2022 national confirmed membership counts

[Newyorkempire]

All due respect, but I live here.

So what? How does living in a given area give you special insight to the inner workings of a secret criminal organization you're not a part of?

Like I’m starting to form the opinion you live in Utah or Montana or something and in terms of actually living in proximity to the real people in the towns you just read about it, there’s absolutely no way you can relate.

Ah, the geography card. Like old times. I do live in Utah. But when it comes to this issue - the current state of the New England LCN - I could live in Egypt and it wouldn't make any difference. More sources are available to anyone, wherever they may be, than by benefit of simply living in an area. I don't need to live in Providence or Boston to see the decline in membership, indictments, etc.

I’m not talking shit, I’m just saying these guys are real people which in many cases I know victims, family members, the cops who really chase them. My Lawyer even has represented some of them. I’ve literally met known members and associates that have been listed on here: it maybe a concept for you, but for some of us it really is reality.

Richard Gambale maintains a residence in York Maine when not in Florida. You can go on a people finder website and see for yourself.

Billy Angelesco lives in Saco, check out the news stories on the last arrest

There’s another dude in Portland that has never popped up on these lists but the street carries as a made guy (apparently) I’m just not going there. If you look hard enough in the last 20 years of justice department press releases and pore
Over lists of known associates I know you can figure it out.

Notwithstanding that’s two. I have successfully defended myself. I win.

If that's the case, what that tells me is these guys are basically inactive. It's not a case of individual members, or the family in general, setting up an outpost in Maine.

Both of you are more then welcome to fly into Logan Airport and check out the scene.

I could move there for the rest of my life and it wouldn't give me any greater insight.

Like literally both of you guys are geniuses and legit factotums/encyclopedias on LCN. I will never take that away from and I can’t, but I’ve noticed every time you guys are threatened with the unknown or the undeniable realization that maybe just maybe guys like Cavita, Bobby Batts, Scott, myself might actually have a greater grasp on LCN in the present in our own home metro areas then you do wherever you live and in whatever subculture of society you inhabit. I have never seen any personal admissions from you guys, and the sheer negativity on top of the defensive tone you take with
Anyone who brings it up, I am now convinced you are both not only so far removed from reality, which is ironic because you accuse all of us of being delusional, despite some of us literally living in the same neighborhoods as these guys and you living literally in Idaho or Utah and once again I will be the first to say, you both are basically scholars and historians on this stuff, but it’s
Time
To
Stop picking everyone else’s opinions or personal life experiences apart, and time to start getting out

To these LCN stronghold cities and sell some
Heroin or do some bookmaking and Loansharking and running underground poker games and buy a garbage truck or run a little extortion so some of these guys you make charts of actually show up and you actually experience something you are so obsessed with to the point you demean guys who follow this stuff as a hobbie for having a different opinion then you

BobbyBatts? The guy who says there are still 15 (or so) members in Kansas City (when there were only 20 members 30 years ago)? He lives in the area, and I find it believable he may know some people, but I've never seen how that equates to him having an inside breakdown of who's burned a saint. But that's me.

Scott? Do we really need to go there?

I'm not trying to be negative or pick on anyone but this issue - people making exaggerated claims about a family and having nothing to support it but their address and anecdotes - is as old as the hills.

Like Pogo you are a real smart guy, but NYempire is right. You are avoiding the fact that a lot of us have committed crime our whole lives and have special insight into our regional underworld. Some of us might have gone to school with made guys or kids of made guys. Some of us literally wave to made guys on our way to the mailbox. This isn’t just a concept far removed from Nebraska. It is our real lives and real friends and Neighbors

NewYorkEmpire? They guy who insists there is still a functioning family with 30+ members in Buffalo? I'm not sure he's been right about anything since he started posting on this forum.

There's at least 30 guys between NY and Canada. Some made some not, some old timers, some younger guys. Smaller than years past ofcourse. I've actually been right about a lot. But another really great attempt to try and deflect your own lack of knowledge about anything relative to the scene here and simply gaslight. Impressive stuff Wiseguy, we are still all in awe of your abilities.

[Newyorkempire]

Your exaggeration of basing everything on charts that haven't been released in almost 20 years is the worst kind. Because you lack the ability to see beyond what the FBI tells you

[Newyorkempire]

Wiseguy, if you know everything already then why are you on this Forum? Just to make sure we don't give our opinions? I'm confused

[Wiseguy]

Timm don’t waste yur time arguing with wiseguy he know it all . Would not know the diffrence between a wise guy and a Boy Scout . Complete moron

But let me ask u one question Wiseguy
If this family is so inactive why did they execute over 20 search warrants in the month of November on these guys houses and phones ?? Or do u not know about that because it’s not on Wikipedia yet . Fucking jerkoff

Ah Eddie Mush. The original New England geography card guy. Your handle fits you perfectly by the way.

Oh, and I didn't say the family is "inactive," Mr. Strawman.

There's at least 30 guys between NY and Canada. Some made some not, some old timers, some younger guys. Smaller than years past ofcourse. I've actually been right about a lot. But another really great attempt to try and deflect your own lack of knowledge about anything relative to the scene here and simply gaslight. Impressive stuff Wiseguy, we are still all in awe of your abilities.

Some made, some not? I'm talking about made members. If you want to include every associate, hanger on, or wannabe in Western NY or Hamilton, there's probably a lot more than 30. But that's not what we were talking about, Mr. Move-the-Goal Posts, which is their dozen or so made members still breathing. It's sort of like Chicago. Once their 15 or so members are gone, it doesn't matter who else is left. By definition, the Outfit would be extinct.

Your exaggeration of basing everything on charts that haven't been released in almost 20 years is the worst kind. Because you lack the ability to see beyond what the FBI tells you

I go with the available info from actual sources. Others tell stories and make shit up.

Hey, I found a list of those unnamed Buffalo members:

1. Mickey Mouse
2. Donald Duck
3. Daffy Duck
4. Goofy
5. Johnny Linguine
6. Larry
7. Moe
8. Curly
9. Tweedle Dee
10. Tweedle Dum
11. Batman
12. Spiderman
13. Superman
14. Joe Biden
15. Solar Solano's dad

Wiseguy, if you know everything already then why are you on this Forum? Just to make sure we don't give our opinions? I'm confused

When did I say I know everything? More Strawman.

[JakeTheSnake630]

If you're talking about some "knockaround" street guys here and there, I can see that, but I doubt there's 2 or 3 members living in southern Maine.
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All due respect, but I live here. Like I’m starting to form the opinion you live in Utah or Montana or something and in terms of actually living in proximity to the real people in the towns you just read about it, there’s absolutely no way you can relate. I’m not talking shit, I’m just saying these guys are real people which in many cases I know victims, family members, the cops who really chase them. My Lawyer even has represented some of them. I’ve literally met known members and associates that have been listed on here: it maybe a concept for you, but for some of us it really is reality.

Richard Gambale maintains a residence in York Maine when not in Florida. You can go on a people finder website and see for yourself.

Billy Angelesco lives in Saco, check out the news stories on the last arrest

There’s another dude in Portland that has never popped up on these lists but the street carries as a made guy (apparently) I’m just not going there. If you look hard enough in the last 20 years of justice department press releases and pore
Over lists of known associates I know you can figure it out.

Notwithstanding that’s two. I have successfully defended myself. I win.
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Pretty sure Bobby C lives up there too. O.O.B. has that boardwalk with a lot of cash only business so Im sure its a decent earn. It's not Atlantic City in its prime but its good enough.

[Newyorkempire]

Timm don’t waste yur time arguing with wiseguy he know it all . Would not know the diffrence between a wise guy and a Boy Scout . Complete moron

But let me ask u one question Wiseguy
If this family is so inactive why did they execute over 20 search warrants in the month of November on these guys houses and phones ?? Or do u not know about that because it’s not on Wikipedia yet . Fucking jerkoff

Ah Eddie Mush. The original New England geography card guy. Your handle fits you perfectly by the way.

Oh, and I didn't say the family is "inactive," Mr. Strawman.

There's at least 30 guys between NY and Canada. Some made some not, some old timers, some younger guys. Smaller than years past ofcourse. I've actually been right about a lot. But another really great attempt to try and deflect your own lack of knowledge about anything relative to the scene here and simply gaslight. Impressive stuff Wiseguy, we are still all in awe of your abilities.

Some made, some not? I'm talking about made members. If you want to include every associate, hanger on, or wannabe in Western NY or Hamilton, there's probably a lot more than 30. But that's not what we were talking about, Mr. Move-the-Goal Posts, which is their dozen or so made members still breathing. It's sort of like Chicago. Once their 15 or so members are gone, it doesn't matter who else is left. By definition, the Outfit would be extinct.

Your exaggeration of basing everything on charts that haven't been released in almost 20 years is the worst kind. Because you lack the ability to see beyond what the FBI tells you

I go with the available info from actual sources. Others tell stories and make shit up.

Hey, I found a list of those unnamed Buffalo members:

1. Mickey Mouse
2. Donald Duck
3. Daffy Duck
4. Goofy
5. Johnny Linguine
6. Larry
7. Moe
8. Curly
9. Tweedle Dee
10. Tweedle Dum
11. Batman
12. Spiderman
13. Superman
14. Joe Biden
15. Solar Solano's dad

Wiseguy, if you know everything already then why are you on this Forum? Just to make sure we don't give our opinions? I'm confused

When did I say I know everything? More Strawman.

[Newyorkempire]

Wow. What a list. Can you say mental illness?

[Pogo The Clown]

For those who don't know Eddie Mush is JR Russo and NYempire is Rooster from the GBB forum. Both fanboys who like to pretend they are connected to the mob on that forum. Unfortunately they have brought their act over here.


Pogo

[Eddie mush]

100% false . I am not posting as JR russo
jr Russo claims to be connected and done time
I am not connected but grew up in east Boston and at the time I lived there it’s impossible not to know some wiseguys . I have also never done time or wanted to be a wiseguy. I have owned and operated a small pizzeria north of Boston for about 25 years now and that’s good enough for me
But keep thinking u know everything

We had some great Boston posters like TJ AND luca but the total arrogance of people like wiseguy and pogo have forced them to leave . Thanks Guys good Job

[Newyorkempire]

For those who don't know Eddie Mush is JR Russo and NYempire is Rooster from the GBB forum. Both fanboys who like to pretend they are connected to the mob on that forum. Unfortunately they have brought their act over here.


Pogo

No one's pretending anything like that. It's you and Wiseguy assuming no one knows anything unless they read articles are FBI files and even if someone was connected on here posting you wouldn't know if it they were or weren't. You and Wiseguy aren't the foremost experts on all things Mafia as much as you wish you were.

[Wiseguy]

100% false . I am not posting as JR russo
jr Russo claims to be connected and done time
I am not connected but grew up in east Boston and at the time I lived there it’s impossible not to know some wiseguys . I have also never done time or wanted to be a wiseguy. I have owned and operated a small pizzeria north of Boston for about 25 years now and that’s good enough for me
But keep thinking u know everything

We had some great Boston posters like TJ AND luca but the total arrogance of people like wiseguy and pogo have forced them to leave . Thanks Guys good Job

That's a load of hooey. The only person who can "force" somebody to leave is the administrator (and maybe the mods?). Your post reminds me of pic/lenehan. He loved people eating out of his hand but his thin skin couldn't take anybody questioning him or presenting evidence that contradicted anything he said. If someone leaves because of that, they're likely bullshit artists to begin with and their departure is no big loss to any forum.

Who said they "know everything?" The topic is the current state of the New England family (really the Boston family at this point). One can look at the decline in membership, the decline in indictments, as well as statements from law enforcement on the family.

Again, how exactly does living in an area afford someone insight into the current state of the local mob family? Maybe one sees mob guys on the street from time to time. Maybe they even know one or know somebody that knows one. How does that translate to them having some special insight into inner workings of a criminal organization they're not a part of?

For example, last year, 32 Norteno gang members were indicted in Salt Lake City (they had been supplied by the CJNG). But simply living in Utah, in itself, doesn't tell me much about them. But reading the press release on the indictment and related articles told me a lot.

You and Wiseguy aren't the foremost experts on all things Mafia as much as you wish you were.

That's why we defer to reputable sources and not people posting on a forum pretending to have special knowledge they don't.

[Pogo The Clown]

The topic is the current state of the New England family (really the Boston family at this point). One can look at the decline in membership, the decline in indictments, as well as statements from law enforcement on the family.

Funny enough if you scroll through ''Eddie Mushs" posts when he first got here he was saying the same thing about NE (claiming he "heard it on the street" of course). Now he has completely reversed himself and is arguing against it.


Pogo

[Eddie mush]

Yea Einstein wen u Live in a mob area u hear things
People love to gossip like little school girls
Everyone knows Some1 who knows Some1 who can’t wait to tell u there business . Hearing gossip and info dosnet make u a connected guy

I hear streeet info all the time dosnet make me connected
That’s how I know about the search warrants that were executed. I even know a couple of they guys who got there houses searched again doesn’t make me connected
But it does make me more insightful than u and wiseguy who live in the middle of Hicksville America and only repeat what you read online

U 2 both know shit about the Boston oc scene
End of Subject

[Wiseguy]

Yea Einstein wen u Live in a mob area u hear things
People love to gossip like little school girls
Everyone knows Some1 who knows Some1 who can’t wait to tell u there business . Hearing gossip and info dosnet make u a connected guy

I hear streeet info all the time dosnet make me connected
That’s how I know about the search warrants that were executed. I even know a couple of they guys who got there houses searched again doesn’t make me connected
But it does make me more insightful than u and wiseguy who live in the middle of Hicksville America and only repeat what you read online

U 2 both know shit about the Boston oc scene
End of Subject

"I know a guy who got his house searched so let me tell you the overall current state of the New England mob."

[Costigan]

For example, last year, 32 Norteno gang members were indicted in Salt Lake City (they had been supplied by the CJNG). But simply living in Utah, in itself, doesn't tell me much about them. But reading the press release on the indictment and related articles told me a lot.

I'm not taking sides here, I get the Pogo/Wiseguy argument about relying on law enforcement, primarily FBI reports, to get up-to-date information about the status of which ever crime family they may be investigating. I just wanted to point out the quote from Wiseguy. Just because he lives in Utah doesn't mean he knows anything about the Nortenos, or any other Latin gang that may be operating in that state. HOWEVER, if Wiseguy were a hispanic day-worker from a lower middle class neighborhood who made half his income with side hustles on the street, he might well have an idea about Nortenos or other Latin gangs in his area.
It may well be the same with a non-made lower-middle class Italian American who makes part of his income dealing drugs or hustling. With his ear to the street he may have a different outlook on Mafia culture in his neighborhood or city. I'm not saying that translates into membership numbers, just that one guy who actually lives there will look at it differently than another guy who is an outsider.