Joseph cammarano jnr

[TommyGambino]

I don't know if it's Joe C to be exact, but I have mentioned the power structure being that of Long Island & Queens. Glen Cove was one of the places in particular where I mentioned there being an obvious presence of these guys. I personally don't think he'll last too long, and I think he's holding the seat for someone else, and it isn't Mancuso.

He's Brooklyn, and people have been talking about the power being in LI and Queens for the last year or two on the forums, nothing new.

He's from Brooklyn and came up with those guys, but he's currently based in Long Island, and has more than a couple of those guys around him. I still don't think anyone is taking orders from Mancuso. The article simply says, which is DailyNews by the way, which has been proven inaccurate in the past, that Mancuso was okay with the decision. He might've been, however that's a far way from saying he's the boss and he okayed it. But believe whatever you guys may like.

You mean he lives in Long Island? He took over his father's crew, which was always Brooklyn based.

When did I say anything about Mancuso okaying it? Please tell me, if anything I'd have to agree with you that Mancuso doesn't call the shots but that's just a guess.

For the record, he barely uses his fathers social club these days, he's commonly seen throughout Glen Cove, and that's all times of the day. Not disagreeing with you, but what I've seen, if he is conducting any "business", it's in Long Island, with Long Island guys around him. Therefore would it not be fair, to say he's more Long Island based, as of today?

And I didn't say YOU personally said anything about Mancuso, but that seems to be the discussion going on right now. Am I wrong?

Where have you got all this from?

[Pogo The Clown]

Well I've never said jack shit about Gotti-Corrozo, D'Amico-Corrozo, Tommy Gioeli, Sal Montagna, John Riggi etc.

So you're not talking to me.

No I'm just pointing out how far back these types of discussions go. The pattern is always the same. X is reported as the Boss/Acting Boss of a given family. This is followed by the fresh street talk about how X is not the Boss/Acting Boss. The same rational is always used, X is not respected, X is in prison, no way so and so will take orders from X, the power is in such and such faction, etc. The fresh street more often than not becomes the accepted view of the forums until such time as further info comes out disproving the fresh street talk. Rinse and repeat.


You'd figure after being proven wrong again and again and again over a 10 year period people will stop taking the fresh street talk seriously but the pattern never fails. Now we just have to wait until new info comes out to once again disprove the fresh street talk.


Pogo

[Chucky]

Christ, I forgot about all the Corozzo shit...

[Lupara]

And Lupara: the only fool is he who has a closed mind. Let's hope that's not you

The ones who feel offended are the guilty ones.

[Pogo The Clown]

Christ, I forgot about all the Corozzo shit...

I heard he doesn't even let his guy's put Sambuca in their coffee.


Pogo

[moneyman]

In regards to "fresh street talk" I think it would be better if posters referenced where they heard this particular information, "PB said this on GangersterBB a couple of months ago" perhaps provide a link. Lots of posters spend countless hours researching primary sources so it seems only appropriate to at least source where you heard the speculated information.

[Snakes]

In regards to "fresh street talk" I think it would be better if posters referenced where they heard this particular information, "PB said this on GangersterBB a couple of months ago" perhaps provide a link. Lots of posters spend countless hours researching primary sources so it seems only appropriate to at least source where you heard the speculated information.

Agreed. What if someone comes along and thinks it's a legitimate source? Not to disparage PB or Bronx because they offer great insight and don't pretend to be the be-all, end-all for information, but people spouting less reliable stuff heard from message board posters can eventually become fact. Laugh all you want, but we all snicker at Wikipedia mistakes but they had their genesis in the same type of secondhand gossip being passed off as legit intel by posters on forums, Facebook groups, and comments sections of various Internet repositories.

[Snakes]

I also think there is a problem with people taking information given by guys like PB and Bronx and recycling it as 100% correct information, when those two individuals are just giving their own perspective on how things look to them. I don't mean to speak for them, but PB could make a post saying everything he hears would show that Crea is the go-to guy on the streets and is the #1 guy and that information is reposted by others as, well, Crea is the boss. Period.

To give an example, just take a look an ANP. In my opinion, that site did incalculable damage to what we know about the Outfit, both past and present, and while it got me interested in trying to learn more about the Outfit, it also planted "facts" into my understanding of the Outfit which I later on found out were no more than bullshit. It took me years to filter out the shit from the salad. Go back and read some of those topics and it's unbelievable how much speculation was passed off as fact by some of those posters. When the Family Secrets stuff came out, some of those posters heads' exploded because the facts flew in the face of what they believed was correct. Of course, they countered by saying that Nick was lying, etc., but it really should have damaged their credibility a lot more than it did.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And Lupara: the only fool is he who has a closed mind. Let's hope that's not you

The ones who feel offended are the guilty ones.

A cute saying but incorrect.

I'm 'offended' because I'm trying to carry an adult discussion and its frustrating and childish for the opposing contention to resort to name calling instead of arguing the point.

It doesn't serve the discussion and certainly not your point.

Either discuss the topic, or don't. But exercise some maturity either way.

[HairyKnuckles]

Both sides of the point have valid arguments. But the thing is, if you don´t agree with someone, please explain why, and/or try to prove them wrong. It is that simple. If you can´t prove them wrong, at least you can do is post why you believe they´re wrong. A big mistake, made by many posters, is when somebody argues the point without having any base for their point. Not saying this was done in this case, just generally speaking here.

As for EB, I don´t think there has ever been a better and more reliable "street guy" poster on these forums. He has been around and he knows his stuff. Now, does this mean that he is always correct? No, it doesn´t. All kinds of posters are certainly needed around these forums and that brings balance to the boards. Otherwise, all opinions would be one sided. And how fun would that be, on a discussion forum on the Mafia none of us have ever been part of?

Sonny, mayby I haven´t been following this thread that closely, but I don´t see anyone have resorted to name calling in this particular thread. Perhaps I´m misunderstanding, but if that is the case, you all know what we moderators (and Solai) feel about that.

[Snakes]

As for EB, I don´t think there has ever been a better and more reliable "street guy" poster on these forums. He has been around and he knows his stuff. Now, does this mean that he is always correct? No, it doesn´t. All kinds of posters are certainly needed around these forums and that brings balance to the boards. Otherwise, all opinions would be one sided. And how fun would that be, on a discussion forum on the Mafia none of us have ever been part of?

Pretty much my thoughts, exactly.

[Lupara]

And Lupara: the only fool is he who has a closed mind. Let's hope that's not you

The ones who feel offended are the guilty ones.

A cute saying but incorrect.

I'm 'offended' because I'm trying to carry an adult discussion and its frustrating and childish for the opposing contention to resort to name calling instead of arguing the point.

It doesn't serve the discussion and certainly not your point.

Either discuss the topic, or don't. But exercise some maturity either way.

How ironic, since you started the name calling with that sarcastic remark. I wasn't naming anybody in particular. And for the record, I wasn't even referring to you even though you are making a fool of yourself by clearly feeling personally offended.

[joeycigars]

Inside the Bonanno crime family's Staten Island 2015 Christmas party
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc ... -1.2503900

It was a “family” Christmas.

The newly minted Bonanno boss Joseph Cammarano Jr., hosted the crime family's annual Christmas party at an Italian restaurant on Staten Island that was voted one of the best eateries in the city by the Zagat guide.

The six-hour food fest was held from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Dec. 16 at Bocelli Restaurant on Hylan Blvd. under the watchful eyes and cameras of the FBI and the NYPD, according to papers filed in Brooklyn Federal Court.



It was mandatory attendance for the crime family's administration, which included reputed consigliere Anthony Rabito and more than a dozen capos and soldiers, the court filings say.

The Old World-style restaurant is located in a strip mall, but the Zagat guide praised the upscale food at Manhattan prices.

At the Christmas party, underlings gave family boss Joseph Cammarano Jr. envelopes stuffed with cash.

At the Christmas party, underlings gave family boss Joseph Cammarano Jr. envelopes stuffed with cash.
A Mafia family Christmas party is held so the mob minions make a pilgrimage to the boss and give him an envelope stuffed with cash.

Former boss Joseph Massino used to hold the party in his restaurant, Casablanca, in Queens.



Cammarano, 56, controls the family's "day-to-day criminal activities," according to court papers.
Cammarano's promotion to acting underboss and street boss, exclusively reported Monday in The Daily News, is a sign that the beleaguered family is trying to rebuild after the prosecutions and defections of its members in recent years.

Bocelli's owner did not return a call seeking comment about the Christmas party

[Wiseguy]

Ivy if it were simply which source to believe, all else being equal, then of course. Feds v Board speculators, Feds win hands down.

But thats not the only factor to consider.

There are very logical reasons to hold suspicion on either Amuso and/or Mancuso. And its this illogical-ness (perceived or not) which is reason that, in an area not set in stone (informants, secret society, guesswork, misinformation, wire-tickling etc etc) that justifies questioning current information when it appears unjustified.

With a lack of rats, nothing can be certain. And even then, rats can be subjective, motivated.

So if something appears contrary to common sense, without a preponderance of evidence one way or the other, questioning is perfectly acceptable.

Why is that so difficult to accept?

But this logic and common sense is based on speculation itself, ie Mancuso can't possibly be boss because there's no Bonanno power base left in the Bronx. But how did everyone arrive at this belief? More speculation and people making this claim when they are in no position to know that. And, no, simply living in or near the Bronx does not magically afford someone insight into a secret criminal organization they aren't a part of.

Again, people can be excused a little if indeed it's only been the Daily News that's reported Montagna as the boss. But why give the benefit of the doubt to speculation over those articles? And as I've said, I think we all know many of the same people would still not believe it even if Mancuso was indicted as the boss next week.

You're like a broken record on this subject WiseGuy,. Everyone knows you're opinion, yet you just won't stop. At the very least you say it once a week.

It's ironic that you should say that because people like you, who have a history of believing Internet forum gossip and speculation so readily, are the reason I have to stay on this soap box. If at least a few posters on these forums, like Pogo or myself, don't keep things grounded in reality by deferring to the best sources and known facts, the bullshit gets high and deep real quick. I've seen it happen over and over again. And there are people who are fine with that because they prefer to live in that Mafia game fantasy I was talking about.

In regards to "fresh street talk" I think it would be better if posters referenced where they heard this particular information, "PB said this on GangersterBB a couple of months ago" perhaps provide a link. Lots of posters spend countless hours researching primary sources so it seems only appropriate to at least source where you heard the speculated information.

I like and respect PB (East Bronx) as much as anyone. As I said on the other board, he's one of the handful of posters who I think has provided some legit insight among the dozens of pretenders over the years. But even much of what he says, and I think he would admit this, is just guesswork on his part. Maybe a little more informed and educated guesswork, but guesswork all the same. But people take what he, bronx, or some other poster says and then turn around and present it as the Gospel truth.

In regards to posters saying where they heard info, there are two types.

Some are intentionally vague because it gives the impression they are privy to street talk, when in reality they are just regurgitating what they read on a forum, in an article, blog, etc. Or its just speculation on their part but they want to give it more weight.

Others may indeed have heard something but they virtually always refuse to divulge how they heard it and from who. They usually act like it's sensitive info they don't want to divulge, like naming someone could actually have any significant effect or repercussion in the real world. I suspect that's a load of crap 99% of the time.

[TommyGambino]

Would be interesting to know who the underboss and consigiliere are