikely that he was inducted, given the description of him in the Smaldone book:
flipper smaldone.png

Any idea if he is still alive? Probably shunned by Clyde’s family but not his immediate family. Clyde was actually shunned by his brothers. Supposedly he became an evangelical later in life. There is a possibility he was never made because after he got out of prison in the 60s he had no or little involvement in the criminal organization which shows when he was never listed on any hierarchy list in the 70s and 80s. There is a big possibility that the Smaldone were made sometime in the late 60s.

It is my understanding that all the elder Smaldone brothers, with the exception of Anthony, the restaurateur, were members of the Colorado family. Clyde would have been ~ 56 when he got out of prison and stepped away from organised crime, so I personally don't doubt that he was a member by then - he is carried as one by the FBI in both 1985 and 1993 either way.

From the Smaldone book, on Eugene "Flipper" Jnr:

Checkers was a career criminal, but he loathed drugs and drug dealers. Eventually, he and the rest of the family shunned Young Eugene. The final break came when he told his son, “You get out of my life. I don’t want any part of you. You’re nothing but a dopehead.”

I think a total falling out like this would eliminate any chance of induction, since towards the end of the 1970s (Pueblo leaders Colletti and Spinuzzi were dead by 1975), whatever was left of the powerbase had seemingly shifted to the Denver area and the active Smaldone brothers would have been the ones making membership decisions - at least in theory.

While the interaction is not dated, Young Eugene/Flipper probably had fallen out with his personal family (who pretty much made up the entire LCN one) earlier than the time of his drug case in 1973 and it seems unlikely that he would have been a member for that reason. That is my speculation, at least.

Regarding the last boss, it was Villano who was recognized as the boss by other bosses even into the early 2000s. Kenji Gallo talked about him before saying he was recognized as the boss when he was active into the 90s. I forget the background of his connection to Villano. If anyone remembers please post. Clyde was not active after he got out of prison in the 1960s. Eugene and Clarence were at least into the 90s.

To answer this, Gallo talks about in Breakshot and on his blog, Villano dealt with LA caporegime Luigi Gelfuso over some sort of dispute related to a Las Vegas hotel that both families had an interest in. Gallo met Villano and his nephew (unnamed but since Paulie was already a nephew of the Smaldone family, I doubt it was either of the Eugenes) with Jimmy Caci, Stephen Cino and Gelfuso, who all indicated that he was the "same" as Milano.

Clarence and Clyde. Fuck kind of names are that for Italians?


Pogo

No clue about Clarence by the book had this on Clyde's name:

Gaetan—the diminutive form for Clyde in Italian

He very well could have been shelved. The 1973 involves gambling which makes me believe he was still working for the organization. He was listed as a lieutenant in the police chart. Not sure what year that chart was. Do you know if he is still alive?

The Denver PD chart appears to have been made during the 1960s, prior to 1967/69, given that John Pricco and Charles Blanda are on it. I'm not so sure it really means much that he is listed on it, given that various people on there aren't exactly correctly identified (like Joe Bonanno, Sam Shanks and other non-Italians as "other members", Smaldone brother Anthony who was just a restaurant operator etc).

Eugene Jnr is also pretty consistently referred to as Eugene Louis Smaldone in LE docs from the 1960s and is seemingly not mentioned in this 1976 report as a confirmed or suspected member either:
colorado lcn .png


I have it in my notes that he was still alive last year, I believe Wiseguy had him still being around as well during discussions about Denver in one of the national membership threads.

So was the Eugene Smaldone that was the son of Eugene the one that they were talking about as possibly being made or was it the Eugene Smaldone the son of Clyde that just recently died the one that was possibly made?

There is speculation about both possibly being members - it depends where you look, LE definitely was more towards Eugene Louis Smaldone, the son of Eugene "Checkers", since he was an active criminal.

Clyde's son, the Eugene that just died, was the school coach guy and at times has been thought to be a member

My posts here were basically just the reasons why I doubt that either were inducted at the end of the day - apologies if it is confusing

Interesting. Was Clyde’s son Eugene ever connected to any crimes or listed in any lists? Or was only speculation bc of who his father was. That would be funny if he was made and a high school coach lol

[JoePuzzles234]

Pretty sure this is a different Eugene Smaldone who was possibly made. Eugene Smaldone Jr was the one that followed his family into crime. he got involved with gambling and narcotics in the 1970s. He had a deformed hand. This Eugene Smaldone that recently died was a legit high school coach, not a criminal. I looked it up and the picture below is the Eugene Jr that was involved. Notice his deformed hand. I believe he was Eugene’s son or grandson and was born in 1936 and is still alive.

Here is a link to his court cases from 1973

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/smaldone- ... -893177020

This is "Flipper" Smaldone, he was the son of Eugene "Checkers", the guy who eventually became the family's boss towards the end.

It also seems unlikely that he was inducted, given the description of him in the Smaldone book:
flipper smaldone.png

Any idea if he is still alive? Probably shunned by Clyde’s family but not his immediate family. Clyde was actually shunned by his brothers. Supposedly he became an evangelical later in life. There is a possibility he was never made because after he got out of prison in the 60s he had no or little involvement in the criminal organization which shows when he was never listed on any hierarchy list in the 70s and 80s. There is a big possibility that the Smaldone were made sometime in the late 60s.

It is my understanding that all the elder Smaldone brothers, with the exception of Anthony, the restaurateur, were members of the Colorado family. Clyde would have been ~ 56 when he got out of prison and stepped away from organised crime, so I personally don't doubt that he was a member by then - he is carried as one by the FBI in both 1985 and 1993 either way.

From the Smaldone book, on Eugene "Flipper" Jnr:

Checkers was a career criminal, but he loathed drugs and drug dealers. Eventually, he and the rest of the family shunned Young Eugene. The final break came when he told his son, “You get out of my life. I don’t want any part of you. You’re nothing but a dopehead.”

I think a total falling out like this would eliminate any chance of induction, since towards the end of the 1970s (Pueblo leaders Colletti and Spinuzzi were dead by 1975), whatever was left of the powerbase had seemingly shifted to the Denver area and the active Smaldone brothers would have been the ones making membership decisions - at least in theory.

While the interaction is not dated, Young Eugene/Flipper probably had fallen out with his personal family (who pretty much made up the entire LCN one) earlier than the time of his drug case in 1973 and it seems unlikely that he would have been a member for that reason. That is my speculation, at least.

Regarding the last boss, it was Villano who was recognized as the boss by other bosses even into the early 2000s. Kenji Gallo talked about him before saying he was recognized as the boss when he was active into the 90s. I forget the background of his connection to Villano. If anyone remembers please post. Clyde was not active after he got out of prison in the 1960s. Eugene and Clarence were at least into the 90s.

To answer this, Gallo talks about in Breakshot and on his blog, Villano dealt with LA caporegime Luigi Gelfuso over some sort of dispute related to a Las Vegas hotel that both families had an interest in. Gallo met Villano and his nephew (unnamed but since Paulie was already a nephew of the Smaldone family, I doubt it was either of the Eugenes) with Jimmy Caci, Stephen Cino and Gelfuso, who all indicated that he was the "same" as Milano.

Clarence and Clyde. Fuck kind of names are that for Italians?


Pogo

No clue about Clarence by the book had this on Clyde's name:

Gaetan—the diminutive form for Clyde in Italian

He very well could have been shelved. The 1973 involves gambling which makes me believe he was still working for the organization. He was listed as a lieutenant in the police chart. Not sure what year that chart was. Do you know if he is still alive?

The Denver PD chart appears to have been made during the 1960s, prior to 1967/69, given that John Pricco and Charles Blanda are on it. I'm not so sure it really means much that he is listed on it, given that various people on there aren't exactly correctly identified (like Joe Bonanno, Sam Shanks and other non-Italians as "other members", Smaldone brother Anthony who was just a restaurant operator etc).

Eugene Jnr is also pretty consistently referred to as Eugene Louis Smaldone in LE docs from the 1960s and is seemingly not mentioned in this 1976 report as a confirmed or suspected member either:
colorado lcn .png


I have it in my notes that he was still alive last year, I believe Wiseguy had him still being around as well during discussions about Denver in one of the national membership threads.

So was the Eugene Smaldone that was the son of Eugene the one that they were talking about as possibly being made or was it the Eugene Smaldone the son of Clyde that just recently died the one that was possibly made?

There is speculation about both possibly being members - it depends where you look, LE definitely was more towards Eugene Louis Smaldone, the son of Eugene "Checkers", since he was an active criminal.

Clyde's son, the Eugene that just died, was the school coach guy and at times has been thought to be a member

My posts here were basically just the reasons why I doubt that either were inducted at the end of the day - apologies if it is confusing

Interesting. Was Clyde’s son Eugene ever connected to any crimes or listed in any lists? Or was only speculation bc of who his father was. That would be funny if he was made and a high school coach lol

I don't think he was ever convicted or connected to anything serious, he is not present on any official lists either, apart from the speculative redacted name (almost certainly Paul Villano) on the June 1993 FBI doc.

Agreed, he would not be the first LCN member that had a non-conventional occupation