SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:48 pm
And now we have every available leader/representative on the street meeting up to discuss LCN business for all 5 families and just because joe says it aint so, it aint so.
And like I said that is separate from the Commission. The NY Bosses were having similar meetings long before the Commission was formed. Read Bonanno's book for a breakdown on what the Commission actually was and how it functioned.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
The answer to "Is there a Commission Still?" Is We dont know just like Antillar said. Any other speculation is everyones opinion, just like 50-75% of everything else on here
newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 3:19 pm
I am speculating, but I'm thinking that it has something to do with the fact that families sent Capos or Soliders as representatives - and that besides Massino, there wasn't a sitting Official Boss present for any of the families. Going off what the historical definition of The Commission was, from the time it was defined up until 1985 - a meeting of random Capos from all 5 families technically wouldn't be a "Commission" meeting
"Louie Bagels, the boss of the Luchese family; Pete Gotti, the acting boss of the Gambino family; Joe Waverly, the consigliere of the Colombo family; Skinny Larry, he was a captain on the panel of the Genovese family; and me, the boss of the Bonanno family," Massino said.
1. So 1 boss, 2 acting bosses, 1 official UB, a consig and a member of the ruling panel, so five administration members of all five families, have a meeting, and its not a commission meeting?
What planet am I on?
2. "There ain't no commission," Massino said. "The last commission we had I was at in 1985 in November. When Paul Castellano got killed in December of 1985, there was never another commission meeting there."
Yet the 85 meet he was there and he wasnt an official boss, and that was a commission meeting.
Am I retarded? (Ryan?!?!)
You are not retarded. You are just a soft Englishman with a fruity high pitched English voice. Why are the English males so feminine? No clue.
However, I agree with you that senior members of the 5 families met to discuss LCN business. That is a Commission Meeting to me.
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:48 pm
And now we have every available leader/representative on the street meeting up to discuss LCN business for all 5 families and just because joe says it aint so, it aint so.
And like I said that is separate from the Commission. The NY Bosses were having similar meetings long before the Commission was formed. Read Bonanno's book for a breakdown on what the Commission actually was and how it functioned.
Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:34 pm
Amazing the pissing match you will go through to argue your points and still not realize youre getting nowhere
Again read Bonannos book. He goes into the details. And the 2000 meeting was a meeting just like they were having before the Commission was formed in 1931.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:20 pm
Again read Bonannos book. He goes into the details. And the 2000 meeting was a meeting just like they were having before the Commission was formed in 1931.
Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:34 pm
Amazing the pissing match you will go through to argue your points and still not realize youre getting nowhere
He's not very bright....however I agree with him.
Finally, my prayers have been answered. Im blushing
Well at least once again it takes another cross-topic from another poster to conclude the Buffalo family is alive and use their stance in the mafia to prove their point. What a world
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:20 pm
Again read Bonannos book. He goes into the details. And the 2000 meeting was a meeting just like they were having before the Commission was formed in 1931.
Ok, So no reasons you can state.
But reeesons.
Here is a big reason. The guy who attended said meeting and chaired it said it was not a Commision meeting, Game over.
And like I said earlier the Bonannos lost their seat in the 1960s and still didn't have one by the time Gravano flipped which coincides when Massino became Boss. So if the Commission was still functioning by 2000 they would have had to have reached out to Massino to inform him that he now had a seat on it. Obviously that never happened. Or are you saying the other Bosses did tell Massino hat he had a seat on the Commission and he is simply lying about it? To what end?
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:31 pm
And like I said earlier the Bonannos lost their seat in the 1960s and still didn't have one by the time Gravano flipped which coincides when Massino became Boss. So if the Commission was still functioning by 2000 they would have had to have reached out to Massino to inform him that he now had a seat on it. Obviously that never happened. Or are you saying the other Bosses did tell Massino hat he had a seat on the Commission and he is simply lying about it? To what end?
Also Ralph Natale was cought on tape in the mid-90s saying there was no Commission when discussing Nicky Scarfo's plot to take back control of Philly (by killing Natale, Merlino and Previte). So that's two Bosses from this era saying there was no Commission.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 8:12 pm
Also Ralph Natale was cought on tape in the mid-90s saying there was no Commission when discussing Nicky Scarfo's plot to take back control of Philly (by killing Natale, Merlino and Previte). So that's two Bosses from this era saying there was no Commission.
Pogo
Well that's a wrap. Are there transcripts of that tape/recording?
If we had Todaro himself on tape saying he contacted the Commision the Buffalo thread would be 3000 pages. Violi's word still counts, but the reformation of the Commission would be huge and we can't be sure if he meant it literally or if he simply meant Todaro contacted the NYC bosses. Like Antiliar said earlier, we're not in a position to truly know so I'm agnostic and can only go with the last known info, which is that the Commission as we once understood it ceased to exist in the mid-1980s.
Game.