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Is Chicago Mob’s Famous Family Secrets Case On Verge Of A Reopening? Miceli Makes It In Front Of Federal Judge In Quest To Disrupt Historic Verdicts
By Scott Burnstein
July 30, 2022
July 30, 2022 — Former Chicago mafia associate Chuck Miceli made what could end up being a big stride towards disrupting the integrity of the Operation Family Secrets case convictions this past week, as U.S. District Court Judge John Robert Blakey granted him a pro se hearing on behalf of imprisoned Chicago Outfit boss James (Jimmy the Man) Marcello.
The hearing is set for August 10 to argue motions Miceli personally drafted and has been trying to get the court to hear for the past 17 years. Some of the murders resolved in the Family Secrets case were dramatized in the movie Casino.
The 78-year old Marcello was the No. 1 defendant in the landmark Family Secrets trial back in the summer of 2007. Miceli was denied the ability to testify in the trial by retired U.S. District Court Judge James Zagel. His testimony would have refuted the prosecution’s account of certain murders adjudicated in the case.
Blakey replaced Zagel upon Zagel leaving the bench in 2016. At the time of the widely-covered Family Secrets trial, Miceli, a one-time cop, was in prison down in Florida, serving a 10-year sentence for fraud. Zagel ruled Miceli’s claims unreliable, despite his documented cooperation and verified veracity in past state and federal criminal and corruption probes.
One of the murders Miceli says he can shed fresh light on is the 1974 killing of mob associate turned informant Danny Seifert.
Miceli says he watched on from the backseat of his uncle’s car when he was an eight-year old boy as dirty Chicago Police Department officer Rick Madeja shot Seifert, a future federal witness, to death on the morning of September 27, 1974. Madeja was booted from CPD in 1981 after he got busted selling guns and silencers on the black market. Two of the silencers authorities tied to Madeja’s operation were alleged to be linked to the 1975 assassination of deposed Chicago mob boss Sam (Momo) Giancana and the 1983 attempted murder of South Side Outfit gambling chief Ken (Tokyo Joe) Eto, per sources familiar with the Madeja cooperation agreement.
The Chicago Outfit’s then-consigliere Joey (The Clown) Lombardo was found guilty of heading a hit squad that viciously murdered Seifert, his former business partner, on the grounds of his Bensenville plastics factory in front of his wife and son, Joey, named after Lombardo.
Miceli, 56, alleges that Madeja played a role in Family Secrets more than just being the triggerman in the Seifert homicide. Madeja, today 82 years old, denies the accusations.
The lead prosecutor in the Family Secrets case, the distinguished courtroom terminator Mitch Mars, was the prosecutor on Madeja’s case in 1981 in which Madeja cut a deal to cooperate. Mars died of cancer shortly after capping his celebrated career with convictions across the board in The Operation Family Secrets case put to bed 18 previously uncharged Chicago mob murders, highlighted by the Seifert and Spilotro hits, stretching back more than three decades. Marcello and Lombardo were the highest profile of the 14 defendants in the case. It was the federal government’s biggest assault against organized crime in the U.S. since the Commission Case in the 1980s that took down the dons of all Five Families in the New York mafia.
Miceli grew up around Lombardo, the Godfather of Grand Avenue and longtime capo of Chicago’s West Side. Seifert was readying to take the stand against Joey the Clown, the legendary Tony (The Ant) Spilotro, the Outfit’s crew boss in Las Vegas, and insurance magnate Allen Dorfman in a Teamsters union pension-fund fraud case where Lombardo, Spilotro and Dorfman were accused of fleecing a work pail-manufacturing business in New Mexico being operated under Seifert’s name.
The case was dropped after Seifert’s murder. Spilotro and Dorfman were both slain in mob hits in 1983 and 1986, respectively, that took place in the Chicagoland area and garnered national headlines. Jimmy Marcello was convicted of driving Spilotro and Spilotro’s baby brother Michael, to their slaughter inside a Bensenville basement. The Spilotro brothers were gruesomely beaten, stomped and strangled to death in a double homicide depicted in Casino, Martin Scorsese’s 1995 opus chronicling the real-life mob drama of Tony the Ant’s reign in Vegas. Oscar-winner Joe Pesci portrayed Spilotro in the film.
Marcello became acting boss of the Chicago mob in 2003, according to court records. He hails from the Melrose Park wing of the Cicero crew, per Chicago Crime Commission files. The Bureau of Prisons currently has Marcello locked up in the SuperMax facility in Florence, Colorado, the prison tasked with housing the country’s worst of the worst federal convicts.
Lombardo’s defense attorney, Rick Halprin, failed to notify Lombardo of Miceli’s attempt to testify on his behalf back in 2005 — Joey the Clown was a fugitive of justice at the time. Lombardo didn’t become aware of Miceli’s story until he uncovered it in court records in the final years of his life. According to sources and BOP records, Lombardo was moved to the SuperMax prison in the final years of his life as punishment for trying to place a murder contract on Judge Zagel’s head from his prison hospital room in North Carolina.
Halprin committed suicide in 2013 at his Hyde Park apartment after falling in financial peril. The notoriously colorful and lethal Lombardo died of throat cancer in October 2019 at age 90. Three months earlier, he hand-wrote a letter/motion to the court pleading for reconsideration of Miceli’s testimony. Besides the Seifert murder, Lombardo was considered a suspect in ordering or personally carrying out at least a dozen gangland slayings.
On the streets, Miceli was affiliated with The Outfit’s Northwest Side crew in the 1980s and 1990s. Miceli’s cooperation with the government began 13 years before the Family Secrets case was filed with the successful prosecution of former Cook County Chief Merrit Board Investigator Jack Novelli in 1992. He put a Gangster Disciples shot caller away for life with his testimony in the murder of Pamela Strauss in Rock Island in a 1996 drug deal gone wrong.
The Latin Kings street gang put a hit out on Miceli in December 1995 and he was subsequently the victim of a brutal home invasion and physical assault that landed him in the hospital for two weeks, per court filings. Part of Miceli’s cooperation included stopping a murder contract put out for New York mob princess and reality television star, Vickie Gotti Agnello, the daughter of the deceased Dapper Don, John Gotti, former celebrity boss of the Gambino crime family. Most of Miceli’s cooperation related to political corruption and dirty policemen.
Questions regarding the integrity of Family Secrets began to arise right away, with the government’s decision not to indict then Chicago mob don John (Johnny No Nose) DiFronzo, despite presenting evidence that placed him at the center of the Spilotro brothers’ execution, among other racketeering acts charged. DiFronzo, 89, succumbed to a battle with dementia in 2018 on the heels ruling the Outfit for almost 30 years from his Elmwood Park digs.
Multiple sources claim the case’s star witness, South Side Outfit hit man Nick (Nicky Slim) Calabrese, lied or intentionally misled FBI agents and prosecutors about his participation in at least one of the murders he testified to. The remains of the oldest cold-case victim in the case, Chicago mob loan shark Mike (Hambone) Albergo, have never been recovered even though Calabrese says he helped bury him in 1970. Calabrese mis-identified one of the members of the hit team responsible for killing the Spilotros despite being on the job himself. He flipped in 2002 and became the linchpin to the Family Secrets indictment and subsequent convictions.
Is Chicago Mob’s Famous Family Secrets Case On Verge Of A Reopening? Miceli Makes It In Front Of Federal Judge In Quest To Disrupt Historic Verdicts
By Scott Burnstein
July 30, 2022
July 30, 2022 — Former Chicago mafia associate Chuck Miceli made what could end up being a big stride towards disrupting the integrity of the Operation Family Secrets case convictions this past week, as U.S. District Court Judge John Robert Blakey granted him a pro se hearing on behalf of imprisoned Chicago Outfit boss James (Jimmy the Man) Marcello.
The hearing is set for August 10 to argue motions Miceli personally drafted and has been trying to get the court to hear for the past 17 years. Some of the murders resolved in the Family Secrets case were dramatized in the movie Casino.
The 78-year old Marcello was the No. 1 defendant in the landmark Family Secrets trial back in the summer of 2007. Miceli was denied the ability to testify in the trial by retired U.S. District Court Judge James Zagel. His testimony would have refuted the prosecution’s account of certain murders adjudicated in the case.
Blakey replaced Zagel upon Zagel leaving the bench in 2016. At the time of the widely-covered Family Secrets trial, Miceli, a one-time cop, was in prison down in Florida, serving a 10-year sentence for fraud. Zagel ruled Miceli’s claims unreliable, despite his documented cooperation and verified veracity in past state and federal criminal and corruption probes.
One of the murders Miceli says he can shed fresh light on is the 1974 killing of mob associate turned informant Danny Seifert.
Miceli says he watched on from the backseat of his uncle’s car when he was an eight-year old boy as dirty Chicago Police Department officer Rick Madeja shot Seifert, a future federal witness, to death on the morning of September 27, 1974. Madeja was booted from CPD in 1981 after he got busted selling guns and silencers on the black market. Two of the silencers authorities tied to Madeja’s operation were alleged to be linked to the 1975 assassination of deposed Chicago mob boss Sam (Momo) Giancana and the 1983 attempted murder of South Side Outfit gambling chief Ken (Tokyo Joe) Eto, per sources familiar with the Madeja cooperation agreement.
The Chicago Outfit’s then-consigliere Joey (The Clown) Lombardo was found guilty of heading a hit squad that viciously murdered Seifert, his former business partner, on the grounds of his Bensenville plastics factory in front of his wife and son, Joey, named after Lombardo.
Miceli, 56, alleges that Madeja played a role in Family Secrets more than just being the triggerman in the Seifert homicide. Madeja, today 82 years old, denies the accusations.
The lead prosecutor in the Family Secrets case, the distinguished courtroom terminator Mitch Mars, was the prosecutor on Madeja’s case in 1981 in which Madeja cut a deal to cooperate. Mars died of cancer shortly after capping his celebrated career with convictions across the board in The Operation Family Secrets case put to bed 18 previously uncharged Chicago mob murders, highlighted by the Seifert and Spilotro hits, stretching back more than three decades. Marcello and Lombardo were the highest profile of the 14 defendants in the case. It was the federal government’s biggest assault against organized crime in the U.S. since the Commission Case in the 1980s that took down the dons of all Five Families in the New York mafia.
Miceli grew up around Lombardo, the Godfather of Grand Avenue and longtime capo of Chicago’s West Side. Seifert was readying to take the stand against Joey the Clown, the legendary Tony (The Ant) Spilotro, the Outfit’s crew boss in Las Vegas, and insurance magnate Allen Dorfman in a Teamsters union pension-fund fraud case where Lombardo, Spilotro and Dorfman were accused of fleecing a work pail-manufacturing business in New Mexico being operated under Seifert’s name.
The case was dropped after Seifert’s murder. Spilotro and Dorfman were both slain in mob hits in 1983 and 1986, respectively, that took place in the Chicagoland area and garnered national headlines. Jimmy Marcello was convicted of driving Spilotro and Spilotro’s baby brother Michael, to their slaughter inside a Bensenville basement. The Spilotro brothers were gruesomely beaten, stomped and strangled to death in a double homicide depicted in Casino, Martin Scorsese’s 1995 opus chronicling the real-life mob drama of Tony the Ant’s reign in Vegas. Oscar-winner Joe Pesci portrayed Spilotro in the film.
Marcello became acting boss of the Chicago mob in 2003, according to court records. He hails from the Melrose Park wing of the Cicero crew, per Chicago Crime Commission files. The Bureau of Prisons currently has Marcello locked up in the SuperMax facility in Florence, Colorado, the prison tasked with housing the country’s worst of the worst federal convicts.
Lombardo’s defense attorney, Rick Halprin, failed to notify Lombardo of Miceli’s attempt to testify on his behalf back in 2005 — Joey the Clown was a fugitive of justice at the time. Lombardo didn’t become aware of Miceli’s story until he uncovered it in court records in the final years of his life. According to sources and BOP records, Lombardo was moved to the SuperMax prison in the final years of his life as punishment for trying to place a murder contract on Judge Zagel’s head from his prison hospital room in North Carolina.
Halprin committed suicide in 2013 at his Hyde Park apartment after falling in financial peril. The notoriously colorful and lethal Lombardo died of throat cancer in October 2019 at age 90. Three months earlier, he hand-wrote a letter/motion to the court pleading for reconsideration of Miceli’s testimony. Besides the Seifert murder, Lombardo was considered a suspect in ordering or personally carrying out at least a dozen gangland slayings.
On the streets, Miceli was affiliated with The Outfit’s Northwest Side crew in the 1980s and 1990s. Miceli’s cooperation with the government began 13 years before the Family Secrets case was filed with the successful prosecution of former Cook County Chief Merrit Board Investigator Jack Novelli in 1992. He put a Gangster Disciples shot caller away for life with his testimony in the murder of Pamela Strauss in Rock Island in a 1996 drug deal gone wrong.
The Latin Kings street gang put a hit out on Miceli in December 1995 and he was subsequently the victim of a brutal home invasion and physical assault that landed him in the hospital for two weeks, per court filings. Part of Miceli’s cooperation included stopping a murder contract put out for New York mob princess and reality television star, Vickie Gotti Agnello, the daughter of the deceased Dapper Don, John Gotti, former celebrity boss of the Gambino crime family. Most of Miceli’s cooperation related to political corruption and dirty policemen.
Questions regarding the integrity of Family Secrets began to arise right away, with the government’s decision not to indict then Chicago mob don John (Johnny No Nose) DiFronzo, despite presenting evidence that placed him at the center of the Spilotro brothers’ execution, among other racketeering acts charged. DiFronzo, 89, succumbed to a battle with dementia in 2018 on the heels ruling the Outfit for almost 30 years from his Elmwood Park digs.
Multiple sources claim the case’s star witness, South Side Outfit hit man Nick (Nicky Slim) Calabrese, lied or intentionally misled FBI agents and prosecutors about his participation in at least one of the murders he testified to. The remains of the oldest cold-case victim in the case, Chicago mob loan shark Mike (Hambone) Albergo, have never been recovered even though Calabrese says he helped bury him in 1970. Calabrese mis-identified one of the members of the hit team responsible for killing the Spilotros despite being on the job himself. He flipped in 2002 and became the linchpin to the Family Secrets indictment and subsequent convictions.
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Chuck Miceli led authorities on a wild goose chase in Florida with his wild claims and his credibility was destroyed. He swindled people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and claimed he knew where a bunch of missing children were buried, and none of those claims panned out. If anyone has listened to him on podcasts he comes of as a Forrest Gump character who just happened to be in all the right historical places at the right time. Regarding the Seifert killing, I'm not sure how far an alleged appearance before an 8-year-old boy is worth.
As for John DiFronzo, it should be pointed out that Louis Marino was said to have been there when the Spilotros were killed and he also wasn't charged. Moreover, Red Wemette claims that he saw proof that DiFronzo was secretly informing, which if true could explain why he wasn't called.
As for John DiFronzo, it should be pointed out that Louis Marino was said to have been there when the Spilotros were killed and he also wasn't charged. Moreover, Red Wemette claims that he saw proof that DiFronzo was secretly informing, which if true could explain why he wasn't called.
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Red is sure telling some wild stories on that YouTube channel. Most of the time he seems half in the bag and every other thing he says is factually incorrect. I would say he’s one of the least reliable sources out there.Antiliar wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:20 am Chuck Miceli led authorities on a wild goose chase in Florida with his wild claims and his credibility was destroyed. He swindled people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and claimed he knew where a bunch of missing children were buried, and none of those claims panned out. If anyone has listened to him on podcasts he comes of as a Forrest Gump character who just happened to be in all the right historical places at the right time. Regarding the Seifert killing, I'm not sure how far an alleged appearance before an 8-year-old boy is worth.
As for John DiFronzo, it should be pointed out that Louis Marino was said to have been there when the Spilotros were killed and he also wasn't charged. Moreover, Red Wemette claims that he saw proof that DiFronzo was secretly informing, which if true could explain why he wasn't called.
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Which stories from his personal experiences are false?
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Looks like Miceli wants to testify to more than just Family Secrets. Zizzo is mentioned
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Lol I just pulled up a random video and went to a random spot and found these nuggets. Red said that the clown was the boss in 1982 and could go over aiuppas head on things even a casual observer of the outfit knows this is wrong on so many levels
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Miceli and Gianni Russo tried to hold a last minute sit-down on LT’s behalf, but it was too late. Sarno and Sal C dragged Zizzo into the Buona’s location in Berwyn and then roasted and sliced him into thin shavings (turning a made guy into a beef sanguich is called “hot, sweet, and wet work” in The Life), and then served him at the Monte Carmelo Festa in Melrose Park. Miceli knows because he had an extra serving. Jimmy Calandra could’ve prevented it, as he has Solly D’s respect, but was in the can and couldn’t do a thing. Jackie the Kid sent Gunner to give Detroit’s blessing; Gunner and Chuckie then got coked out of their skulls and ran around extorting strip club owners in DuPage County with the gun from the Hoffa hit on behalf of the Giancana-Tocco-Gotti-Gigante-Graziano-Trafficante crime family. Subscribe to my new website for the exclusive interviews.Patrickgold wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:34 pm Looks like Miceli wants to testify to more than just Family Secrets. Zizzo is mentioned
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He obviously is not a trust worthy guy but what if the outfit told him where hambone was actually buried to discredit Nick Calabrese? Not sure how giving info about the death of Zizzo will effect anything. Miceli has been claiming Difronzo was a CI
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Ehhhh. If that’s what he’s saying, he wasn’t ever saying it before. A couple of years ago I spoke to Red at length, and was very specific in querying him about what he knew about Lombardo. Red stated that Joey succeeded Alderisio as capo (Red specifically stated “capo”, which he said was what they called it); then, in ‘76, Red stated that Joey was appointed “street boss”. When I asked him if this wasn’t just a synonym for “capo” in Chicago, he was firm that it wasn’t the same thing; per Red, the “street boss” was a capo that served as liaison between the admin and the other capos, as well as the enforcer of the family responsible for ensuring that punishments/hits were carried out. Red was very adamant and clear about this, and never mentioned anything about Lombardo ever getting bumped up further or having any de facto boss status or anything like that prior to going to the can. When I asked him if Lombardo could’ve been a “consigliere” or something akin for the family when he left prison, Red conceded that it was possible but cautioned that he had no knowledge of what happened after he himself left the game. In general, I found Red to be careful to state when he didn’t know a guy or the answer to a question. He’d say “I’m sorry, I wish I could help you, but I didn’t know those guys well (for example, guys in Melrose Park or Cicero). So, when I spoke with him directly, I found him to be honest and straight forward, not embellishing things or exaggerating his own knowledge or role. Sounds like after a couple of years doing these podcasts, he’s getting into “tall tales”.
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Thanks he did say specifically street boss in the video but said as street boss Lombardo could go above aiuppa who was the actual boss which makes no sense. Lombardo being street boss would be incorrect though in 82 anyways. There has never been any information saying the other capos went through Lombardo and there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. For instance according to Nick calabrese Angelo lapietra got his orders through aiuppa. Red also stated the last supper photo was taken when Lombardo was made street boss lol. That was just one example I found at random I know the videos are filled with more that’s why I stopped watching that showPolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:49 pmEhhhh. If that’s what he’s saying, he wasn’t ever saying it before. A couple of years ago I spoke to Red at length, and was very specific in querying him about what he knew about Lombardo. Red stated that Joey succeeded Alderisio as capo (Red specifically stated “capo”, which he said was what they called it); then, in ‘76, Red stated that Joey was appointed “street boss”. When I asked him if this wasn’t just a synonym for “capo” in Chicago, he was firm that it wasn’t the same thing; per Red, the “street boss” was a capo that served as liaison between the admin and the other capos, as well as the enforcer of the family responsible for ensuring that punishments/hits were carried out. Red was very adamant and clear about this, and never mentioned anything about Lombardo ever getting bumped up further or having any de facto boss status or anything like that prior to going to the can. When I asked him if Lombardo could’ve been a “consigliere” or something akin for the family when he left prison, Red conceded that it was possible but cautioned that he had no knowledge of what happened after he himself left the game. In general, I found Red to be careful to state when he didn’t know a guy or the answer to a question. He’d say “I’m sorry, I wish I could help you, but I didn’t know those guys well (for example, guys in Melrose Park or Cicero). So, when I spoke with him directly, I found him to be honest and straight forward, not embellishing things or exaggerating his own knowledge or role. Sounds like after a couple of years doing these podcasts, he’s getting into “tall tales”.
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Miceli seems to be making a lot of claims. Based on that info he definitely sounds like the forest gump of the outfit he magically was there for every significant thing that happened. Sounds like this guy has some serious mental problems. In another court filing he was dressed down by the person writing the opinion basically stating he’s a quackPatrickgold wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:59 pm He obviously is not a trust worthy guy but what if the outfit told him where hambone was actually buried to discredit Nick Calabrese? Not sure how giving info about the death of Zizzo will effect anything. Miceli has been claiming Difronzo was a CI
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That motion looks like it was typed by a 3 year-old. I can't imagine a lawyer worth their salt wants to represent this loon.
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But he claims to “of” “unrefutable evidence”. His veracity is irdeniable.
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I have heard him say that the Last Supper photo was taken when Lombardo was made street boss. He's made that claim pretty consistently. Could you put in a link for the video where you say that he said Lombardo could go over Aiuppa's head?Pete wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:51 pmThanks he did say specifically street boss in the video but said as street boss Lombardo could go above aiuppa who was the actual boss which makes no sense. Lombardo being street boss would be incorrect though in 82 anyways. There has never been any information saying the other capos went through Lombardo and there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. For instance according to Nick calabrese Angelo lapietra got his orders through aiuppa. Red also stated the last supper photo was taken when Lombardo was made street boss lol. That was just one example I found at random I know the videos are filled with more that’s why I stopped watching that showPolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:49 pmEhhhh. If that’s what he’s saying, he wasn’t ever saying it before. A couple of years ago I spoke to Red at length, and was very specific in querying him about what he knew about Lombardo. Red stated that Joey succeeded Alderisio as capo (Red specifically stated “capo”, which he said was what they called it); then, in ‘76, Red stated that Joey was appointed “street boss”. When I asked him if this wasn’t just a synonym for “capo” in Chicago, he was firm that it wasn’t the same thing; per Red, the “street boss” was a capo that served as liaison between the admin and the other capos, as well as the enforcer of the family responsible for ensuring that punishments/hits were carried out. Red was very adamant and clear about this, and never mentioned anything about Lombardo ever getting bumped up further or having any de facto boss status or anything like that prior to going to the can. When I asked him if Lombardo could’ve been a “consigliere” or something akin for the family when he left prison, Red conceded that it was possible but cautioned that he had no knowledge of what happened after he himself left the game. In general, I found Red to be careful to state when he didn’t know a guy or the answer to a question. He’d say “I’m sorry, I wish I could help you, but I didn’t know those guys well (for example, guys in Melrose Park or Cicero). So, when I spoke with him directly, I found him to be honest and straight forward, not embellishing things or exaggerating his own knowledge or role. Sounds like after a couple of years doing these podcasts, he’s getting into “tall tales”.
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https://youtu.be/iHijKJfWXyQAntiliar wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:25 pmI have heard him say that the Last Supper photo was taken when Lombardo was made street boss. He's made that claim pretty consistently. Could you put in a link for the video where you say that he said Lombardo could go over Aiuppa's head?Pete wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:51 pmThanks he did say specifically street boss in the video but said as street boss Lombardo could go above aiuppa who was the actual boss which makes no sense. Lombardo being street boss would be incorrect though in 82 anyways. There has never been any information saying the other capos went through Lombardo and there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. For instance according to Nick calabrese Angelo lapietra got his orders through aiuppa. Red also stated the last supper photo was taken when Lombardo was made street boss lol. That was just one example I found at random I know the videos are filled with more that’s why I stopped watching that showPolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:49 pmEhhhh. If that’s what he’s saying, he wasn’t ever saying it before. A couple of years ago I spoke to Red at length, and was very specific in querying him about what he knew about Lombardo. Red stated that Joey succeeded Alderisio as capo (Red specifically stated “capo”, which he said was what they called it); then, in ‘76, Red stated that Joey was appointed “street boss”. When I asked him if this wasn’t just a synonym for “capo” in Chicago, he was firm that it wasn’t the same thing; per Red, the “street boss” was a capo that served as liaison between the admin and the other capos, as well as the enforcer of the family responsible for ensuring that punishments/hits were carried out. Red was very adamant and clear about this, and never mentioned anything about Lombardo ever getting bumped up further or having any de facto boss status or anything like that prior to going to the can. When I asked him if Lombardo could’ve been a “consigliere” or something akin for the family when he left prison, Red conceded that it was possible but cautioned that he had no knowledge of what happened after he himself left the game. In general, I found Red to be careful to state when he didn’t know a guy or the answer to a question. He’d say “I’m sorry, I wish I could help you, but I didn’t know those guys well (for example, guys in Melrose Park or Cicero). So, when I spoke with him directly, I found him to be honest and straight forward, not embellishing things or exaggerating his own knowledge or role. Sounds like after a couple of years doing these podcasts, he’s getting into “tall tales”.
30 minute mark he talks about aiuppa . And Antillar we both know Lombardo wasn’t street boss in 82
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