Must still today the little families ask NY the ok to made new members?

[furiofromnaples]

The other families out NY must send the papers with the names of proposed members?
Still exist the ban for the DeCavalcantes to induct men in NY?

[AntComello]

I just got a headache trying to read this

[furiofromnaples]

I just got a headache trying to read this

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[gohnjotti]

The other families out NY must send the papers with the names of proposed members?
Still exist the ban for the DeCavalcantes to induct men in NY?

Yes they still pass around lists, or so I believe. At least they did in the 2000s. I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

But as far as I know, for traditional making ceremonies, they either write up or type lists with the inductee’s name corresponding with the dead person they’re supposed to be replacing.

[Pogo The Clown]

The list thing was only among the NY families. As a courtesy Philly would pass a list if they were making someone from North Jersey but this was not required according to George Frselone. As for getting permission from NY that hasn't been a thing since the 1970s. At least for Philly and most likely NE. Chicago never needed permission from NY.


Pogo

[Tonyd621]

Yes, but it's not the old days. Now instead of running your name across the country on a piece paper, the Commission has a group Chat set up and once the member is confirmed they all hop on zoom to do the making ceremony.

[johnny_scootch]

I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

You don't need administration members to make someone. Plenty of examples of Captains running induction ceremonies (Genovese do it all the time) and there are examples of lowly soldiers doing it also.

Ralph DeLeo made Vito Guzzo and he was just a soldier but he had permission to do it and that's all that matters.

I just got a headache trying to read this

HA! I read Furio's posts with my Grandfathers voice and accent in my head and it makes it easier!

[PolackTony]

The list thing was only among the NY families. As a courtesy Philly would pass a list if they were making someone from North Jersey but this was not required according to George Frselone. As for getting permission from NY that hasn't been a thing since the 1970s. At least for Philly and most likely NE. Chicago never needed permission from NY.


Pogo

My guess has been that at least through the 80s, Chicago probably notified their Commission peers that they were inducting new members (as Marcello did for NOLA in the 60s, for example), at least after the fact, as a gesture of respect.

I’d also imagine that the Families that Chicago represented notified Chicago in the same fashion that Philly and NE notified NYC, though we don’t have any accounts detailing what the process would’ve been or if they had to ask Chicago permission to do so (Maniaci hinted that Milwaukee needed Chicago’s permission to clip a member, so it’s possible they notified Chicago when they planned to induct members, at least as a courtesy. These Families also rarely made guys, so it was presumably a big deal when they did).

[PolackTony]

I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

You don't need administration members to make someone. Plenty of examples of Captains running induction ceremonies (Genovese do it all the time) and there are examples of lowly soldiers doing it also.

Ralph DeLeo made Vito Guzzo and he was just a soldier but he had permission to do it and that's all that matters.

I just got a headache trying to read this

HA! I read Furio's posts with my Grandfathers voice and accent in my head and it makes it easier!

What specific instances have been documented where a soldier presided over an induction? As I suppose that technically any member, if they are the highest-ranking member available in a given location, could be seen as a representative of their Family and the “fraternity” as a whole, I could see it being possible, but was just curious what examples exist.

Also, it works for me to read Furio’s comments as Furio Giunta himself lol.

[Pmac2]

Who gave Ralph DeLeo permission you have to wonder. He was close to Allie boy who I don't think even runs the family besides he blood family

[TallGuy19]

I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

You don't need administration members to make someone. Plenty of examples of Captains running induction ceremonies (Genovese do it all the time) and there are examples of lowly soldiers doing it also.

Ralph DeLeo made Vito Guzzo and he was just a soldier but he had permission to do it and that's all that matters.

I just got a headache trying to read this

HA! I read Furio's posts with my Grandfathers voice and accent in my head and it makes it easier!

What specific instances have been documented where a soldier presided over an induction? As I suppose that technically any member, if they are the highest-ranking member available in a given location, could be seen as a representative of their Family and the “fraternity” as a whole, I could see it being possible, but was just curious what examples exist.

Also, it works for me to read Furio’s comments as Furio Giunta himself lol.

I'm pretty sure Damiano Zummo was a soldier when he inducted Enzo Morena into the Bonannos. It was initially reported that he was an acting capo, but I remember hearing that he was actually promoted shortly after the ceremony.

Joey Merlino was a soldier when he inducted Natale.

[PolackTony]

I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

You don't need administration members to make someone. Plenty of examples of Captains running induction ceremonies (Genovese do it all the time) and there are examples of lowly soldiers doing it also.

Ralph DeLeo made Vito Guzzo and he was just a soldier but he had permission to do it and that's all that matters.

I just got a headache trying to read this

HA! I read Furio's posts with my Grandfathers voice and accent in my head and it makes it easier!

What specific instances have been documented where a soldier presided over an induction? As I suppose that technically any member, if they are the highest-ranking member available in a given location, could be seen as a representative of their Family and the “fraternity” as a whole, I could see it being possible, but was just curious what examples exist.

Also, it works for me to read Furio’s comments as Furio Giunta himself lol.

I'm pretty sure Damiano Zummo was a soldier when he inducted Enzo Morena into the Bonannos. It was initially reported that he was an acting capo, but I remember hearing that he was actually promoted shortly after the ceremony.

Joey Merlino was a soldier when he inducted Natale.

Thanks. Wasn’t Domenico Violi present at Dummo’s ceremony as well? Not the same Family, but a sottocapo, still. Hadn’t even thought of Merlino/Natale, as I’ve always thought of it as Merlino making Natale under his own authority as a rival faction to Stanfa’s authority.

[furiofromnaples]

The list thing was only among the NY families. As a courtesy Philly would pass a list if they were making someone from North Jersey but this was not required according to George Frselone. As for getting permission from NY that hasn't been a thing since the 1970s. At least for Philly and most likely NE. Chicago never needed permission from NY.


Pogo

So they can inducting as many members they want? Even 10 members in a year? Im speaking of the east coast small families.

[gohnjotti]

I don’t know about today, in 2023, because John Pennisi said the Colombos made Vito Guzzo in prison and I don’t really know how that works with no administration members in there to make him.

You don't need administration members to make someone. Plenty of examples of Captains running induction ceremonies (Genovese do it all the time) and there are examples of lowly soldiers doing it also.

Ralph DeLeo made Vito Guzzo and he was just a soldier but he had permission to do it and that's all that matters.

I just got a headache trying to read this

HA! I read Furio's posts with my Grandfathers voice and accent in my head and it makes it easier!

Thanks. In the Colombo family specifically there are very few examples of making ceremonies happening without administration present.

[SonnyBlackstein]

I'm pretty sure Damiano Zummo was a soldier

Zummo et al were arrested Nov 9th 2017.

Russo and Zummo were both charged with selling 500g ($40k) coke from Zummo's gelateria. Russo plead to min 5yr and could appeal anything more. Cant find anything in BOP.

BOP has Zummo released on 1/19/2018.

Cant find any record of Zummo's sentencing.

Anyone have any idea's?