Informant who broke meldish case?

[Extortion]

How was the investigation into meldish death started onto the path of londonio, caldwell and madonna and later the others? Whose information was it? I’m currently exploring Guilt for the Guitless right now and skimming the audiobook right now and I’m sure it is in there but just wondering since there were a bunch of unreliable informants who was the original who initiated the investigation? Do we know? Was it really Frank Pasqua III? I thought they didnt use him or he was deemed unreliable.

[mafiastudent]

It lays it all out towards the beginning.

The answer to your question is yes, it was Pasqua's information that started the ball rolling for the indictment.

[Extortion]

Ok thanks. Yeah, this book really exposes overzealous prosecutors in New York…Careers are really made based upon how many mobsters they can get from their bygone era even if they arent as big of a threat anymore. Still a threat but really not in comparison to nyc street crime and gangs these days.

[Dave65827]

Ok thanks. Yeah, this book really exposes overzealous prosecutors in New York…Careers are really made based upon how many mobsters they can get from their bygone era even if they arent as big of a threat anymore. Still a threat but really not in comparison to nyc street crime and gangs these days.

We are talking about a modern day mafia rubout and the fact these guys made millions alone in the hospital rip-off and their drug trafficking rings that where charged in the original 2017 indictment

You had a successful murder, a botched hit, and two attempted assassinations. How are the prosecutors being overzealous

[mafiastudent]

Ok thanks. Yeah, this book really exposes overzealous prosecutors in New York…Careers are really made based upon how many mobsters they can get from their bygone era even if they arent as big of a threat anymore. Still a threat but really not in comparison to nyc street crime and gangs these days.

You're 100% correct. I'm not sure about prosecutors, but FBI agents do receive bonuses when they take down significant OC guys. This has been documented and was a big thing during the congressional hearings with Joseph Salvati about Joe Barboza, Whitey Bulger etc. In the voluminous documentation provided there are many FBI memos in there talking about bonuses etc.

With the prosecution, having a big OC case is a big career boost - Giuliani, Chertoff, Comey and even those who didn't go to higher offices still make their careers with big time corporate law firms. Even Dewey got a boost from Lepke though he didn't get to where he wanted to go. Eugene Gold is another one in that he was able to use what he did with OC to skirt his molestation charge (a 10 year old girl no less) and only get probation (2 years I think.)

What's also interesting - and I'll have to find it and post - is that Justin Dintino who was a huge OC task force guy in Jersey, at a conference he was at about the mob, he said that the mafia is big business and talked about how if you don't have a mafia problem then you don't get any money from the justice department and detailed how when prosecutors present cases to the justice department that it's usually only the mafia ones that get approved. I'm talking Italian mafia. And his issue was that there were so many other problems such as Russian organized crime, gang etc. that he was frustrated that the only focus was on Italian OC. So, for him of all people to say that - I think was significant. He was the guy who went after people like Angelo Bruno, the Cherry Hill Gambinos, etc.

[Pmac2]

Mafia student send me the download link so i could read this book on the crea trial

[mafiastudent]

Mafia student send me the download link so i could read this book on the crea trial

all you have to do is go to guiltfortheguiltless dot com.

[Extortion]

Ok thanks. Yeah, this book really exposes overzealous prosecutors in New York…Careers are really made based upon how many mobsters they can get from their bygone era even if they arent as big of a threat anymore. Still a threat but really not in comparison to nyc street crime and gangs these days.

We are talking about a modern day mafia rubout and the fact these guys made millions alone in the hospital rip-off and their drug trafficking rings that where charged in the original 2017 indictment

You had a successful murder, a botched hit, and two attempted assassinations. How are the prosecutors being overzealous

Oh right. Yeah forgot about the hospital and other things …Maybe I’m a bit wrong here maybe its the FBI…Idk I just think Argenteri building her case around Pasqua and Evangelista is a little bit suspect but it sounds like they really wanted them. I would have left Crea out of indictment but then again he is the underboss so…RICO kind of allows this to take place possibly? I’m not a lawyer but feel he really did get a raw deal. I was simply saying in terms of Crea and his son. Like SR is in jail for life because of a witness they didnt even really use?

Now Madonna got what was coming to him, that’s the guy they want.

[TSNYC]

Argentieri wasn’t the prosecutor. Totally different office.

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Argentieri wasn’t the prosecutor. Totally different office.

She was involved at one point

[mafiastudent]

Argentieri wasn’t the prosecutor. Totally different office.

She was involved at one point

That's correct. In the very beginning when they were fighting over who was going to handle the case between the two offices (Manhattan and Brooklyn, I think? Can't remember.) Plus, she's the one who met with Pasqua initially and put him on the shelf, so to speak, until Ted Otto and Scott Harman came along and dusted him off.

[mafiastudent]

*Hartman.