Pete wrote:If he really stuck Victoria with all that debt like your saying she wouldn't be running to him for help on these things like people not paying their rent seems pretty obvious he's still the muscle behind it and he uses his ex wife and current wife as the fronts
How do you know she isn't running to him because he still holds some sway with the business associates that she deals with on a daily basis? He obviously knows the business very well since he's been doing it for years. You think her sons are going to intimidate anybody? Until the financials are released on their true liquid assets, you won't know and I won't know. Owning property and businesses are assets...not liquid, and we don't know what the financial reports of his businesses are, do we? True net worth comes from stocks, bonds and liquid assets. If in fact he has defaulted, the government of the United States has him on the hook for $10 million, $850k to his wife and more restitution to his victims...they could put a lean on anything he has worth money for him to satisfy the debt. Net worth is calculated by your debt to income ratio.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
Victoria had an "interest" in some of the properties but his name was attached to all of them. It wasn't all in her name. He didn't transfer his share of their home until 2005. Therefore, he is on the hook.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
I read the most recent article and the indictment and I did not see anywhere where it said he defaulted on the $10m fine or settlement. The government made it a point to say he was in touch with "mob associates" in the scrap metal business from NY and if it was anybody important, they would have been mentioned. Like I said Pete, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying but there has been 1 article on Cleveland.com on August 20th and I have seen no other articles since then. Let alone specific information on what he has or what he left. Being set up for life as you said tells me that his 3 kids and his ex wife never have to work again and they could live on the interest from their investments. Guys like Carmine Agnello don't set up trusts or properly financially plan because they work in cash businesses and cannot report true earnings to the IRS. The Kennedy family is set for life. The Profaci family is set for life. The Vanderbilt's are set for life. Your definition of being set for life and my definition of being set for life may be quite different. His kids aren't cut out for the life. Papa Gotti was a street guy and came from poverty...these bumbling idiots had their asses wiped for years and come from Long Island which is a long way from Bensonhurst.
Lol I'm not saying their entire family is set for life like the kennedys im saying his kids are doing pretty good off his wealth. I'll go through and find some links for you on the information im talking about specifically his failure to pay any of the 10 mil as well as current interests. Keep in mind a lot of it is vague because of ongoing investigations in regards to his interests in ny and who he is still dealing with. also I don't believe for one second the kids are actual gangsters or trying to be just that they are using all the connections they can to do well financially
I agree with phat,I love those old fucks and he's right.we all got some cosa nostra in us.I personnely love the life.I think we on the forum would be the ultimate crew! - camerono
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
I read the most recent article and the indictment and I did not see anywhere where it said he defaulted on the $10m fine or settlement. The government made it a point to say he was in touch with "mob associates" in the scrap metal business from NY and if it was anybody important, they would have been mentioned. Like I said Pete, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying but there has been 1 article on Cleveland.com on August 20th and I have seen no other articles since then. Let alone specific information on what he has or what he left. Being set up for life as you said tells me that his 3 kids and his ex wife never have to work again and they could live on the interest from their investments. Guys like Carmine Agnello don't set up trusts or properly financially plan because they work in cash businesses and cannot report true earnings to the IRS. The Kennedy family is set for life. The Profaci family is set for life. The Vanderbilt's are set for life. Your definition of being set for life and my definition of being set for life may be quite different. His kids aren't cut out for the life. Papa Gotti was a street guy and came from poverty...these bumbling idiots had their asses wiped for years and come from Long Island which is a long way from Bensonhurst.
Lol I'm not saying their entire family is set for life like the kennedys im saying his kids are doing pretty good off his wealth. I'll go through and find some links for you on the information im talking about specifically his failure to pay any of the 10 mil as well as current interests. Keep in mind a lot of it is vague because of ongoing investigations in regards to his interests in ny and who he is still dealing with. also I don't believe for one second the kids are actual gangsters or trying to be just that they are using all the connections they can to do well financially
I could see that. However, if the kids are set up in businesses through him, they are obviously dealing with people who are connected or are thieves...a recipe for an indictment down the road. The Feds would love nothing more than to crucify both personally and financially another Gotti kin. I thought the kids never spoke to him as they have blamed him for their mother's previous financial issues? Whats the story there?
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
I read the most recent article and the indictment and I did not see anywhere where it said he defaulted on the $10m fine or settlement. The government made it a point to say he was in touch with "mob associates" in the scrap metal business from NY and if it was anybody important, they would have been mentioned. Like I said Pete, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying but there has been 1 article on Cleveland.com on August 20th and I have seen no other articles since then. Let alone specific information on what he has or what he left. Being set up for life as you said tells me that his 3 kids and his ex wife never have to work again and they could live on the interest from their investments. Guys like Carmine Agnello don't set up trusts or properly financially plan because they work in cash businesses and cannot report true earnings to the IRS. The Kennedy family is set for life. The Profaci family is set for life. The Vanderbilt's are set for life. Your definition of being set for life and my definition of being set for life may be quite different. His kids aren't cut out for the life. Papa Gotti was a street guy and came from poverty...these bumbling idiots had their asses wiped for years and come from Long Island which is a long way from Bensonhurst.
Lol I'm not saying their entire family is set for life like the kennedys im saying his kids are doing pretty good off his wealth. I'll go through and find some links for you on the information im talking about specifically his failure to pay any of the 10 mil as well as current interests. Keep in mind a lot of it is vague because of ongoing investigations in regards to his interests in ny and who he is still dealing with. also I don't believe for one second the kids are actual gangsters or trying to be just that they are using all the connections they can to do well financially
I could see that. However, if the kids are set up in businesses through him, they are obviously dealing with people who are connected or are thieves...a recipe for an indictment down the road. The Feds would love nothing more than to crucify both personally and financially another Gotti kin. I thought the kids never spoke to him as they have blamed him for their mother's previous financial issues? Whats the story there?
Right that's what I was getting at the way it's played up in the press is different than it is now. Seems like when carmine first went away he was stiffing them financially to get back at Victoria but since he's got out its very different his sons are working with his old partner jumbo and seems to have some control over these as she's having him lean on people for money for her etc that's another thing she plays up this babe in the woods routine she knew nothing until he was indicted back in 99 but there's those videos of gotti sr from before then talking about this idiot will be indicted any day now. Also there's numerous records online of his arrests in the 80's when they were already married for boosting cars, funny money, and other stuff. She knew all along but milked it for the good life then pleads ignorance
I agree with phat,I love those old fucks and he's right.we all got some cosa nostra in us.I personnely love the life.I think we on the forum would be the ultimate crew! - camerono
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
I read the most recent article and the indictment and I did not see anywhere where it said he defaulted on the $10m fine or settlement. The government made it a point to say he was in touch with "mob associates" in the scrap metal business from NY and if it was anybody important, they would have been mentioned. Like I said Pete, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying but there has been 1 article on Cleveland.com on August 20th and I have seen no other articles since then. Let alone specific information on what he has or what he left. Being set up for life as you said tells me that his 3 kids and his ex wife never have to work again and they could live on the interest from their investments. Guys like Carmine Agnello don't set up trusts or properly financially plan because they work in cash businesses and cannot report true earnings to the IRS. The Kennedy family is set for life. The Profaci family is set for life. The Vanderbilt's are set for life. Your definition of being set for life and my definition of being set for life may be quite different. His kids aren't cut out for the life. Papa Gotti was a street guy and came from poverty...these bumbling idiots had their asses wiped for years and come from Long Island which is a long way from Bensonhurst.
Lol I'm not saying their entire family is set for life like the kennedys im saying his kids are doing pretty good off his wealth. I'll go through and find some links for you on the information im talking about specifically his failure to pay any of the 10 mil as well as current interests. Keep in mind a lot of it is vague because of ongoing investigations in regards to his interests in ny and who he is still dealing with. also I don't believe for one second the kids are actual gangsters or trying to be just that they are using all the connections they can to do well financially
I could see that. However, if the kids are set up in businesses through him, they are obviously dealing with people who are connected or are thieves...a recipe for an indictment down the road. The Feds would love nothing more than to crucify both personally and financially another Gotti kin. I thought the kids never spoke to him as they have blamed him for their mother's previous financial issues? Whats the story there?
Right that's what I was getting at the way it's played up in the press is different than it is now. Seems like when carmine first went away he was stiffing them financially to get back at Victoria but since he's got out its very different his sons are working with his old partner jumbo and seems to have some control over these as she's having him lean on people for money for her etc that's another thing she plays up this babe in the woods routine she knew nothing until he was indicted back in 99 but there's those videos of gotti sr from before then talking about this idiot will be indicted any day now. Also there's numerous records online of his arrests in the 80's when they were already married for boosting cars, funny money, and other stuff. She knew all along but milked it for the good life then pleads ignorance
She's a whore IMO
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
And two of her kids might have been fathered by John Alite.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote:And two of her kids might have been fathered by John Alite.
Pogo
Is that innuendo or are there facts?
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
No established facts but Alite claimed that he had a long going going affair with her and her two oldest kids look just like him (with the same butt chin and everything).
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote:No established facts but Alite claimed that he had a long going going affair with her and her two oldest kids look just like him (with the same butt chin and everything).
Pogo
A DNA test should be taken. Those idiots will get jammed up soon.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
Pogo The Clown wrote:No established facts but Alite claimed that he had a long going going affair with her and her two oldest kids look just like him (with the same butt chin and everything).
Pogo
Yeah but they don't have his banged up teeth. Those aren't his kids. He probably did bang her though.
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
Victoria had an "interest" in some of the properties but his name was attached to all of them. It wasn't all in her name. He didn't transfer his share of their home until 2005. Therefore, he is on the hook.
Zero chance he just didnt pay any of the ten million. I bet he paid A good portion if not all of it. He had to many assets. As you said the feds would attach leins on everything. Then they force A sale . But maybe his divorce from Victoria could of put the feds on hold or made it harder to force A sale which would of bought then more time. But again I dont believe he didnt pay A dime . NO way that happend
As far putting everything in his current wifes name , she wouldn't be liable for old fines as This would be considered a premarital debt and is unlikely to be held against your future wife. So he could draw A salary and skim the cash while he wifes banks the bulk of the money. Or maybe since he may attract attention and is A felon put it in his wifes name
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
Victoria had an "interest" in some of the properties but his name was attached to all of them. It wasn't all in her name. He didn't transfer his share of their home until 2005. Therefore, he is on the hook.
Zero chance he just didnt pay any of the ten million. I bet he paid A good portion if not all of it. He had to many assets. As you said the feds would attach leins on everything. Then they force A sale . But maybe his divorce from Victoria could of put the feds on hold or made it harder to force A sale which would of bought then more time. But again I dont believe he didnt pay A dime . NO way that happend
As far putting everything in his current wifes name , she wouldn't be liable for old fines as This would be considered a premarital debt and is unlikely to be held against your future wife. So he could draw A salary and skim the cash while he wifes banks the bulk of the money. Or maybe since he may attract attention and is A felon put it in his wifes name
You can believe what you like I'll believe what's been put out there in the documents by the Feds I figure they would have a better idea what was paid, what wasn't, and why he's still a multimillionaire
I agree with phat,I love those old fucks and he's right.we all got some cosa nostra in us.I personnely love the life.I think we on the forum would be the ultimate crew! - camerono
JCB1977 wrote:I was referencing court recorded info. How does he get around the $10m judgement? And where do you get your financial information from regarding the three idiots running businesses? How often does Carmine go back to NY for his business affairs? I have no reason not to believe your info, but something doesn't add up.
Well how can they collect any money if he has nothing in his name? They can't force his wife who owns all the companies to pay his debts. Most all of the financial info I'm referencing has come to light in the numerous articles written over the past few months since he was indicted you'll have to search through them. They said he was in daily contact with mobsters from NY in regards to his various businesses he had goin on with them as well as gangsters from ny with him in Ohio. Lots of interesting stuff.
Victoria had an "interest" in some of the properties but his name was attached to all of them. It wasn't all in her name. He didn't transfer his share of their home until 2005. Therefore, he is on the hook.
Zero chance he just didnt pay any of the ten million. I bet he paid A good portion if not all of it. He had to many assets. As you said the feds would attach leins on everything. Then they force A sale . But maybe his divorce from Victoria could of put the feds on hold or made it harder to force A sale which would of bought then more time. But again I dont believe he didnt pay A dime . NO way that happend
As far putting everything in his current wifes name , she wouldn't be liable for old fines as This would be considered a premarital debt and is unlikely to be held against your future wife. So he could draw A salary and skim the cash while he wifes banks the bulk of the money. Or maybe since he may attract attention and is A felon put it in his wifes name
You can believe what you like I'll believe what's been put out there in the documents by the Feds I figure they would have a better idea what was paid, what wasn't, and why he's still a multimillionaire
post the documents? I bet the latter
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
