Genovese "il Messaggero"

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Genovese "il Messaggero"

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Starting a new thread since we got into this in the LA thread and it has the potential to spiral into 20+ pages given the families in question.

The role of "il messaggero" (messenger) isn't uncommon in discussions of the Genovese family but like many other details related to Genovese inner-workings, I haven't seen a lot of concrete info on it.

From Al D'Arco's testimony:
The Genovese Family has always had an extremely close relationship with the Chicago Family. The Genovese Family is the only LCN family I have ever known to have a member designated as "il messaggero," a messenger between the Genovese and Chicago Families.
- It shouldn't be thought of as a formal rank or official title in the family, but a designated point of contact. Because we lack concrete examples and an in-depth explanation of the role, it could very well be held by a member of any rank within the organization.

- D'Arco thinking this was unique to Genovese/Chicago might have more to do with the time he was active, as fewer national relationships were intact by the early 1990s. There is plenty of evidence other families had similar arrangements around the country before and even during D'Arco's time but he doesn't appear to have known.

- Al D'Arco was close to Genovese members going back decades, but was particularly close to captain/consig Jimmy Ida in the years before he flipped. He was very specific about the term "il messaggero" and its purpose between Chicago/Genovese but unfortunately didn't name anyone in that position.

- An NYC Lucchese member told the FBI how Willie Moretti was the "Eastern representative of the Ricca family" who met with Johnny Roselli, possibly in this context.

- Antiliar and Villain pointed out Genovese member Tony "Goebbels" Ricci served in a similar capacity between the Genovese and Chicago for decades. Reports describe him carrying messages and attending meetings between members of these families.

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Other possibilities:

- Saverio Pollaccia could have been an early one. Traveled to Chicago multiple times in the 1920s and became Masseria's consigliere. Killed on a trip to Chicago with Vito Genovese in 1932. High-ranking member with an ongoing relationship to Chicago makes him a candidate.

- Al Capone was a Genovese capodecina living in Chicago before he became boss, so he could have served as a designated liaison between the two families around 1928-1931. Frankie Yale also had ongoing contact with Chicago before that.

- Michael Genovese is listed as "messenger" under his brother Vito on the Valachi chart. It's the English version of "messaggero" but could just be a reference to helping his jailed brother send messages. A 1964 FBI report notes that Mike Genovese took a trip to Kansas City and they were trying to determine if he was also visiting Chicago but the FBI couldn't verify he made any reservations in Chicago. Interesting either way that he was a "messenger" who traveled to KC, a city closely connected to Chicago.

- Pussy Russo was moved from the Boiardo crew and placed direct with Vito Genovese by the 1950s. As Genovese's aide, Russo was named the Genovese family's designated liaison to a number of US families and he continued in this capacity until his murder in 1979. One family of note was New England, whose relationship to the Genovese went deep. No indication he held this role with Chicago but he was recorded in the 1960s saying Paul Ricca was boss "behind the scenes" and discussing how unlike his national peers Ricca was not Sicilian, showing he was familiar with the Chicago landscape. Russo's mentor Richie Boiardo was raised in Chicago and had contact with alleged Capone associates in NJ.

- Dominick Cirillo's name was thrown around online years ago as the "messaggero" when Gigante was on the street but I don't know what the basis is or if it's just Wiki nonsense. He came up around the Paganos under Tommy Eboli whose son Louis was with the Chicago family.

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Some of the Genovese/Chicago relationships are no doubt simple friendship and general association, not necessarily evidence of a "messaggero" relationship. There are plenty of connections between them, though, and we can't rule out a "messaggero" arrangement either.

Given we still struggle to accurately identify the official admin ranks in the Genovese family and Chicago during certain years, identifying a designated messenger between the families is that much more difficult. Someone carrying messages between the secretive leadership of the Genovese and Chicago families is the epitome of "need to know".

I'm hoping some guys like Eboli, HairyKnuckles, and Wiseguy can add to this as they've looked into the Genovese family much deeper.
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There were more, but I'll have to check further. Of the top of my head:

Philip Lombardo was a messenger and money courier. He was given different assignments at different times. He was direct with the administration and was well-respected before he became a captain. He was responsible for some of the family's connections abroad, delivering messages between NYC and Florida, relaying Vito Genovese's orders from prison, etc.

In a 1960s FBI memo, an informant identified soldier Frank Serpico as a trusted courier for the family. He passed messages to their racket operators in the Tampa Bay, South, and Central Florida areas. He inherited the position from Carmine Toto and Michael Genovese. This position likely went to the early-1940s when Augie Pisano, Jerry Catena, and Joe Adonis established gambling houses in the state.

In the 1940s, Eugene Catena traveled to Chicago in an emissary role, but it is unknown if this was on Genovese business or as Jerry Catena's messenger.

In the 1930s, Willie Moretti traveled often. He even took Jerry Catena with him, and they went to Florida, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Dominick Alongi was also a messenger to Florida and Louisiana because he had familial ties to the local crime contingent.

Tommy Eboli was a messenger to Chicago. An informant noted that he was there so often and didn't give a fuck to ask about his son.

In modern times Andrew Gigante, Mario GIgante, Louis Gigante acted as messengers for Chin. Peter Peluso was the general messenger of the family to Barney Bellomo.

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It was decentralized. The family had different messengers for different things. The connections with Chicago ran deep. They most likely had a few messengers at any time.
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Great stuff both B. and Eboli. Thanks.

We must not forget that the so-called Capone faction started as some type of an extended arm for the Genovese family and later became an independent family but the close connection with the Genoveses never really vanished.

We also need to make a distinction between messengers from the Genovese family and messengers from the Chi Outfit. For example, Ricci together with Torrio allegedly brought Capone to Chicago but later Ricci became an official member of the Genovese family, not Chicago, but remained as one of the main messenger for the two families until the early or mid 60s or until he began receiving lots of heat from the goverment.

As for Chicago, off the top of my head, I can mention Sam Battaglia, Rocco Fischetti and Gus Alex being contacts to the Genoveses during different time periods. For example, Alex was allegedly very much trusted by the Newark faction under Boiardo...
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- Dominick Cirillo's name was thrown around online years ago as the "messaggero" when Gigante was on the street but I don't know what the basis is or if it's just Wiki nonsense. He came up around the Paganos under Tommy Eboli whose son Louis was with the Chicago family.

That tidbit originally came from a government document. I forgot which one.


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Lou A from NJ was in process of moving to Chi before his death

Big $ and capable guy , you have to think they had some joint venture businesses in mind

I wouldn’t be surprised if those two families have more joint interests in the union / construction / gambling then commonly assumed
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TommyNoto wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:05 amI wouldn’t be surprised if those two families have more joint interests in the union / construction / gambling then commonly assumed
I doubt there's much reason for interaction now but back then I imagine the reason for there being a messenger was coordinating the IBT, LIUNA, and HEREIU internationals.
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Great info and an interesting topic. I’d love to know how close the families are in recent years and if there’s any ongoing operations.
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One of the duties of this role was likely to update Chicago on organizational matters. When someone was promoted/demoted they would have likely sent an emmisary to share the news.

This could be distinct from someone who was conducting shared business with Chicago on behalf of the Genovese. More likely these were intertwined to some degree but given the formality of designating "il messaggero", this role likely involved formal organizational matters and established a trusted protocol rather than sending someone random. We see this with other families.

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I agree Villain -- would be good to know if Chicago chose a formal rep for this as well. Formal contact between the Philly and Colombo families was done using Pete Maggio (Philly captain) and Sal Profaci (Colombo soldier), who could set up meetings between their bosses. Profaci shows up again as something of a liaison to Philly in the 1990s.

Gambino leader Joe Traina was more or less messaggero to Philly for decades. They didn't use that word but it was def a formal role. Looking into different families usually reveals certain members used as a steady point of contact. Roselli seems to have been one for LA, Chicago, and NYC.

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Eboli, great info I didn't know.

I've seen that Lombardo was Coppola's acting captain in NYC while Salerno carried messages from FL and helped run the crew. Florida was where the Genovese made a lot of their contacts with other families and Pussy Russo's duties involved meeting with other families in FL and bringing back organizational updates. Not a shocker that the powerhouse Coppola crew was also utilized for these contacts.

Didn't know Tommy Eboli visited Chicago often. Never knew how his son ended up there. If Dom Cirillo was messaggero under Gigante it could be a product of the crew's history. Can anyone find the report Pogo mentioned?
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B. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:53 pm Didn't know Tommy Eboli visited Chicago often. Never knew how his son ended up there.
Louie Eboli was born in Melrose Park in 1934. Tommy Eboli’s family seems to have moved back and forth between Chicago and NYC after they arrived from Naples in 1912. They apparently lived in Chicago for a bit when Tommy was very young, then moved back to NYC. The Ebolis were listed again as living in Chicago in the 1930 census (in the Taylor St area), when Tommy was 19. In 1931, he married Anna Maria Ariola, who was born in Scisicano, Napoli (like the Ebolis) and lived in Melrose Park. Anna Maria and Tommy had a second son as well, Tommy Jr, born in 1936. The next year Tommy Eboli left Anna Maria and remarried in NJ. 1940 census has Tommy with his new family living the Crotona Park East area of the Bronx (funny enough, in the infamous Charlotte St section that was toured by both Carter and Reagan as emblematic of the deep decay of urban America).

Anna Maria’s brother Big Sam Ariola was also an Outfit guy and mentor to Louie Eboli, in the Melrose Park (Pranno/Amabile) subcrew of the Battaglia crew.
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Thanks Tony. Didn't know any of that.

Anyone ever find ties between Strollo and Chicago? Valachi said he was made around 1931 and quickly promoted to captain. Not aware of any national ties but his crew had them.
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B. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:44 pm Thanks Tony. Didn't know any of that.

Anyone ever find ties between Strollo and Chicago? Valachi said he was made around 1931 and quickly promoted to captain. Not aware of any national ties but his crew had them.
Dont know if this can help since I believe most of you have seen this info, but heres one convo regarding Strollo and Giancana....it is possible the Outfit was against it unless im wronfully reading the convo....

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eboli wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:14 am There were more, but I'll have to check further. Of the top of my head:

Philip Lombardo was a messenger and money courier. He was given different assignments at different times. He was direct with the administration and was well-respected before he became a captain. He was responsible for some of the family's connections abroad, delivering messages between NYC and Florida, relaying Vito Genovese's orders from prison, etc.

In a 1960s FBI memo, an informant identified soldier Frank Serpico as a trusted courier for the family. He passed messages to their racket operators in the Tampa Bay, South, and Central Florida areas. He inherited the position from Carmine Toto and Michael Genovese. This position likely went to the early-1940s when Augie Pisano, Jerry Catena, and Joe Adonis established gambling houses in the state.

In the 1940s, Eugene Catena traveled to Chicago in an emissary role, but it is unknown if this was on Genovese business or as Jerry Catena's messenger.

In the 1930s, Willie Moretti traveled often. He even took Jerry Catena with him, and they went to Florida, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Dominick Alongi was also a messenger to Florida and Louisiana because he had familial ties to the local crime contingent.

Tommy Eboli was a messenger to Chicago. An informant noted that he was there so often and didn't give a fuck to ask about his son.

In modern times Andrew Gigante, Mario GIgante, Louis Gigante acted as messengers for Chin. Peter Peluso was the general messenger of the family to Barney Bellomo.

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It was decentralized. The family had different messengers for different things. The connections with Chicago ran deep. They most likely had a few messengers at any time.
That is exceptionally interesting re: Eboli going to Chicago that often as I've always wondered the background on that story. The woman he was married to and had Louie Mooch with was the sister of Big Sam Ariola so I would be surprised if a boss was turning his back on that family or what was going on...
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Villain wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:20 am
B. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:44 pm Thanks Tony. Didn't know any of that.

Anyone ever find ties between Strollo and Chicago? Valachi said he was made around 1931 and quickly promoted to captain. Not aware of any national ties but his crew had them.
Dont know if this can help since I believe most of you have seen this info, but heres one convo regarding Strollo and Giancana....it is possible the Outfit was against it unless im wronfully reading the convo....

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Tangential, but I personally doubt that Giancana didn’t understand any “Italian”, as his parents were from Sicily (so he probably at least understood some Sicilianu/Trapanese dialect). Depending on who was talking, perhaps they were speaking either standard Italian or Napolitano dialect, which Giancana may have had a harder time following.
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PolackTony wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:41 am
Villain wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:20 am
B. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:44 pm Thanks Tony. Didn't know any of that.

Anyone ever find ties between Strollo and Chicago? Valachi said he was made around 1931 and quickly promoted to captain. Not aware of any national ties but his crew had them.
Dont know if this can help since I believe most of you have seen this info, but heres one convo regarding Strollo and Giancana....it is possible the Outfit was against it unless im wronfully reading the convo....

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Tangential, but I personally doubt that Giancana didn’t understand any “Italian”, as his parents were from Sicily (so he probably at least understood some Sicilianu/Trapanese dialect). Depending on who was talking, perhaps they were speaking either standard Italian or Napolitano dialect, which Giancana may have had a harder time following.
Thanks bro. I also think one of Giancanas mistresses said that he was talking in Italian while being in contact with some of his friends, although Phyllis McGuire said that Giancana usually avoided Sicily during their travels around Italy.

Btw, do you think the Outfit was against the Strollo hit (according to the convo)?
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Giancana is on wiretaps speaking Italian with Joseph Costello and others. It could have been a dialect or something that was confusing - also Giancana seemed like a character who liked to fuck with some exceptionally scary guys on the east coast. Balls on that guy lol.
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