Brooklyn, Bronx and Manhattan neighborhood questions

[Angelo Santino]

1 When people referred to "Bensonhurst" were they referring to just that neighborhood alone or was that what people called that area of Brooklyn? Did it include Borough Park, Bath Beach and Gravesend or were they considered separate neighborhoods?" Oddo was called Johnny Bensonhurst after all.

2 The area of Carroll Gardens and Red Hook was once known as "South Brooklyn" in the early 1900's (BK only became part of NYC in "the great mistake of" 1898.) What was that area known as post-1950's?

3 In Manhattan, E96 down to 34th between 1st and 3rd, is that "the east side" or were distinctions made between neighborhoods on the map like East Village and Midtown?

4 Lower Manhattan would be West Side, Little Italy and Lower East Side? Was "the Bowery" still a thing?

Any input would be appreciated.

[bronx]

JOHNNY BATH BEACH.. bath beach was benson hurst, dyker heights was cut off on the other side 13th ave the other cut off was 60 th street that started borough park

[bronx]

it went by the post office name i.e. bath beach p.o. dyker p.o.ect

[Angelo Santino]

JOHNNY BATH BEACH.. bath beach was benson hurst, dyker heights was cut off on the other side 13th ave the other cut off was 60 th street that started borough park

"Wasn't!" The only thing I know in this world about John Oddo is that his nick was Johnny Bath Beach, lol.

it went by the post office name i.e. bath beach p.o. dyker p.o.ect

That makes perfect sense. Thank you.

[JeremyTheJew]

Manhattan west side is referring to Greenwhich village and up to to Harlem.

LES is technically everything under Houston (where the #s stop) but sometimes covers alphabet city which is right above LES and where a lot of Jewish gangsters and some like luciano are from.

Little Italy is kinda right in the middle of LES and Greenwhich Village (which is still a local neighborhood that is not 100% gentrified like the rest of Nyc)

[PolackTony]

2 The area of Carroll Gardens and Red Hook was once known as "South Brooklyn" in the early 1900's (BK only became part of NYC in "the great mistake of" 1898.) What was that area known as post-1950's?

There are still old timers who call that area “South Brooklyn”. This is confusing to some as it is nowhere near the southern part of the boro of Brooklyn but it was the southern part of the original town of Brooklyn. The BQE is the divining line between what’s considered Red Hook and Carroll Gardens today, but the BQE was built in the 50s. Prior to that, I believe that Carroll Gardens was thought of as part of Red Hook, and neighborhood people probably carried on thinking of it like that after the expressway was built. “Carroll Gardens” as a separate neighborhood from Red Hook within the old South Brooklyn I think really only took off with gentrification from the 60s onwards.

3 In Manhattan, E96 down to 34th between 1st and 3rd, is that "the east side" or were distinctions made between neighborhoods on the map like East Village and Midtown?

From E96 down to E59 is the UES. There were/are distinct sub neighborhoods within the UES, such as Lenox Hill and Yorkville (which in the time period that you’re interested in was a major German community). Below 59 is Turtle Bay, Murray Hill, Midtown East.

[Angelo Santino]

For 1963 this is what I have for how many Gambino members lived where (it's still a work in progress and there's 25 I havn't ID'd which will change the results)-

Brooklyn
Bensonhurst 19
Bath Beach 14
Dyker Heights 11
Gravesend 10
Borough Park 9
Carroll Gardens 9
Cobble Hill 5
South BK 5
Park Slope 5
Bushwick 4
Ocean Hill 3
Prospect Heights 3
Greenwood 2
Kensington 2
Sheepshead Bay 2
Brooklyn Heights 1
Coney Island 1
Crown Heights 1
Farragut 1
Greenpoint 1
Mapleton 1
Marine Park 1
Ocean Parkway 1
Red Hook 1
South Slope 1
Sunset Park 1
Williamsburgh 1

Manhattan
East Harlem 22
East Village 10
Little Italy 9
Washington Heights 4
Sutton Place 3
Yorksville 3
Bowery 2
West Village 2
Bedford-Stuyvesant 1
Chelsea 1
Flatiron 1
Greenwich Village 1
Lenox Hill 1
Lincoln Square 1
Murray Hill 1
Park Slope 1
Upper East Side 1

Bronx
Belmont 4
Westchester Square 3
Melrose 2
Wakefield 2
West Bronx 2
City Island 1
East Tremont 1
Highbridge 1
Indian Village 1
Laconia 1
Morris Park 1
Pelham Bay 1
Pelham Gardens 1
Van Nest 1
Woodstovk 1

[Stroccos]

Where did Carlo gambino live ?

[Angelo Santino]

Where did Carlo gambino live ?

Gravesend.
2230 ocean pkwy.

[PolackTony]

Where did Carlo gambino live ?

Gravesend.
2230 ocean pkwy.

I call that part of Gravesend “Nueva Granada”, due to the large concentration of Sephardim who’ve decked out their houses to look like old Spanish villas.

[TSNYC]

For 1963 this is what I have for how many Gambino members lived where (it's still a work in progress and there's 25 I havn't ID'd which will change the results)-

Brooklyn
Bensonhurst 19
Bath Beach 14
Dyker Heights 11
Gravesend 10
Borough Park 9
Carroll Gardens 9
Cobble Hill 5
South BK 5
Park Slope 5
Bushwick 4
Ocean Hill 3
Prospect Heights 3
Greenwood 2
Kensington 2
Sheepshead Bay 2
Brooklyn Heights 1
Coney Island 1
Crown Heights 1
Farragut 1
Greenpoint 1
Mapleton 1
Marine Park 1
Ocean Parkway 1
Red Hook 1
South Slope 1
Sunset Park 1
Williamsburgh 1

Manhattan
East Harlem 22
East Village 10
Little Italy 9
Washington Heights 4
Sutton Place 3
Yorksville 3
Bowery 2
West Village 2
Bedford-Stuyvesant 1
Chelsea 1
Flatiron 1
Greenwich Village 1
Lenox Hill 1
Lincoln Square 1
Murray Hill 1
Park Slope 1
Upper East Side 1

Bronx
Belmont 4
Westchester Square 3
Melrose 2
Wakefield 2
West Bronx 2
City Island 1
East Tremont 1
Highbridge 1
Indian Village 1
Laconia 1
Morris Park 1
Pelham Bay 1
Pelham Gardens 1
Van Nest 1
Woodstovk 1

Park slope is Bklyn

Cool list. Be curious to see names / addresses at some point. Nice work

[johnny_scootch]

1 When people referred to "Bensonhurst" were they referring to just that neighborhood alone or was that what people called that area of Brooklyn? Did it include Borough Park, Bath Beach and Gravesend or were they considered separate neighborhoods?" Oddo was called Johnny Bensonhurst after all.

Any input would be appreciated.

Bensonhurst is bordered by 5 neighborhoods Bath Beach, Dyker Heights, Gravesend, Mapleton and Borough Park. So in the past especially when all those neighborhoods were made up of Italians it would be easy to confuse certain parts of all those neighborhoods as being part of Bensonhurst. Plus people would rather say they’re from Bensonhurst as opposed to say Mapleton, especially if you’re Italian.

A bad comparison would be Biggie Smalls everyone who doesn’t know better would say he’s from Bed Stuy and he even said it himself but in truth he was from a neighborhood right next to Bed Stuy called Clinton Hill it just sounded better to say he was from Bed Stuy. This very same thing happens with Bensonhurst.

[johnny_scootch]

I call that part of Gravesend “Nueva Granada”, due to the large concentration of Sephardim who’ve decked out their houses to look like old Spanish villas.

Hasidim but I don’t believ’dem!


Chris, who is listed as from Marine Park? Is it Peter Tortorella?

[PolackTony]

1 When people referred to "Bensonhurst" were they referring to just that neighborhood alone or was that what people called that area of Brooklyn? Did it include Borough Park, Bath Beach and Gravesend or were they considered separate neighborhoods?" Oddo was called Johnny Bensonhurst after all.

Any input would be appreciated.

Bensonhurst is bordered by 5 neighborhoods Bath Beach, Dyker Heights, Gravesend, Mapleton and Borough Park. So in the past especially when all those neighborhoods were made up of Italians it would be easy to confuse certain parts of all those neighborhoods as being part of Bensonhurst. Plus people would rather say they’re from Bensonhurst as opposed to say Mapleton, especially if you’re Italian.

A bad comparison would be Biggie Smalls everyone who doesn’t know better would say he’s from Bed Stuy and he even said it himself but in truth he was from a neighborhood right next to Bed Stuy called Clinton Hill it just sounded better to say he was from Bed Stuy. This very same thing happens with Bensonhurst.

Do or Die Clinton Hill doesn't have the same ring to it...

[PolackTony]

I call that part of Gravesend “Nueva Granada”, due to the large concentration of Sephardim who’ve decked out their houses to look like old Spanish villas.

Hasidim but I don’t believ’dem!

Hasidim are Ashkanuzis.