So Davi is what exactly?

[CabriniGreen]

Johnny's Aquista post got me thinking about the article again....I get kinda exhausted with this topic... but it still sticks in my mind.....



Palermo

Mafia, the emissaries of the US clans in Sicily looking for new business. "A pact with New York"
by Salvo Palazzolo

On the left, the emissary of the Gambino clan (ansa)
Two ambassadors from the overseas godfathers surprised by the investigations. Some credit cards are investigated
JULY 14, 2021
PUBLISHED OVER A YEAR AGO
2 MINUTES OF READING

A river of dirty money travels between New York and Palermo. Inside credit cards. "I gave it to the little ones", said a mafioso who had just landed at the Falcone and Borsellino airport on a flight from the States. At the checks he had shown only the American Express, the other cards were well hidden in the backpack of his children. "What do they have to understand", the boss laughed while he talked to his father who had come to get him. What was the money for?


The latest investigation by the Carabinieri of the Investigative team coordinated by the Palermo prosecutor's office, which yesterday led to 10 arrests in Torretta, confirms the strong link between the American and Sicilian Cosa Nostra. "The picture of a single organization emerges", says General Arturo Guarino, the provincial commander of the Arma. The investigation confirms above all that overseas bosses are looking for investment channels in Sicily. Where now they are back strong. Torretta, which is part of the district of Passo di Rigano, that of the Inzerillo , is no longer the "losers" clan. After the death of Totò Riina , the boss of the bosses, Cosa Nostra has returned to the old masters of the past.

In Palermo an emissary of American Cosa Nostra, 10 arrests. In the town of Torretta the junction of the Messina Denaro pizzini
by Salvo Palazzolo
July 14, 2021

On 27 September three years ago, a member of the Gambino clan arrived at Falcone e Borsellino. This is Ernest Grillo , he is 65 years old. He was welcomed with full honors by Natale Puglisi , an entrepreneur considered organic to the Torretta clan, and was arrested last night. Grillo was accompanied to the beautiful villa of Fondo Anfossi, in Mondello, which had been rented for him. Villa with swimming pool. In the bedroom, he found a gift: 5 grams of cocaine. But this wasn't a pleasure trip, there had to be new business at stake. On 2 October, Puglisi accompanied Grillo to Baucina, probably to meet Enzo Varisco, a drug kingpin that Judge Falcone had already investigated in the 1980s, was convicted in the United States, today he runs a restaurant. The next day, Ernest Grillo went to Torretta to meet Raffaele Di Maggio , considered the new head of the family. The police investigation also brought two of his close collaborators to prison: Ignazio Antonino Mannino and Calogero Badalamenti . On October 4th, Ernest Gallo returned to the States.
A few months later, in April 2019, another Gambino family emissary flew to Sicily, to Favara. We know this from another investigation, conducted by the Ros. He was looking for a large company in crisis. To fill with money. And then make it fail, "a fraudulent thing", he explained to the Sicilians. In order to make millions of euros disappear. A maxi recycling operation. "The money comes from Singapore", said the agrigentini mafia who discussed the proposal after the meeting. "They leave us 20 percent." More business in Sicily. From New York to Palermo they moved as if they were a single clan, this emerges from the investigation coordinated by the deputy prosecutor Salvo De Luca , by the substitutes Amelia Luise and Giovanni Antoci .


The return to Palermo of the boss Micalizzi, the "keeper" of Riccobono's treasure
by Salvo Palazzolo
January 27, 2021

The Puglisi brothers spoke of a mysterious man who was to be punished in the USA. There it was not possible. The ceremony was held in Torretta. Here is another emblematic story: the day he was killed in New York Frank Cali, the head of the Gambino family - it was March 13, 2019 - investigators recorded a lot of fibrillation live in Sicily. "This picciutteddu went crazy for the Torrettesi", said the bosses. Once, he was also intercepted on the phone with the Sicilian mafia. Only after a few hours, the godparents calmed down: there was no traitor in the family, Frankie Boy, as he was nicknamed, had been killed by a fool. The confirmation came from a trip to America made by Natale Puglisi's son, Baldassare. On his return, he reported to his father the interview he had with Ernest Grillo, and did not suspect that the car was intercepted: "he said:" Tell your father that everything is fine "". The successor of Frank Calì was already there: the young man named Silvester Davì, officially only the owner of an ice cream shop in New York. "Silvestro has climbed the step ... he is in charge now ... he tells us all what they must do and what they must not do".


This transatlantic clan thing. Someone explain how Davi is Calis successor. I believe he's head of " Sicilian ops in NY", not of the actual Gambino family. Many disagree. Make it make sense.....

[B.]

They're a faction of compaesani with members in the Gambino, Lucchese, and some Palermo Families. They have a connection across Family lines like we've seen many many times throughout history and their politics are interrelated. Davi is probably seen as a mediator and messenger among this faction like Cali was.

[CabriniGreen]

If Davi is Calis successor, then what is Mannino? And what is Lanni now?

[CabriniGreen]

It's the same as the 80s, there's at least 3 " bosses" of the "Gambino Sicilian faction", Lanni, Mannino, now Davi.......not including Bonnano or Luchesse guys...

Is 18th Ave Passo Di Rigano guys, the control center? And the Torreta guys are under Davi, and answerable to 18th Ave, whom they sometimes chafe against? Is that it?

What is Zitos position in all this, as a consigliere?

[B.]

It's not that Davi is Cali's successor in terms of formal rank but his defacto role among the compaesani.

[CabriniGreen]

It's not that Davi is Cali's successor in terms of formal rank but his defacto role among the compaesani.

I don't disagree on the Campesani thing. I'm just not completely sure it's the answer to the question I asked.

The Thomas Greco file, as well as the Larca thing has me questioning this.

[OcSleeper]

You and B seem to kinda be on the same page that Davi holds a de facto leadership role over this group that Cali previously had.

What exactly do you think it means if you're still confused or disagree with that assessment? Let us into your mind CG

[B.]

Mannino and Lanni have ranks in the Gambino Family hierarchy.

Based on the available info, Davi has a role (not a rank) as a facilitator in matters relevant to the Torrettesi.

What about Greco or Larca applies here?

[CabriniGreen]

You and B seem to kinda be on the same page that Davi holds a de facto leadership role over this group that Cali previously had.

What exactly do you think it means if you're still confused or disagree with that assessment? Let us into your mind CG

I'll go more in depth with my thoughts... but 1st a question...

These Torretesi, why are they called Sicilian Mafia?

[CabriniGreen]

You and B seem to kinda be on the same page that Davi holds a de facto leadership role over this group that Cali previously had.

What exactly do you think it means if you're still confused or disagree with that assessment? Let us into your mind CG

I figured I'd get no response..... but here goes nothing....


The issue isn't whether or not Davi has this position. The question concerns the... WHOM, whom is it that he holds a leadership role over?

I think it's Sicilian mafia members from the Torreta family. And this is based largely on how Italian media and LE describe the exponents in New York. B. says it's a network of sicilians who socialize and do business, but apparently no formal affiliation with Sicily?

( this is probably off, correct me...)

Meaning, these were men with ancestry in Torreta, followed established immigration patterns to NY, associated with an American LCN family, and now socialize and do business together, but without an original tie to the ACTUAL family in Sicily, and identify as ethnically sicilian, and this identification with Sicily is why they are called sicilian mafia? Is that right?

This is what I don't get. Without a formal connection to Sicily, how are they Sicilian mafia? Indeed, how could ANY type of transfer occur? It's similar to Sonny's question as to what is a zip? What is a sicilian mafia member? I feel like we are saying essentially the same thing but he seems to disagree. It seems like semantics to me.

Moreover, " Network of Campesani", to me, is not a family. I dont get how its an answer to the question of what family a sicilian mafia member is with. Campesani, It sounds suspiciously similar to B.'s post about Greco, the FBN mistaking a " Mulberry network" for a formal organization. That to me sounds like a " Network of Campesai too.

Take the harmless House thread. If I ask, What family is this guy with? Replying, " He's part of a network of Howard Beach Campesani"..... I mean, it's not wrong, but is it an answer to the actual question?

Just like that Lower East side network, I'm sure there are Bensonhurst networks, Statin Island networks, Queens networks, Jersey networks, Maybe even networks based on Palermo- Trapani- Agrigento to NY immigration. But are these Families?

What are Davi's " guys", in relation to 18th Ave? Same crew? Separate crew? If same crew, why do they need an additional, defacto acting-capo?

Did you guys touch on Scarcella? From Canada?

Nope, but I will keep that in mind next time.

Unsurprisingly, he said George Sciascia was the most respected and popular Sicilian in NYC, at least in the Bonannos. Michael DiLeonardo has made similar comments, as he attended at least one sitdown with Sciascia (and Graziano, funny enough) and had a very high opinion of the way he carried himself. True "Cosa Nostra" to everyone in that world which is again unsurprising.

Also talked about the Bonanno and Gambino zips and he said they were like one Family they were so close. They were partners in the gambling games on Knickerbocker Ave.

Take this. This definitely looks like a network of Campesani, right? But that network is not a FAMILY. If these are sicilian mafia guys, and I ask what family is this one with? I expect Castellammare Del Golfo, Castelvoturno, Carini, things like this. Network of Campesani, to me is a kinda bizzare response. Even replying, " Gambino, or Bonnano", seems off to me. You are considered sicilian mafia by associating with the Gambinos and Bonnanos?

It's fascinating to me Davi has this " advisor/ superior" role. There's the...I'll call it the "NYcommand post", 18th Ave capo. Then there is like, the clan hierarchy overall. DiMaggios and Inzerillos in the "Exeutive branch", ruling in Sicily. Gambinos in the same position in NY. The Manninos and Spatolas being more on the money/politics end., but the Manninos establishing a commanding presence in NY and Philly in the 80s. They have BEEN COMING ON for a long time, itching to take the reigns. With clans like Davi, Zito very strong, right there, but chafing to get into that "Execuitive" side of the clan. I think thats the real reason for the issues with Zito. Then there is internal Gambino family politics. With Cali, he seemed to occupy all three at once. Now, it seems Mannino, Davi, and Lanni each occupy each of the different roles. I eat this shit up, lol...


I still want to deep dive into Antimafias theory that the Gambinos are now the referents for Canada....

[OcSleeper]

I figured I'd get no response..... but here goes nothing....

You would've, I'm just not as active on weekends.

The issue isn't whether or not Davi has this position. The question concerns the... WHOM, whom is it that he holds a leadership role over?

I think it's Sicilian mafia members from the Torreta family. And this is based largely on how Italian media and LE describe the exponents in New York. B. says it's a network of sicilians who socialize and do business, but apparently no formal affiliation with Sicily?

Meaning, these were men with ancestry in Torreta, followed established immigration patterns to NY, associated with an American LCN family, and now socialize and do business together, but without an original tie to the ACTUAL family in Sicily, and identify as ethnically sicilian, and this identification with Sicily is why they are called sicilian mafia? Is that right?

There's others who are better suited to answer your questions since my knowledge is limited on the topic. But this is my take on it, he holds this de facto leadership role over sicilian born and American born sicilians in NYC that have ties back to these Palermo families, e.g., the Toretta and Passo di Rigano families. Whether they're inducted members or associates, they would fall into this group.

The label of sicilian mafia in articles could be explained as simple as journalists generalizing these men instead of explaining "well they're this sub group of sicilian born and American born sicilians that are associated with the mafia on both sides..." its as simple as dumbing it down for the readers.

What are Davi's " guys", in relation to 18th Ave? Same crew? Separate crew? If same crew, why do they need an additional, defacto acting-capo?

This group that we are saying Davi holds this de facto leadership role over isn't apart of the formal Gambino structure. Some may be Gambino members, some aren't. B's use of network Imo would be correct, it's a criminal network tied together by their shared heritage and LCN association under the cosa nostra umbrella.


This is how I view it at least.

[B.]

I think it's Sicilian mafia members from the Torreta family. And this is based largely on how Italian media and LE describe the exponents in New York. B. says it's a network of sicilians who socialize and do business, but apparently no formal affiliation with Sicily?

( this is probably off, correct me...)

Definitely didn't say they have no formal affiliation with Sicily. Some of them do seem to be formally part of Palermo Families from the limited available info.

Important thing to keep in mind is the US has a long history of made members of the Sicilian mafia in NYC being "with" a local Family. There were Sicilian mafia members who were represented by the Bonannos and Gambinos but weren't members who transferred or were made with those groups, though they were on record like associates. They are still part of the same political element though.

[B.]

Random side note, but the actor Robert Davi's father came from Torretta and he was raised in Astoria Queens where part of this Torretta faction lives/operates, including the Lucchese guy Calogero Davi.

[TSNYC]

Lanni seems to be the guy who took over the Sicilian faction Mannino Crew after Mannino was upped.

Fat Tommy Gambino (son of Giuseppe) is likely a made member of this crew. Close to him is Frank Adamita, not sure if he’s made.

There’s another Tommy Gambino, son of John Gambino. These intermarriages and degrees of separation are insane.

[JohnnyS]

Joe Lanni has been a captain for about 5 or 6 years now.