Number of murdered members per family

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B. wrote:This idea is pretty big and it's impossible to ever get a correct count, but I was thinking about how families aren't supposed to make new members in place of members who have been murdered (though this rule has been broken).
Do you know which of the NY Families were known to have broken this rule? Seems to have been followed closely, post-1950s at least.
Sorry, I should clarify that I don't mean they explicitly replaced murdered members, but that they made up names of dead members so that they could add more people to their ranks. So in effect, they were cancelling out some of the empty spots in membership totals that would have been left by murdered members. I don't think they ever actually put the names of murdered members on a list. The reason for this topic is mainly to see the effect of murders on membership totals.

Thanks for adding more names. I wonder if the same rule applies to members who were killed for unsanctioned reasons (like the girlfriend you mentioned). I would assume not.
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Pogo, wasn't Patty Testa a made guy with the Luccheses who got clipped?
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Snakes wrote:Okay, I am going to try and run through the rest of Chicago and just toss some names on there with a sort of yay or nay vote from myself.

Antilliar should be able to weigh in on some of the older ones as well as add some more names.

Jack McGurn (1936) YES
Sam Costello (1938) YES
Lawrence Mangano (1944) YES
Nicholas DeJohn (1947) YES
Leonard Caifano (1951) YES (Are we including non-LCN murders here? Lenny was killed by black policy gangsters.)
Charles Gioe (1954) YES
Frank Maritote (1954) MAYBE (Not sure if he was a made guy or just a bodyguard)
Paul Labriola (1954) YES
Dominick Galiano (1966) YES
Gerald Covelli (1967) NO (not made)
Michael Albergo (1970) NO (not made)
Sam Cesario (1971) YES (Very possible that he was a made guy. I believe he was on some membership lists from the late sixties.)
Guido Fidanzi (1972) MAYBE (Possibly made)
Louis Bombacino (1974) MAYBE (Not sure if he was made but he's listed on some membership charts from the sixties. Always seemed pretty small fry to me, though.)
Sam Marcello (1974) NO (Jimmy Marcello's father; not made)
Chris Cardi (1975) NO (probably not made)
Gerald Carusiello (1979) MAYBE (He may have been made but this may have been an external beef as well)
Sam Guzzino (1981) NO (not made)
Patsy Ricciardi (1985) MAYBE (It's possible he was made, although he was mainly just a guy who owned some Outfit-connected porno theaters, he did hang around with Phil Alderisio and friends back in the sixties)
Michael Spilotro (1986) NO (not made)
This could be a l-o-o-o-n-g list! LOL. Will have to make the best educated guesses on who was made and who wasn't. Regarding your list, Maritote was made. I'm sure of it. Fidanzi and Bombacino were made too. A number of people do believe that Richard Cain (1973) was made, although his father was not Italian. Apparently Outfit guys thought he was; maybe he and Giancana conned them into believing he was. So I'm not saying he was, but some made guys believed he was, so he may have been.

Here's some others back to 1931, but no guarantee of completeness:

Salvatore Lo Verde (1931) YES
Fred DiGiovanni (1932) PROBABLY
Dominic Russo (1933) (Former Philadelphia mobster who relocated to Berwyn) PROBABLY
Joseph Annerino AKA Pepe Genero (1935) PROBABLY
Paul Battaglia (1938) POSSIBLY
Charles Vinci (1942) POSSIBLY
Thomas Oneglia (1943) YES
Sam "Snakes" Gervase (1944) POSSIBLY
Jimmy D'Angelo (1944) POSSIBLY
Frank Abatte (1944) POSSIBLY
Onofrio Vitale (1945) POSSIBLY
Frank Quatrocchi (1946) POSSIBLY
Vincent Benevento (1946) YES
Sam Rinella (1951) POSSIBLY
Anthony Ragucci (1953) - Wayne Johnson, formerly of the Chicago Crime Commission, said he was an "underboss"
Salvatore Moretti (1957) POSSIBLY
Ned Bakes [Ignazio Spacchesi] (1975) POSSIBLY
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Pasquale LoLordo would be another Chicago member, though I don't know what his exact affiliations were.

For Philly, there is also Emanuel Gottobrio killed in the mid-1950s.
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B. wrote: Thanks for adding more names. I wonder if the same rule applies to members who were killed for unsanctioned reasons (like the girlfriend you mentioned). I would assume not.
Haven't seen much discussion on this particular rule, but my understanding is it doesn't matter if the person was killed in a sanctioned murder or not. The rule was put in place to prevent guys being killed for minor reasons, or for another proposed guy more favored by whoever ordered the killing to step in and take the dead member's business, etc. If a murder like Castello's is allowed it would just give guys the incentive to cop a sneak and then achieve the same outcome the rule was supposed to prevent. Need more sources that specifically address this rule to say for sure though.


Luccheses 1970-2000s

- James 'Jimmy Doyle' Plumeri (Soldier; 68y) (September 17, 1971)

- Joseph 'Joe Bikini' Brocchini (Soldier; 43y) (May 19, 1976) [Unsanctioned; DeMeo Crew]

- Andimo Pappadio (Admin Position?; 62y) (September 24, 1976) [Lucchese Member CI has Pappadio as the Family Acting Boss circa April 1976, nothing mentioned afterwards. D'Arco claimed he was Consigliere]

* - Vincent Papa (Soldier; 59y) (July 26, 1977) [FBI carried him as a Soldier]

- Martin 'Jinks' DeSaverio (Soldier; 65y) (February 1, 1982)

- Anthony 'Tony Blue Eyes' Stabile (Soldier; 36y) (May 8, 1982) [Unsanctioned]

- Anthony 'Buddy' Luongo (Capodecina; 47y) (November 18, 1986)

- Carmine Varriale (Soldier; 30y) (September 3, 1987)

- Donato 'Finnegan' Christiano (Soldier; 51y) (November 1987)

- Leo 'The Zip' Giammona (Soldier; 64y) (June 23, 1988)

- Michael Pappadio (Soldier; 66y) (May 13, 1989)

- John Petrucelli (Soldier; 46y) (September 13, 1989)

- Anthony DiLapi (Soldier; 53y) (February 4, 1990)

- Michael Salerno (Capodecina; 67y) (June 1990)

- Bruno Facciolo (Soldier; 53y) (August 24, 1990)

- Patrick Testa (Soldier; 35y) (December 2, 1992) [Unsanctioned?]

- Albert Circelli (Soldier) (December 22, 2003) [Unsanctioned]

- Frank Lagano (Soldier; 67y) (April 12, 2007)


What about the DeCavs? There's so little on them pre-1980s. This is about all I can think of: Vincent Rotondo (1988), Louis LaRasso (1991), John D'Amato (1991). There has to be at least a few more through the years.
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Chucky wrote:Pogo, wasn't Patty Testa a made guy with the Luccheses who got clipped?

Yes. He got clipped in 1992.


Thanks for the additions JD. 8-)


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B. wrote:Pasquale LoLordo would be another Chicago member, though I don't know what his exact affiliations were.

For Philly, there is also Emanuel Gottobrio killed in the mid-1950s.
I started the list from 1931. Going back before that would make it even more iffy except for the well-known names. They would have also been pre-Outfit.
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JD wrote:Andimo Pappadio (Admin Position?; 62y) (September 24, 1976) [Lucchese Member CI has Pappadio as the Family Acting Boss circa April 1976, nothing mentioned afterwards. D'Arco claimed he was Consigliere]

Not to get off track but I had been meaning to ask about the Lucchese Consiglieri's during the 70s period. Do you know who held the spot? I have Vicent Roa holding it until about 1973 and Funari getting it in 1981. Pappadio looks to be in between but he was killed in 76. Paul Vario has also been mentioned as the Consiglieri during the 70s but it appears he remained a Capo during this time period.


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I believe Vincent Foceri was made Consigliere around October 1977. He died summer 1979. Not sure for the years before and after.
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Pogo The Clown wrote:A partial Gambino list.


Joseph Fanaro (1913)
Joseph Fontana (1913)
Salvatore "Toto" D'Aquila (1928)
Manfredi "Al” Mineo (1930)
Stefano "Steve" Ferrigno (1930)
James “Jimmy Marino” LePore (1931)
Francesco "Frank/Don Cheech" Scalise (1957)
Joseph Scalise (1957)
Umberto "Albert/The Mad Hatter" Anastasia (1957)
John "Johnny Roberts" Riboloto (1957)
Armand "Tommy" Rava (1957)
Vincent "Jimmy" Squilante (1960)
Alfredo “Freddie the Sidge” Santantonio
James "Jimmy the Clam" Eppolito (1979)
James Eppolito Jr. (1979)
Antonino Inzerillo (1982)
Roy DeMeo (1983)
Peter A. “Pipi” Campisi (1983)
Frank “Cigars” Piccolo (1983)
Paul "Big Paul" Castellano (1985)
Thomas "Tommy the Toupee" Bilotti (1985)
Augustus “Gus” Corrao (1986)
Frank "Frankie D" DeCicco (1986)
Robert "DiBi" DiBernardo (1986)
Louis "Louie" Milito (1988)
Louis "Louie" DiBono (1990)
Bartholomew "Bobby" Boriello (1991)
The Mangano brothers?
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JD wrote:I believe Vincent Foceri was made Consigliere around October 1977. He died summer 1979. Not sure for the years before and after.

Thanks again JD. He was the brother of Louie Beans Foceri right?

The Greek wrote:The Mangano brothers?

Damn I completely brain farted on them. Good call.


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Your missing Thomas debrizzi from the gambino list
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It's Augustus a sclafani not guys corrao
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I meant it's gus sclafani not gus corrao who was murdered
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Thanks for the additions. I've also added Edward "Eddie" Lino (1990) for the Gambinos.


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