Seems for the last 15-20 years or even more that we've been on here, the debate that comes upi often is whether to give more credence to what the paperwork that the NYPD and fbi disseminate VS what posters purport to be first hand knowledge ( i believe 75%)
The best source is probably Defense Attorneys. They probably feed capeci information along w the rest of the media. They know far more about what's really going on than anyone
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Johnny1and1
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The best sources are wire taps and intercepted written communications. Even with these one needs to put things together and make assumptions. At that point the decision is whose assumptions do you trust?
After that every other source, including the Feds, aren't 100% reliable. Things are different in different cities, different famiglia, different crews.
There are items in the Fed's press releases that are clearly not true, and incorrect things in their indictments.
I'd direct you to this video:
https://af11.wordpress.com/page/21/?s=m ... ind+%C2%BB
I'm not a fan of podcasts and people who talk too much but I watched the above video. It is reflective of some things I know to be true, and some of the thought processes. But again, just because I know it to be true doesn't mean it is true outside of my limited first hand experience. The other takeaway is that the Fed's press release on this is embellished, exaggerated, and in some cases not factual. One guy threatened a gambler. Kind of. It's b.s. Mostly they just cut guys off and spread the word. But they got one idiot on tape, and they ran with it. I had a guy into me for $26K. The people that mattered knew about it. We didn't do that stuff. We tried to collect, and tried to collect not using telephone. But you don't chase $26K risking an ongoing stream of revenue. Unless you're stupid, and that does exist. Just not as often as the Feds would like you to believe.
I've said it on here before. It's a pyramid. 10% earn 90%. Like every other business including the one I own today. In that 10% most are pretty smart with some rare exceptions. It's the other 70% - 90% that make headlines the most often. At the bottom guys are barley getting by. The smart ones in the lower half learn quickly to latch on to an earner and find a job. If not, they stay broke and eventually get pinched.
With respect to poeple on the board, and based on what I've read on here, there are guys that know what they're talking about from personal experience. I can tell that. There are also guys on here that are gifted researchers. Where it grows cloudily is when some of these guys draw conclusions and speculate. In other words they post their conclusions as fact, and their conclusions are drawn entirely from sources that aren't 100% accurate. They are to be ignored. Almost all the podcasts are exaggerations and embellished. Fed press releases are filled with works of fiction. The life is secret. No one really knows.
After that every other source, including the Feds, aren't 100% reliable. Things are different in different cities, different famiglia, different crews.
There are items in the Fed's press releases that are clearly not true, and incorrect things in their indictments.
I'd direct you to this video:
https://af11.wordpress.com/page/21/?s=m ... ind+%C2%BB
I'm not a fan of podcasts and people who talk too much but I watched the above video. It is reflective of some things I know to be true, and some of the thought processes. But again, just because I know it to be true doesn't mean it is true outside of my limited first hand experience. The other takeaway is that the Fed's press release on this is embellished, exaggerated, and in some cases not factual. One guy threatened a gambler. Kind of. It's b.s. Mostly they just cut guys off and spread the word. But they got one idiot on tape, and they ran with it. I had a guy into me for $26K. The people that mattered knew about it. We didn't do that stuff. We tried to collect, and tried to collect not using telephone. But you don't chase $26K risking an ongoing stream of revenue. Unless you're stupid, and that does exist. Just not as often as the Feds would like you to believe.
I've said it on here before. It's a pyramid. 10% earn 90%. Like every other business including the one I own today. In that 10% most are pretty smart with some rare exceptions. It's the other 70% - 90% that make headlines the most often. At the bottom guys are barley getting by. The smart ones in the lower half learn quickly to latch on to an earner and find a job. If not, they stay broke and eventually get pinched.
With respect to poeple on the board, and based on what I've read on here, there are guys that know what they're talking about from personal experience. I can tell that. There are also guys on here that are gifted researchers. Where it grows cloudily is when some of these guys draw conclusions and speculate. In other words they post their conclusions as fact, and their conclusions are drawn entirely from sources that aren't 100% accurate. They are to be ignored. Almost all the podcasts are exaggerations and embellished. Fed press releases are filled with works of fiction. The life is secret. No one really knows.
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FriendofHenry
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You know when a Defense Attorney is lying - when his lips are moving
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If it ever got out that Defense Attorneys were leaking info to Capeci, it would ruin their practice and potentially lead to legal implications.
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PolackTony
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The only info that I believe is from guys who spend 12 hours a day playing joker poker at "gaming parlors" in Stone Park.
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If you notice, the guys with real street connections don't really care when someone has a different opinion. They hear what they hear and know what they know and that's that. They enjoy the subject like we do and know better than anyone that what they hear on the street isn't always 100% right.
The guys who get really upset when someone doesn't agree with their bold claims are the ones who are almost always lying.
The guys who get really upset when someone doesn't agree with their bold claims are the ones who are almost always lying.
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This ^B. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:17 pm If you notice, the guys with real street connections don't really care when someone has a different opinion. They hear what they hear and know what they know and that's that. They enjoy the subject like we do and know better than anyone that what they hear on the street isn't always 100% right.
The guys who get really upset when someone doesn't agree with their bold claims are the ones who are almost always lying.
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Pogo The Clown
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So the same people who say with a straight face that the mob doesn't exist are now the best source for info on the mob. 
Yeah and John Gotti really was just a plumbing supplies salesman and Chin Gigante was really just a feebleminded crazy old man.
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Yeah and John Gotti really was just a plumbing supplies salesman and Chin Gigante was really just a feebleminded crazy old man.
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Why would a defence attorney, whose job is to deny the Mafia and discredit the government’s allegations, be trusted as a source on how the Mafia operates?
Also, why would a defence attorney know anything more about the Mafia than whatever the FBI/prosecutors are alleging about their defendant? Some of these attorneys, like Matthew Mari and John Meringolo, were pretty close to their defendants. Mari was a close friend of the Persicos and visited the Saugerties estate frequently. And Meringolo was historically a go-to mob lawyer, and also passed messages from some of the defendants in the 2008 Gioeli case.
But again, if asked, these attorneys would probably look you in the eye and tell you the Mafia doesn’t exist, or at least that their clients aren’t associated.
Also, why would a defence attorney know anything more about the Mafia than whatever the FBI/prosecutors are alleging about their defendant? Some of these attorneys, like Matthew Mari and John Meringolo, were pretty close to their defendants. Mari was a close friend of the Persicos and visited the Saugerties estate frequently. And Meringolo was historically a go-to mob lawyer, and also passed messages from some of the defendants in the 2008 Gioeli case.
But again, if asked, these attorneys would probably look you in the eye and tell you the Mafia doesn’t exist, or at least that their clients aren’t associated.
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newera_212
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I don't want to dox the lawyer and inadvertently dox myself as well, but I know a defense attorney who has leaked info to Capeci in the past. Specific example I am referring to wasn't anything groundbreaking or anything that would hurt the case, which ultimately ended up being a plea deal anyway (but aren't most of them these days lol). Also heard from this person that other lawyers have done the same thing. Take it with a huge grain of salt if you want because I realize I'm a faceless guy on the internet passing along second hand info...understandable... but basically I know a lawyer personally who has been a source for a GL article at least once, and they also named a couple others in confidence who have done the same thing in the past. None of this was recent though.
Too lazy to drudge up specific examples but there are a lot of articles on the column where it reads like the info clearly came from a lawyer. This isn't really a bad thing - sometimes it's something like an update on a court appearance or what's going on with a guy while he's in MCC/MDC pre-trial. When those Queens Genovese guys were caught up in trying to kill Joseph Bonelli, Capeci reported that one of them had their bail revoked at court like 2 days prior and was remanded - I'd bet $$$ that info came from one of the attorneys who was there
I don't buy the lawyers-are-untrustworthy thing when it comes to Capeci and Gangland. Yeah they are capable of putting info out there that makes the client look good (or prosecution look bad) to try and get something going in the client's favor - but Gangland doesn't even really have the reach and readership for something like that to be impactful IMO
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I agree newera, I have noticed Gang Land has a lot of sources from people “close to the case”. Probably prosecutors too trying to leak stuff to media.