Moderator: Capos
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:37 pm I also always remembered Uvino's name being tied to speculation about him having a higher position. Capo...possible Administration... only to find out he was a Solider. No judgement to anybody, speculation is fun. I was definitely somebody who speculated that he'd be in a bigger role than what he was indicted as
If somebody cooperates it will be even better. The administration is surprising, I'm shocked that Allie Boy isn't official boss. I assumed that Allie was official boss and Mush was acting.newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:37 pm I kind of like it when stuff like this happens and we get updates on Admin / Capo positions - seeing guys that we didn't know about holding certain positions. Even though it happens after the fact, it's always great to get a chart and crew succession update.
I also always remembered Uvino's name being tied to speculation about him having a higher position. Capo...possible Administration... only to find out he was a Solider. No judgement to anybody, speculation is fun. I was definitely somebody who speculated that he'd be in a bigger role than what he was indicted as
He was indicted as a Capo in his pervious pinch. Of interest that he's been knocked down.newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:37 pm I also always remembered Uvino's name being tied to speculation about him having a higher position. Capo...
I wonder what source of income he has then. From what I understand, Carmine Persico wanted the title so that he and his family could keep receiving tribute. I guess It's possible that Allie had a deal worked out with Russo where he gets a piece of the tribute in exchange for Russo getting the title.B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:13 pm Last time Russo was running things on the street, the FBI carried Carmine Persico as official boss, Allie Persico as acting boss, and Russo as "street boss". The impression was that Carmine was boss in name only, Allie was calling the shots from prison, and Russo was representing them on the street.
Makes sense they wouldn't elect an incarcerated member as official boss, though. We know that caused issues between the Lucchese and Bonanno families and it is a logistic problem given the official boss is supposed to be re-introduced to the family with his new title.
Pogo in the clutch, with common sense.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:03 amPolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:15 pmThese indictments are hitting the actual family structure hard, but to the degree to which the deeper set of relationships (familial, social, business, racket-based) upon which the mafia depends and through which it exerts its influence are maintained, they will continue to bounce back. To use the botanical metaphor, they’ve chopped a good deal of the trunk and branches off but so long as some soil and roots remain it will grow back. Those latter factors remain, though it remains to be seen how long those networks will remain viable enough to reproduce a formal mafia structure for the family. I wouldn’t bet on the Colombos going the way of the Dodo (or Pittsburgh et al) any time in the immediate future.funkster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:59 pmI think this is probably accurate.Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 pmThe NY families are virtually indestructible from a purely law enforcement standpoint. RICO indictments, informants, etc. certainly help by speeding the process along but its ultimately a slow waiting game for attrition to do its job.nizarsoccer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:50 pmLooking at this indictment, + Amato + thomas farase, they bounced back well after the 2011 indictment.funkster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:32 pmIndeed. Continues to say they'll bounce back even after this.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:12 pmPennisi has been throwing cold water on the idea that “Colombos are weak and on their last leg” for a while now.
And you can see attrition and changing demographics taking a big effect. Out of the 14 guys in this indictment only 2 are under the age of 50 and all 8 of the made members indicted are senior citizens.
You see a big drop off in criminal involvement with guys born in the 1970s and into the early 80s. That number just falls off a cliff when you get to the cohort born in the late 80s and 1990s. The millennials haven't become involved with LCN like previous generations did.
What we are seeing now are guys that were criminals in the 1980s and 1990s and before still engaging in crime but the guys born in the 1980s and 1990s aren't there in sufficient numbers to replace them.
Pogo
Thats a 2011 article
