toto wrote:In fact I doubt the majority of members in America from the 1970s onwards have been part of a murder. From the 1980s onwards the numbers of murders have decreased and so the number of people involved in a murder has decreased as well and since the ban on murders in New York ended in 1997 or 1998 there has not been many murders at all. I don't think the majority have been involved in even 1 murder. Most of the guys involved in murder have been jailed because of the amount of people who flipped. If so many were involved in murder there would be more in jail.
That's why the premise is false in the first post that most of these guys are killers. In America its not the case and its because of the heavy jail sentences. For most murders somebody flips and the others go to jail.
Toto, I'm not trying to have a debate with you. I should have been more specific and said the generation of Gambino, Genovese, Profaci, Bonanno, Columbo, Costello, Accardo etc. and having knowledge of a murder without reporting it could result in an indictment for accessory or harboring. Murder was prevalent for a solid period of time in those days. Again, I'm not trying to argue, just spinning a hypothetical.
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rayray wrote:Wasn't the ..."bring him back alive just to kill him again..." quote Salvie Testa's? I thought he said that about Narducci for ordering his fathers murder.
I thought that Fat Anthony Dinunzio made that statement on tape with a member of NYC Gambino Family after he was appointed acting boss of New England?
Phil Leonetti says that he said it in his book. It has also bee attributed to Salvie Testa in I think Blood and Honor and elsewhere.
It's probably just a stock phrase among mobsters that gets recycled.
I think you're right because I believe the Crow Caramandi said it about Salvie Testa years ago in a interview, in fact I'm fairly certain it was the Crow. That's not to say others have not said it too.
I haven't read the Leonetti book, does a lot of it come across self-serving? Cause, imho, that's the way he comes across in his interviews, especially when he starts talking about his uncle. The guy has no issues killing about 10 people, gets caught and now about thirty years down the road his uncle is a psycho killer. Didn't that come across earlier to the guy?
rayray wrote:
I haven't read the Leonetti book, does a lot of it come across self-serving? Cause, imho, that's the way he comes across in his interviews, especially when he starts talking about his uncle. The guy has no issues killing about 10 people, gets caught and now about thirty years down the road his uncle is a psycho killer. Didn't that come across earlier to the guy?
Yeah, it's kind of self-serving. Lots of good info though. Especially the parts about Scarfo maneuvering into the boss's seat - the guy is always ten steps ahead of everyone.
Phil is a sociopath in my non-professional opinion.
rayray wrote:
I haven't read the Leonetti book, does a lot of it come across self-serving? Cause, imho, that's the way he comes across in his interviews, especially when he starts talking about his uncle. The guy has no issues killing about 10 people, gets caught and now about thirty years down the road his uncle is a psycho killer. Didn't that come across earlier to the guy?
Yeah, it's kind of self-serving. Lots of good info though. Especially the parts about Scarfo maneuvering into the boss's seat - the guy is always ten steps ahead of everyone.
Phil is a sociopath in my non-professional opinion.
Amazing how sorry people are after they are caught fuck he laughed about that shop keeper killing himself instead of answering the door
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