Enzo Stagno shooting

[chubby]

In 2011, Aiello and Spirito Jr. allegedly assaulted Meldish at a restaurant under orders from imprisoned Bonanno boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso for daring to fool around with Mancuso's girlfriend while he was cooling his heels behind bars for a murder conspiracy. That same year, Meldish retaliated with a baseball bat assault against another Bonanno mobster.

Two years later, according to sources and law enforcement reports, Meldish enlisted Caldwell to whack Stagno, apparently in retaliation for his troubles with Mancuso. The Baker was shot as he sat in a car parked in East Harlem, but survived the assault. (Caldwell is charged in the pending case with shooting Stagno on May 29, 2013.)

Anyone know who the bonnano is who got beat with the baseball bat in retaliation from aiello and Johnny Joe jr fucking him up?????? Doesn’t seem like he plotted to actually get either of the 2 guys who beat his ass… which I’m sure meldish knew them and was acquainted with them before they beat him, you would think he would want get back on aiello or Johnny Joe jr. but seems like he baseball batted some other random, does anyone know who it was????

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I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

[chubby]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

[Ravens410]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

I completely agree. He shelved those guys who were acting administration and, like you said, that’s a lot of money. Just because they took a plea plus he put the Grimaldi’s on the shelf and they have connections with the Sicilians.

[chubby]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

I completely agree. He shelved those guys who were acting administration and, like you said, that’s a lot of money. Just because they took a plea plus he put the Grimaldi’s on the shelf and they have connections with the Sicilians.

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

[CabriniGreen]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

[johnny_scootch]

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

Mancuso shelved all those guys for the same reason Wild Bill is in the ground today. Those 4-5 guys were to close to each other, too rich, too well liked and Joe C had already pulled an end run around him once with that vote. In short Joe C was his biggest rival so he took him and his closest allies out in one fell swoop, which doesn't seem immature or stupid from my point of view.

But like I've said previously I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been taken down off the shelf already. You put them on the shelf to embarrass them and take all their earning abilities away. Make them suffer for a while then see who sends a message thru a back channel wanting to work something out. Divide and conquer.

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

Of course they would be. There's no way you could get 100% of them but you get enough.

[Extortion]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Yeah, Porky was a HUGE earner I heard from that NY post article and Capeci. However, it is possible Mancuso took control of Porky's operation?

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But let's be real...Mancuso did not shelf all those guys and the money just dries up. He's the boss, that money is still probably getting to him...maybe not as much as it was before but lets not pretend he just "hurt his own pocket" like that out of a grudge...this guy is running a crime family, it's all about money.

[chubby]

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

Mancuso shelved all those guys for the same reason Wild Bill is in the ground today. Those 4-5 guys were to close to each other, too rich, too well liked and Joe C had already pulled an end run around him once with that vote. In short Joe C was his biggest rival so he took him and his closest allies out in one fell swoop, which doesn't seem immature or stupid from my point of view.

But like I've said previously I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been taken down off the shelf already. You put them on the shelf to embarrass them and take all their earning abilities away. Make them suffer for a while then see who sends a message thru a back channel wanting to work something out. Divide and conquer.

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

Of course they would be. There's no way you could get 100% of them but you get enough.

Well, If you want to compare wild bill and the Colombo’s killing him, to mancuso shelving 3 important and Influential family members(not so sure how worthwhile Vito’s son is) … look how that ended for the Colombo’s…… they would have been a millions times better of having wild bill take over the family, guy was well liked, had a portion of his personality that was caring and wasn’t 100 percent piece of shit cosa nostra 24/7… had good relationships with other families , monster earner and crew…. Pros and cons of getting rid of him are pretty obvious… Allie boy panicked cause he knew cutolo had way more charisma and better leadership qualities than him and would easily take over when Allie boy had to go do time on that gun charge… Colombo’s were never the same and I think that murder had a lot to do with it…
Same with mancuso… him shelving Saunders, porky and Grimaldi all cause he’s insecure about losing the top spot, cause he obviously knows Saunders must have been doing a good job and probably got jealous hearing good feed back or something about how he was doing a good job as acting boss… I just think taking it personal and letting his ego and feelings get in the way is an amateur move, he’s straight making choices out of anger/emotion…. That family would be much better if it still had Saunders in control of it…

How did Mancuso ever get the support/ pull to have the reigns on the family in the first place??? Especially when he was locked up???? I don’t know… to me both decisions were horrible ones… and I don’t think mancuso is boss material…

[chubby]

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Yeah, Porky was a HUGE earner I heard from that NY post article and Capeci. However, it is possible Mancuso took control of Porky's operation?

Honestly i doubt that mancuso would be able to just take control of porkys whole book that he’s built up over like the last 30 years, especially from behind bars…. And knowing how all these guys love to lie and bullshit about how much $ they’re bringing in… I highly doubt porky would just hand over his operation, or make it that easy for someone to just take control of the whole thing… if mancuso did take control of porkys gambling book, thst makes a killling, what would be the incentive/ chances he would ever in a million years give it back to porky if he was removed from the shelf????

[slimshady_007]

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

Mancuso shelved all those guys for the same reason Wild Bill is in the ground today. Those 4-5 guys were to close to each other, too rich, too well liked and Joe C had already pulled an end run around him once with that vote. In short Joe C was his biggest rival so he took him and his closest allies out in one fell swoop, which doesn't seem immature or stupid from my point of view.

But like I've said previously I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been taken down off the shelf already. You put them on the shelf to embarrass them and take all their earning abilities away. Make them suffer for a while then see who sends a message thru a back channel wanting to work something out. Divide and conquer.

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

Of course they would be. There's no way you could get 100% of them but you get enough.

Well, If you want to compare wild bill and the Colombo’s killing him, to mancuso shelving 3 important and Influential family members(not so sure how worthwhile Vito’s son is) … look how that ended for the Colombo’s…… they would have been a millions times better of having wild bill take over the family, guy was well liked, had a portion of his personality that was caring and wasn’t 100 percent piece of shit cosa nostra 24/7… had good relationships with other families , monster earner and crew…. Pros and cons of getting rid of him are pretty obvious… Allie boy panicked cause he knew cutolo had way more charisma and better leadership qualities than him and would easily take over when Allie boy had to go do time on that gun charge… Colombo’s were never the same and I think that murder had a lot to do with it…
Same with mancuso… him shelving Saunders, porky and Grimaldi all cause he’s insecure about losing the top spot, cause he obviously knows Saunders must have been doing a good job and probably got jealous hearing good feed back or something about how he was doing a good job as acting boss… I just think taking it personal and letting his ego and feelings get in the way is an amateur move, he’s straight making choices out of anger/emotion…. That family would be much better if it still had Saunders in control of it…

How did Mancuso ever get the support/ pull to have the reigns on the family in the first place??? Especially when he was locked up???? I don’t know… to me both decisions were horrible ones… and I don’t think mancuso is boss material…

Well its important to consider that Mancuso is a killer and a feared guy. He has been tied to at least 3 murders and he’s likely been involved in more. After Joe Massino flipped the family was in desperate need of a leader. Mancuso just so happened to be at the right place at the right time and he had enough respect to take the big seat.

[chubby]

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

Mancuso shelved all those guys for the same reason Wild Bill is in the ground today. Those 4-5 guys were to close to each other, too rich, too well liked and Joe C had already pulled an end run around him once with that vote. In short Joe C was his biggest rival so he took him and his closest allies out in one fell swoop, which doesn't seem immature or stupid from my point of view.

But like I've said previously I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been taken down off the shelf already. You put them on the shelf to embarrass them and take all their earning abilities away. Make them suffer for a while then see who sends a message thru a back channel wanting to work something out. Divide and conquer.

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

Of course they would be. There's no way you could get 100% of them but you get enough.

Well, If you want to compare wild bill and the Colombo’s killing him, to mancuso shelving 3 important and Influential family members(not so sure how worthwhile Vito’s son is) … look how that ended for the Colombo’s…… they would have been a millions times better of having wild bill take over the family, guy was well liked, had a portion of his personality that was caring and wasn’t 100 percent piece of shit cosa nostra 24/7… had good relationships with other families , monster earner and crew…. Pros and cons of getting rid of him are pretty obvious… Allie boy panicked cause he knew cutolo had way more charisma and better leadership qualities than him and would easily take over when Allie boy had to go do time on that gun charge… Colombo’s were never the same and I think that murder had a lot to do with it…
Same with mancuso… him shelving Saunders, porky and Grimaldi all cause he’s insecure about losing the top spot, cause he obviously knows Saunders must have been doing a good job and probably got jealous hearing good feed back or something about how he was doing a good job as acting boss… I just think taking it personal and letting his ego and feelings get in the way is an amateur move, he’s straight making choices out of anger/emotion…. That family would be much better if it still had Saunders in control of it…

How did Mancuso ever get the support/ pull to have the reigns on the family in the first place??? Especially when he was locked up???? I don’t know… to me both decisions were horrible ones… and I don’t think mancuso is boss material…

Well its important to consider that Mancuso is a killer and a feared guy. He has been tied to at least 3 murders and he’s likely been involved in more. After Joe Massino flipped the family was in desperate need of a leader. Mancuso just so happened to be at the right place at the right time and he had enough respect to take the big seat.

I will give you that, mancuso is a known killer… porky first act of violence that I know of is when they roughed up the ci who was calling porkys grandchild racial slurs because it’s half black… and I’ve heard varying things about Saunders … someone who grew up with him said he was a pussy who would run to his dad.. but you know how one sided those opinions can be,, cause other people have told me he’s tough with his hands… not sure about any murders but I know porky got 0… also don’t know about Vito Grimaldi, I’m sure he put in work back I. The day cause he’s an old timer… anyone have any more info on his son??? Who also got shelved with them??

[slimshady_007]

I know as If it wasn’t bad enough to shelf People of stature like Saunders and porky .. but then he shelves a well like old timer who basically got along with the whole family… and his son,, all cause vito is saunders father in law… shit just sounds so immature and really fucking stupid..

Mancuso shelved all those guys for the same reason Wild Bill is in the ground today. Those 4-5 guys were to close to each other, too rich, too well liked and Joe C had already pulled an end run around him once with that vote. In short Joe C was his biggest rival so he took him and his closest allies out in one fell swoop, which doesn't seem immature or stupid from my point of view.

But like I've said previously I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have been taken down off the shelf already. You put them on the shelf to embarrass them and take all their earning abilities away. Make them suffer for a while then see who sends a message thru a back channel wanting to work something out. Divide and conquer.

I wonder if Enzo is off the shelf.

Who knows.. probably not if mancuso is still calling shots .. he shelved like his whole acting administration… like guys who were actually worth a shit, we’re well liked, and we’re earners… I still think him Shelfing Saunders and porky and like the. Other 3 he did was one of the more regarded moves I’ve ever seen a boss make… guess he didn’t want those $250k envelopes porky used to kick up to tg as his captain every Christmas, not to mention his weekly kick …. Talk about counter productive and hurting your own pockets…

Question......IS it hurting his pockets? I was under the impression their operations would be taken over by the family, like Vitale did to Tomasulo with the machines? Or no?

Of course they would be. There's no way you could get 100% of them but you get enough.

Well, If you want to compare wild bill and the Colombo’s killing him, to mancuso shelving 3 important and Influential family members(not so sure how worthwhile Vito’s son is) … look how that ended for the Colombo’s…… they would have been a millions times better of having wild bill take over the family, guy was well liked, had a portion of his personality that was caring and wasn’t 100 percent piece of shit cosa nostra 24/7… had good relationships with other families , monster earner and crew…. Pros and cons of getting rid of him are pretty obvious… Allie boy panicked cause he knew cutolo had way more charisma and better leadership qualities than him and would easily take over when Allie boy had to go do time on that gun charge… Colombo’s were never the same and I think that murder had a lot to do with it…
Same with mancuso… him shelving Saunders, porky and Grimaldi all cause he’s insecure about losing the top spot, cause he obviously knows Saunders must have been doing a good job and probably got jealous hearing good feed back or something about how he was doing a good job as acting boss… I just think taking it personal and letting his ego and feelings get in the way is an amateur move, he’s straight making choices out of anger/emotion…. That family would be much better if it still had Saunders in control of it…

How did Mancuso ever get the support/ pull to have the reigns on the family in the first place??? Especially when he was locked up???? I don’t know… to me both decisions were horrible ones… and I don’t think mancuso is boss material…

Well its important to consider that Mancuso is a killer and a feared guy. He has been tied to at least 3 murders and he’s likely been involved in more. After Joe Massino flipped the family was in desperate need of a leader. Mancuso just so happened to be at the right place at the right time and he had enough respect to take the big seat.

I will give you that, mancuso is a known killer… porky first act of violence that I know of is when they roughed up the ci who was calling porkys grandchild racial slurs because it’s half black… and I’ve heard varying things about Saunders … someone who grew up with him said he was a pussy who would run to his dad.. but you know how one sided those opinions can be,, cause other people have told me he’s tough with his hands… not sure about any murders but I know porky got 0… also don’t know about Vito Grimaldi, I’m sure he put in work back I. The day cause he’s an old timer… anyone have any more info on his son??? Who also got shelved with them??

Joe Grimaldi, Sounder Jr’s brother in law, got shelved too. I think Joe C a clean up guy in a murder that happened in the 90’s. Don’t remember the victims name at the moment.

[Pmac2]

wheres enzo stagno from? is he one of the bronx guys that spirito jr inducted when he annoited himself street boss