HOFFA...again...

[JCB1977]

Maybe somebody like Joey Lombardo knows a few details since he was the main Teamsters liaison for the Outfit... he's not talking, though. Didn't Furnari have some involvement with the Teamsters? Not sure how much he would know, though.

Lombardo's name never came up in the investigation. Details are "only" known by the killers and by all accounts, the most consistent evidence of the actual triggerman is Sally Bugs Briguglio at a farm owned by Rolland McMasters. Sally Bugs was shot dead in 1978 outside a NYC restaurant and his brother Gabriel still hasn't been found. There may have only been a handful people who were privy to information that Hoffa was going to be killed and they are all dead. Chucky O'Brien is the only one still alive and if the FBI felt he was responsible, he would have been indicted over the last 40 years.

It would not surprise me if Joey Giacalone knows what happened. He's still around---an active captain.

The exact details were not discussed, u really think a large group of criminals could keep their mouths shut for 40 years? The assailants have been long dead, that I'll bet my house on

[jimmyb]

Here's some of Scott's reporting on Joey Giacalone:
http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-wiseg ... stigation/

Pretty comprehensive coverage of Hoffa murder on Scott's site.

[Giacomo_Vacari]

The story I find most believable is that killers buried him in a hasty dug grave in a field not far from the restaurant. Then some time later he was dugged up, and his body was then incinerated at a car plant owned by a Detroit Capo. Joe Zerilli gave the order after he talked with the commission, it was his territory the hit was talking place in. Hoffas body will never be found, cause there is nothing left. Zerilli did not want the body found cause it would draw to much heat from LE.

[JCB1977]

The story I find most believable is that killers buried him in a hasty dug grave in a field not far from the restaurant. Then some time later he was dugged up, and his body was then incinerated at a car plant owned by a Detroit Capo. Joe Zerilli gave the order after he talked with the commission, it was his territory the hit was talking place in. Hoffas body will never be found, cause there is nothing left. Zerilli did not want the body found cause it would draw to much heat from LE.

It was well planned and executed...chances are, "if" he was buried early, they had to have had a hole dug. If my memory serves me correct, didn't one of the Detroit wiseguys or a union official own a ton of land in remote wooded areas that were used for hunting? Or maybe that car was driven directly to his death and put through salvage immediately. There are so many plausible theories that unless we read 40 years worth of tips and leads from government documents, it's so hard to sort out.

[rayray]

How would you like to get the job of taking Hoffa out? You'd have to look at yourself in the mirror and think, man this is a death sentence. I wouldn't even want to be the guy getting rid of Hoffa's body or even moving it.

[JCB1977]

How would you like to get the job of taking Hoffa out? You'd have to look at yourself in the mirror and think, man this is a death sentence. I wouldn't even want to be the guy getting rid of Hoffa's body or even moving it.

Most likely, the 3 guys who actually were there (and I've suspected that many people had a role but that their roles were not discussed and that Hoffa went to a remote place he felt comfortable around and got taken out by one guy)...probably a stone faced killer who had a few dozen bodies on their hands. Jack Tocco did own that land close by, maybe Zerilli actually provided a clue with Tocco's land. But I don't think Jack Tocco would have sat on that parcel for as long as he did with Jimmy Hoffa buried there...he'd have to be the dumbest mob boss in LCN history, and Jack Tocco certainly was not. I do t think he had "direct" knowledge of the true story, not many did and the masterminds wanted it that way. Whoever the assassin was, he's long dead if not killed by the upper echelon guys who ordered Jimmy's death.

[B.]

At this point I just hope they solve it so I can stop hearing about it.

[Wiseguy]

It's the National Enquirer so it must be true.


Jimmy Hoffas Corpse Found In New Jersey

http://m.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity ... A5B5C2D148

[Pete]

How would you like to get the job of taking Hoffa out? You'd have to look at yourself in the mirror and think, man this is a death sentence. I wouldn't even want to be the guy getting rid of Hoffa's body or even moving it.

Most likely, the 3 guys who actually were there (and I've suspected that many people had a role but that their roles were not discussed and that Hoffa went to a remote place he felt comfortable around and got taken out by one guy)...probably a stone faced killer who had a few dozen bodies on their hands. Jack Tocco did own that land close by, maybe Zerilli actually provided a clue with Tocco's land. But I don't think Jack Tocco would have sat on that parcel for as long as he did with Jimmy Hoffa buried there...he'd have to be the dumbest mob boss in LCN history, and Jack Tocco certainly was not. I do t think he had "direct" knowledge of the true story, not many did and the masterminds wanted it that way. Whoever the assassin was, he's long dead if not killed by the upper echelon guys who ordered Jimmy's death.

Actually two out of the four main players are still Steven Andretta and Gabriel briguglio

[JCB1977]

Would be hilarious if eventually some noboby who claims to know where Hoffa is burried actually tells the truth and they find the body.

I would have to assume at this point that the mobsters who actually know what happened to him (and I contend there is less than 3 people who actually know the deatils) are now deceased. While orders may have been given, the details of the crime are buried with whoever carried it out. The mafia isn't that good at keeping secrets, especially for 40+ years. While I believe that Provenzano, Bufalino, the Giacalone Brothers were certainly part of the crime, I have no reason to believe they were there watching the crime take place. Chucky O'Brien is the only source at this point who would have any inside information (if he knows anything).

**I certainly DO NOT BELIEVE that they transported one of the highest profile union leader across many state lines to take him and bury him in New Jersey. We know approximately where he was killed, but the burial was pre planned and not outside Michigan. Salvage yards around the Detroit area were perfect places to have him crushed into metal.

[Pete]

Would be hilarious if eventually some noboby who claims to know where Hoffa is burried actually tells the truth and they find the body.

I would have to assume at this point that the mobsters who actually know what happened to him (and I contend there is less than 3 people who actually know the deatils) are now deceased. While orders may have been given, the details of the crime are buried with whoever carried it out. The mafia isn't that good at keeping secrets, especially for 40+ years. While I believe that Provenzano, Bufalino, the Giacalone Brothers were certainly part of the crime, I have no reason to believe they were there watching the crime take place. Chucky O'Brien is the only source at this point who would have any inside information (if he knows anything).

**I certainly DO NOT BELIEVE that they transported one of the highest profile union leader across many state lines to take him and bury him in New Jersey. We know approximately where he was killed, but the burial was pre planned and not outside Michigan. Salvage yards around the Detroit area were perfect places to have him crushed into metal.

Not sure what your basing your assumption in that the people that know what happened are all dead. According to the fbi the two guys I mentioned above were there so they would know what happened and they are alive. Again according to the fbi they were just as involved as chucky

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-27/ ... my-hoffa/2

[Pete]

http://www.moldea.com/Hoffamurder.html

[JCB1977]

Would be hilarious if eventually some noboby who claims to know where Hoffa is burried actually tells the truth and they find the body.

I would have to assume at this point that the mobsters who actually know what happened to him (and I contend there is less than 3 people who actually know the deatils) are now deceased. While orders may have been given, the details of the crime are buried with whoever carried it out. The mafia isn't that good at keeping secrets, especially for 40+ years. While I believe that Provenzano, Bufalino, the Giacalone Brothers were certainly part of the crime, I have no reason to believe they were there watching the crime take place. Chucky O'Brien is the only source at this point who would have any inside information (if he knows anything).

**I certainly DO NOT BELIEVE that they transported one of the highest profile union leader across many state lines to take him and bury him in New Jersey. We know approximately where he was killed, but the burial was pre planned and not outside Michigan. Salvage yards around the Detroit area were perfect places to have him crushed into metal.

Not sure what your basing your assumption in that the people that know what happened are all dead. According to the fbi the two guys I mentioned above were there so they would know what happened and they are alive. Again according to the fbi they were just as involved as chucky

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-27/ ... my-hoffa/2

The masterminds behind the hit are long dead...and although Andretta and Bruglio are still alive, there hasn't been enough evidence to bring an indictment. One other reason I have a hard time believing it is because a high profile hit like Hoffa makes it hard for me to believe that the masterminds didn't "cut all ties" with the guys who did the heavy work. Personally, I don't believe that if the masterminds were people like Provenzano, Bufalino, Giacalone, Zerilli etc that they wouldn't whack the killers to ensure nobody talked. I don't see the aforementioned group of masterminds taking any chances...not with how long they were in the game. I could be wrong, but I just have a hard time justifying why they would let the actual killers live to tell the tale.

[rayray]

I wouldn't even be surprised the actual killers didn't know who they were going to kill until it was time to do so. I always maintained the thought of killing Hoffa was like getting a death sentence.

[Mikeyb211]

Would be hilarious if eventually some noboby who claims to know where Hoffa is burried actually tells the truth and they find the body.

I would have to assume at this point that the mobsters who actually know what happened to him (and I contend there is less than 3 people who actually know the deatils) are now deceased. While orders may have been given, the details of the crime are buried with whoever carried it out. The mafia isn't that good at keeping secrets, especially for 40+ years. While I believe that Provenzano, Bufalino, the Giacalone Brothers were certainly part of the crime, I have no reason to believe they were there watching the crime take place. Chucky O'Brien is the only source at this point who would have any inside information (if he knows anything).

**I certainly DO NOT BELIEVE that they transported one of the highest profile union leader across many state lines to take him and bury him in New Jersey. We know approximately where he was killed, but the burial was pre planned and not outside Michigan. Salvage yards around the Detroit area were perfect places to have him crushed into metal.

Not sure what your basing your assumption in that the people that know what happened are all dead. According to the fbi the two guys I mentioned above were there so they would know what happened and they are alive. Again according to the fbi they were just as involved as chucky

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-27/ ... my-hoffa/2

The masterminds behind the hit are long dead...and although Andretta and Bruglio are still alive, there hasn't been enough evidence to bring an indictment. One other reason I have a hard time believing it is because a high profile hit like Hoffa makes it hard for me to believe that the masterminds didn't "cut all ties" with the guys who did the heavy work. Personally, I don't believe that if the masterminds were people like Provenzano, Bufalino, Giacalone, Zerilli etc that they wouldn't whack the killers to ensure nobody talked. I don't see the aforementioned group of masterminds taking any chances...not with how long they were in the game. I could be wrong, but I just have a hard time justifying why they would let the actual killers live to tell the tale.

Brigulgio was hit in 1978 on a street in Newark or maybe it was BK but hes definitely dead. One of the Andrettas is alive, but I believe Sally Bugs was in the process of or had flipped already and was ready to spill what he knew about Hoffa and I think the Castellito murder that tony pro eventually was pinched for

Imo The version Frank Sheeran detailed is what happened and after reading his book 3x ( imo phenomenal and engrossing book) I am convinced thats how it went down. By all accounts that ive read besided that book he was close enough to Jimmy to not arise suspicion and he was equally close to Buffalino. And Buffalino, Tony.Jack, and Tony pro were 3 of the most powerful mobsters in the entire country at that time not to mention Russell being an extremely powerful and connected boss with various fams. To me they definitely were behind Jimmy being clipped. Plus I believe on Gangsterreport scott stated that fbi docs recently unsealed placed Tony Pro in Detroit the night before havin dinner w tony jack and exclaiming "tomorrows gonna be a good day"..then he allegedly left town to establish an alliby but very well coulda stayed in Detroit and overseen the killing since everyone else involved was part of the Genovese fam besides Sheeran and Chucky O'brien..just my two cents..and sidenote but cant fuckin wait for the movie idc how old them guys are with Marty who never makes a bad movie imo itll b another gangster classic