Mafioso v Mafioso Savages

[JCB1977]

In most cases, mobsters are killers, no question. But I've often thought about the minority of made members who were savages...they enjoyed killing and often went overboard or got enjoyment out of it. I thought we'd come up with a list of Made "savages" that is accurate with sources behind it, no heresay.

The four that come to mind off the top of my head are:

Albert Anastasia
Nicky Scarfo
Roy Demeo
Sam DeStefano

[Pogo The Clown]

Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso


Pogo

[rayray]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

I would think Anthony Casso and Thomas Pitera could make the list, even though, imho, I think a lot of the things about Pitera was bs. I would also add DeMeo's Gemini Twins even though they were not made when they worked for DeMeo, not sure if Senter was ever made?

[rayray]

What about Johnny Dio? Anyone ordering acid thrown in someone's face is a little savagely aggressive.

Richard the boot Boiardo, if the furnace was true.

Charles Carneglia, didn't he keep trophy body parts or liked to use acid?

Frank Calabrese seemed to like to kill a little too much, wasn't he upset he wasn't called upon to help out with the Spilotro murders?

[Ivan]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

Agreed. He was more "ultra hard core Cosa Nostra" than "psycho" if that makes sense. He was mostly reacting to an era and environment that were already extremely dangerous and violent by the time he took over.

[Dwalin2014]

I would also list the whole crew that did the "work" on William "Action" Jackson in Chicago. I mean, doing what they did for THREE [censored] days! They must have had pretty solid stomachs apart from being savage.

[Dwalin2014]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

Agreed. He was more "ultra hard core Cosa Nostra" than "psycho" if that makes sense. He was mostly reacting to an era and environment that were already extremely dangerous and violent by the time he took over.

But if that story about the Falcone murder is true, when he got drunk near the body and said "I love it!" or something like that, then he would qualify as crazy or savage imo. That kind of behavior goes overboard compared to simply being a "professional" killer.

[Ivan]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

Agreed. He was more "ultra hard core Cosa Nostra" than "psycho" if that makes sense. He was mostly reacting to an era and environment that were already extremely dangerous and violent by the time he took over.

But if that story about the Falcone murder is true, when he got drunk near the body and said "I love it!" or something like that, then he would qualify as crazy or savage imo. That kind of behavior goes overboard compared to simply being a "professional" killer.

Kind of splitting hairs here, but that quote is him talking about how he's glad that Faclone is gone, not that he got off on killing him. Kind of a fine distinction though.

[Chucky]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

Agreed. He was more "ultra hard core Cosa Nostra" than "psycho" if that makes sense. He was mostly reacting to an era and environment that were already extremely dangerous and violent by the time he took over.

But if that story about the Falcone murder is true, when he got drunk near the body and said "I love it!" or something like that, then he would qualify as crazy or savage imo. That kind of behavior goes overboard compared to simply being a "professional" killer.

Kind of splitting hairs here, but that quote is him talking about how he's glad that Faclone is gone, not that he got off on killing him. Kind of a fine distinction though.

"The big shot is dead!"

[Ivan]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

Agreed. He was more "ultra hard core Cosa Nostra" than "psycho" if that makes sense. He was mostly reacting to an era and environment that were already extremely dangerous and violent by the time he took over.

But if that story about the Falcone murder is true, when he got drunk near the body and said "I love it!" or something like that, then he would qualify as crazy or savage imo. That kind of behavior goes overboard compared to simply being a "professional" killer.

Kind of splitting hairs here, but that quote is him talking about how he's glad that Faclone is gone, not that he got off on killing him. Kind of a fine distinction though.

"The big shot is dead!"

I like Leonetti's statement to Joe Salerno even better: "Joe, this guy was a no good motherfucker. I wish I could bring him back to life so I could kill him again."

[Chucky]

For what it's worth, I don't think Scarfo was anymore a "savage" than Stanfa or Merlino, they dropped plenty of bodies in their own right.

[Ivan]

For what it's worth, I don't think Scarfo was anymore a "savage" than Stanfa or Merlino, they dropped plenty of bodies in their own right.

Yeah, Phil Testa was pretty bad too. Angelo Bruno was also kind of violent, he just spread it out more.

I was thinking Stanfa might be the worst of the whole bunch, if you go by the number of hits, relative to the size of the family and the amount of time involved.

[rayray]

Wasn't the ..."bring him back alive just to kill him again..." quote Salvie Testa's? I thought he said that about Narducci for ordering his fathers murder.

[JCB1977]

I agree with everyone on that list except Scarfo, if you tune out the noise and read about the guy he always seemed to follow lcn protocol. The guy was definitely a throwback and killer but I don't know if I would classify him as a Mafioso Savage. He took over a family in chaos and was boss of a bunch of people who didn't want to listen to the new Philly administration.

I would think Anthony Casso and Thomas Pitera could make the list, even though, imho, I think a lot of the things about Pitera was bs. I would also add DeMeo's Gemini Twins even though they were not made when they worked for DeMeo, not sure if Senter was ever made?

I respectfully disagree in regards to Scarfo. It has been documented that he "got off" on killing...as did Anastasia. Paranoia = Delusional, psychopathic killer.

[JCB1977]

What about Johnny Dio? Anyone ordering acid thrown in someone's face is a little savagely aggressive.

Richard the boot Boiardo, if the furnace was true.

Charles Carneglia, didn't he keep trophy body parts or liked to use acid?

Frank Calabrese seemed to like to kill a little too much, wasn't he upset he wasn't called upon to help out with the Spilotro murders?

**I am sorry to say that I don't know Johnny Dio. And if he threw acid on somebodys face, did that person have it coming? If somebody raped my daughter and I threw acid down their throat, it doesn't make me a savage...it makes me temporarily insane. A Savage repeats their behavior or increases their behavior with each additional kill. What I mean by a savage is somebody who enjoyed being there, watching their victims, overkill, dismemberment etc.