GL News 10/07/2021

[mafiastudent]

You guys need to go read the article again because Jerry clearly states in each of those pieces that what he wrote was based on the 121-page filing (which he stated) along with 500 plus pages of transcripts which I'm guessing were podcast transcripts. It's clear if you read the article that he didn't watch the podcasts - that he got the information from the filing.

[Cheech]

You guys need to go read the article again because Jerry clearly states in each of those pieces that what he wrote was based on the 121-page filing (which he stated) along with 500 plus pages of transcripts which I'm guessing were podcast transcripts. It's clear if you read the article that he didn't watch the podcasts - that he got the information from the filing.

Lmao. Go tell that to some schmucko that doesnt know any better. No one here believes ole jerry is reading 100 pages of court docs let alone 500. But i know someone that would…

Tell your story walking

[Uforeality]

The prosecution always goes with the hierarchy argument. That no one dies without the bosses ok. Pennisi, thru his podcast and such, has said that murders could happen without the bosses ok. You can't have it both ways in the court so defense attorneys are now quoting Pennisi to benefit their clients.

[TommyGambino]

Thanks for the post.

Capeci is coming off as petty and vindictive. Coupled with his Delucia botch (no apology Jerry?) his 'journalistic' image looks, tarnished (to be nice).

This.

[Etna]

Thanks for posting. I agree that the last item about Pennisi was pretty wack but the first one was intriguing. Could Crea and them really get their verdicts overturned because of these rats running their mouths on podcasts? I don't have a lot of sympathy for Crea and Madonna considering they're career criminals but that case against them was pretty foul. It doesn't seem likely to me that they'll actually get new trials out of this but I'm not a lawyer.

How? Crea ordered the death of Meldish - end of story. He's right where he belongs.

[SonnyBlackstein]

You guys need to go read the article again because Jerry clearly states in each of those pieces that what he wrote was based on the 121-page filing (which he stated) along with 500 plus pages of transcripts which I'm guessing were podcast transcripts. It's clear if you read the article that he didn't watch the podcasts - that he got the information from the filing.

No one here believes ole jerry is reading 100 pages of court docs let alone 500.

Bingo.

[joeycigars]

Thanks for posting. I agree that the last item about Pennisi was pretty wack but the first one was intriguing. Could Crea and them really get their verdicts overturned because of these rats running their mouths on podcasts? I don't have a lot of sympathy for Crea and Madonna considering they're career criminals but that case against them was pretty foul. It doesn't seem likely to me that they'll actually get new trials out of this but I'm not a lawyer.

How? Crea ordered the death of Meldish - end of story. He's right where he belongs.

The attorneys argue that Pennisi's assertion that he plotted to kill John (Junior) Gotti — and that he had the right to do so as a made man — undercuts the "expert testimony" by a federal mob buster that was cited in the prosecution's closing remarks in order to convince the jury "that the Luchese family hierarchy had to approve" the Meldish rubout and were thus guilty of murder.

When Carillo, who has been an investigator for the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's office for 15 years, was asked whether "an associate or made member" can decide to kill someone, Carillo responded, "No," the lawyers wrote.

Carillo was then asked: "Who is allowed to make the decision?"

"An approved murder can only be made," Carillo testified, "by the boss or the acting boss of the family, within — and dealing with the administration of that family. So the calls for murders and violent crimes always get kicked up to the administration of the family with the final say being made by the boss."

Everyone on this board knows this not true , From Vincent Basciano ,Tommy karate to Roy DeMeo Guys killed on there own ,

Props to MS for getting this as far as it is ,Just on Frankie Pasquas admitting to his father killing Meldish so he could get the credit to be made , This alone should be grounds for it to be retried ,Thats reasonable doubt , If not the justice system is in failure

The quote ..
"An approved murder ".....Is linguistic semantic voodoo talk , What is the penal code for Approved murder ???....The penal code for murder is 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder,

Yes I understand RICO laws .. ,

[TSNYC]

I think expert is saying an actual approved murder, meaning it was approved by the boss. Not an unapproved/unsanctioned murder. Assuming some other evidence showed that this was an approved murder. And at time of approval, boss was Madonna. Sounds like some word parsing

[mafiastudent]

You guys need to go read the article again because Jerry clearly states in each of those pieces that what he wrote was based on the 121-page filing (which he stated) along with 500 plus pages of transcripts which I'm guessing were podcast transcripts. It's clear if you read the article that he didn't watch the podcasts - that he got the information from the filing.

No one here believes ole jerry is reading 100 pages of court docs let alone 500.

Bingo.

Just FYI in case some of you don't know how motions are laid out. There is usually and index at the beginning which highlights all the various points included in the filing. So, perhaps Jerry looked at the index and then read the parts he wanted. I don't have a copy of the filing or the transcripts so I have no idea what's in it except for the information Jerry provided in his column. Nor do I have the time to read any sort of court documents no matter whose they are as I'm knee-deep in various projects (I know you guys will comment on that so have at it)...so dream on, boys.

But what I do know is that the filing is on Pacer and accessible to anyone so you can see the index for yourself as I'm 99.9 percent sure that it's laid out that way as 99.9 percent of large motions are.

[mafiastudent]

In addition, most motions will reference what was said in exhibits. So, I imagine all the transcripts referenced ala the podcast quotes came from the exhibits. In the motion, the narrative part of it will reference different parts of the exhibits to support the points being made. Then there will be footnotes of some sort where it'll say (ex. A, 110-120) or something like that so the judge can go to that particular exhibit and look at lines 110-120 for the documentation discussed in the motion.

Just FYI.

[Tonyd621]

Thanks for posting. I agree that the last item about Pennisi was pretty wack but the first one was intriguing. Could Crea and them really get their verdicts overturned because of these rats running their mouths on podcasts? I don't have a lot of sympathy for Crea and Madonna considering they're career criminals but that case against them was pretty foul. It doesn't seem likely to me that they'll actually get new trials out of this but I'm not a lawyer.

How? Crea ordered the death of Meldish - end of story. He's right where he belongs.

How do you know he ordered it?

[Pmac2]

as the formost internet layer of this board, i think crea sr wasnt probaly informed by the acting boss madonna meldish was gonna get whacked. theres no need but he got life just for being the underboss bascially like frank locascio who they had a tape of his boss ordering the murder yet locascio had no role in the hit.

[Pmac2]

layer aka lawyer lol

[Cheech]

You guys need to go read the article again because Jerry clearly states in each of those pieces that what he wrote was based on the 121-page filing (which he stated) along with 500 plus pages of transcripts which I'm guessing were podcast transcripts. It's clear if you read the article that he didn't watch the podcasts - that he got the information from the filing.

No one here believes ole jerry is reading 100 pages of court docs let alone 500.

Bingo.

Just FYI in case some of you don't know how motions are laid out. There is usually and index at the beginning which highlights all the various points included in the filing. So, perhaps Jerry looked at the index and then read the parts he wanted. I don't have a copy of the filing or the transcripts so I have no idea what's in it except for the information Jerry provided in his column. Nor do I have the time to read any sort of court documents no matter whose they are as I'm knee-deep in various projects (I know you guys will comment on that so have at it)...so dream on, boys.

But what I do know is that the filing is on Pacer and accessible to anyone so you can see the index for yourself as I'm 99.9 percent sure that it's laid out that way as 99.9 percent of large motions are.

Hmmm. You seem to know a lot about what he probably did…

[Etna]

Thanks for posting. I agree that the last item about Pennisi was pretty wack but the first one was intriguing. Could Crea and them really get their verdicts overturned because of these rats running their mouths on podcasts? I don't have a lot of sympathy for Crea and Madonna considering they're career criminals but that case against them was pretty foul. It doesn't seem likely to me that they'll actually get new trials out of this but I'm not a lawyer.

How? Crea ordered the death of Meldish - end of story. He's right where he belongs.

How do you know he ordered it?

How do you know he didn't?