Tough Tony Federici Died

[SonnyBlackstein]

People who were born in 1940 are generally quite different from people born after 1970 or especially 1980. (1980 is in my opinion the real tipping point for a change from a kind of "hard" American to "soft" American, if that makes sense. Of course there are many exceptions to this.)

2050s and 2060s I imagine will be the real twilight of the American Cosa Nostra even in New York. Guys born in the 70s will be in their 70s and 80s then.

This will all be fascinating to watch.

100%

[slimshady_007]

LCN is going to look a lot different 10 years from now with all the old time heavyweights that have passed within the last few years and will continue to.

I agree.

[slimshady_007]

Some other short-timers to watch are the ones below, all at least 85 or above...

Pasquale Conte is also still with us, last time I checked. Will be 100 soon.

LCN is going to look a lot different 10 years from now with all the old time heavyweights that have passed within the last few years and will continue to.

To me this is the most important dynamic in the mob right now. Not just look different but be different in character. People who were born in 1940 are generally quite different from people born after 1970 or especially 1980. (1980 is in my opinion the real tipping point for a change from a kind of "hard" American to "soft" American, if that makes sense. Of course there are many exceptions to this.)

2050s and 2060s I imagine will be the real twilight of the American Cosa Nostra even in New York. Guys born in the 70s will be in their 70s and 80s then.

This will all be fascinating to watch.

Nice post. I think the older LCN generation, esp the immigrants, went through way more financial hardships than the Generation X wiseguys. The guys born from the 70’s-present more than likely come from a middle class background, at the very least. Regardless, there’s always going to be some young naïve Italian American who commits to the life.

[newera_212]

To me this is the most important dynamic in the mob right now. Not just look different but be different in character. People who were born in 1940 are generally quite different from people born after 1970 or especially 1980. (1980 is in my opinion the real tipping point for a change from a kind of "hard" American to "soft" American, if that makes sense. Of course there are many exceptions to this.)

Yeah earlier in the thread someone asked how much prison time he'd done and I don't think it was any in his adult life, but I am like 50% sure may have done a little time at a reformatory or juvenile facility or something like that, as a kid. If I'm right about that, back in those days that must have been pretty fucking rough.

I could talk about generational gap differences all day ...but to tie this into LCN - look how many LCN guys and LCN heavyweights are/were U.S. Veterans, some even decorated in combat for christ's sake.

Today's younger vets, who I have the utmost respect for...don't get me wrong here...but anyone young I know who served (whether they were deployed or not) has 100% of their whole self identity revolving around the military. Even in the civilian world they make you know through demeanor, clothes, stickers, whatever..they are vets. Contrast this anecdotally with my grandparents who served, one in WWII and another in Korea...I never heard either of them talk about their service at all. Never even saw a picture of them in uniform until one of their funerals. No navy, army, etc. clothing, no bumper stickers, no yellow ribbons. My WWII grandfather never even really saw anything crazy either, and he'd still refuse to talk about it. They just did what they did, came home, made a family and a living, and moved on.

I highly suspect some of the LCN guys that served (Ianello, Mangano, etc.) were probably the same way. For every subsequent generation, everything has seemed to become more of "a thing" - if that makes sense...

[TommyNoto]

Barney, Tony, Ernie admin would of been top notch admin in the 90s let alone today

The family seems to be way ahead of the rest in terms of changing into more of a business organization. Big money guys all over the place with legit business and huge real estate holdings.

With society changing to keeping non violent criminals out of jail they should have one more big run in them before people start dying out. Barney will likely be the last boss of bosses

[johnny_scootch]

Barney will likely be the last boss of bosses

I had my money on Maranzano.

[CornerBoy]

Some other short-timers to watch are the ones below, all at least 85 or above...

John Barbato
Pasquale DeLuca
Lawrence Dentico
Silvo DeVita
Alphonse Malangone

Vincent Beltempo
Anthony Ciccone
John D'Amico
Salvatore Franco

Vic Amuso
Joseph DiNapoli
Matthew Madonna

John DeRoss

Can you imagine the money that all the ppl above DeRoss (too dumb) have made, pissed away or amassed ? DiNapili and Madonna have made at least quarter billion in todays money from junk. ScottD- does that last statement make any sense?

[jimmi_beans8]

GOOD ONE SCOOTCH

[SonnyBlackstein]

Today's younger vets, who I have the utmost respect for...don't get me wrong here...but anyone young I know who served (whether they were deployed or not) has 100% of their whole self identity revolving around the military. Even in the civilian world they make you know through demeanor, clothes, stickers, whatever..they are vets. Contrast this anecdotally with my grandparents who served, one in WWII and another in Korea...I never heard either of them talk about their service at all. Never even saw a picture of them in uniform until one of their funerals. No navy, army, etc. clothing, no bumper stickers, no yellow ribbons. My WWII grandfather never even really saw anything crazy either, and he'd still refuse to talk about it. They just did what they did, came home, made a family and a living, and moved on.

I highly suspect some of the LCN guys that served (Ianello, Mangano, etc.) were probably the same way. For every subsequent generation, everything has seemed to become more of "a thing" - if that makes sense...

Agree.

[Pogo The Clown]

Don Carlo Gambino was the last Boss of Bosses.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Don Carlo Gambino was the last Boss of Bosses.

Ralph Natale??

[Pogo The Clown]

Don Carlo Gambino was the last Boss of Bosses.

Ralph Natale??

Natale was inducted by Gambino and Angelo Bruno.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Natale was inducted by Gambino and Angelo Bruno.

I always had it the other way round.

[Tonyd621]

Today's younger vets, who I have the utmost respect for...don't get me wrong here...but anyone young I know who served (whether they were deployed or not) has 100% of their whole self identity revolving around the military. Even in the civilian world they make you know through demeanor, clothes, stickers, whatever..they are vets. Contrast this anecdotally with my grandparents who served, one in WWII and another in Korea...I never heard either of them talk about their service at all. Never even saw a picture of them in uniform until one of their funerals. No navy, army, etc. clothing, no bumper stickers, no yellow ribbons. My WWII grandfather never even really saw anything crazy either, and he'd still refuse to talk about it. They just did what they did, came home, made a family and a living, and moved on.

I highly suspect some of the LCN guys that served (Ianello, Mangano, etc.) were probably the same way. For every subsequent generation, everything has seemed to become more of "a thing" - if that makes sense...

Agree.

The ones who don't have identity still do that. Also, they don't understand that it's over. They think they are still on mission. I actually don't think telling people your a veteran is a good idea. Even on job applications, I have put I was a veteran on one didn't get called another one I didn't and I got an interview. The thing is it's hard to have a conversation with ppl and they ask what you been doing or where have you worked or someone you have seen asked what you been doing with your life.... it's hard to avoid it sometimes because you how do you explain. A time gap in your life of like say 5-10 yrs. If people mentioned how I graduated college at 33, what took so long I mean there is no getting around it. In some ways some of them it is their whole identity Alot of the younger kids who deployed are from like Tennessee, Iowa, Kentucky, Arkansas etc where they grew up in broken homes no family, what do you relate to after you come home from being in the service for say, 10 yrs?
I was in for 7 years and when I came, my friends who were still druggies still did drugs, the ppl who had jobs still worked, same house, same clothes, you would think it changes but it doesn't. Your not missing out on sh*t
It goes back the mob guys, they served their counties and they went back to their same neighborhood where everyone was doing the same thing before they left-commiting crimes .. the guys who wear like the operation Iraqi freedom hates and the cargo swat pants is so stupid...

[Ivan]

Don Carlo Gambino was the last Boss of Bosses.

Truly the last of the old-school Sicilian Godfathers, unfortunately the heroin trade that he banned was so lucrative it made the old Dons like him and their Tradition obsolete.