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outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:55 amThe BGF testified on behalf of the AB and so did the Crips. You're speaking of 55-60 years ago.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2006/06/29 ... herhood-2/
Or I could be talking about 2015... :roll:

Black Guerilla Family leader Hugo "Yogi" Pinell, a killer with ties to the 1960s black revolutionary movement, was among those released after 45 years in isolation.

Two Aryan Brotherhood associates, acting on the orders of gang leaders, killed the 71-year-old Pinell days after he was moved in 2015 to a Sacramento-area prison, prosecutors say.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.pressc ... 1382026001
elasticman wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:34 pm
outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:22 pm I want the mafia pageantry and alleged omnipotent dreaded mafia fear nonsense put to rest. Most all of it bullshit.
The point is no one is saying anything even remotely close to this and you keep bringing it up like some kind of weird emotional fixation.
Again, the reason he's doing it is he has some weird desire about minimizing anything LCN on the east coast; particularly New York. If you go through his posts, you see this happen fairly frequently. As I've said, my working theory is "outfit guy" is upset about the state of the Outfit, is envious that NY gets so much attention, and this is his way of evening out the playing field (if only in his head).

As juvenile and absurd as this sounds, it's not the first time we've seen this on the forums. Differing opinions are one thing. But when one isn't even starting out objectively, and not engaging in good faith, this is what you get.
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:01 pm
outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:55 amThe BGF testified on behalf of the AB and so did the Crips. You're speaking of 55-60 years ago.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2006/06/29 ... herhood-2/
Or I could be talking about 2015... :roll:

Black Guerilla Family leader Hugo "Yogi" Pinell, a killer with ties to the 1960s black revolutionary movement, was among those released after 45 years in isolation.

Two Aryan Brotherhood associates, acting on the orders of gang leaders, killed the 71-year-old Pinell days after he was moved in 2015 to a Sacramento-area prison, prosecutors say.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.pressc ... 1382026001
elasticman wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:34 pm
outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:22 pm I want the mafia pageantry and alleged omnipotent dreaded mafia fear nonsense put to rest. Most all of it bullshit.
The point is no one is saying anything even remotely close to this and you keep bringing it up like some kind of weird emotional fixation.
Again, the reason he's doing it is he has some weird desire about minimizing anything LCN on the east coast; particularly New York. If you go through his posts, you see this happen fairly frequently. As I've said, my working theory is "outfit guy" is upset about the state of the Outfit, is envious that NY gets so much attention, and this is his way of evening out the playing field (if only in his head).

As juvenile and absurd as this sounds, it's not the first time we've seen this on the forums. Differing opinions are one thing. But when one isn't even starting out objectively, and not engaging in good faith, this is what you get.
There is something about an Outfit Guy from the mid 90s era that if true either had trouble in prison and was extorted or was paying for protection. It waspostsfrom here a few years ago. Many thought it might be DiFronzo
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Did Sammy Gravanos’s daughter date a black dude, like father like daughter in the joint? Is that what is being implied? I’ve heard something recent about the younger Gottis, something about Whitey Bulger’s network with the FBI in NYC.

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Scarfo had Mexican Mafia with him when he was down in Texas. They were his "Pistoleros" and he "wishes he had 10 of these motherf#ckers"

Direct quotes from the book.
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Uncle Pete wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:27 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:31 pm
Uncle Pete wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:19 pm I’ve posted this before but people saying Gotti got his “ass beat” by Walter Johnson must have never been in a fight before in their lives. Yes, Gotti got into a fight and he may have gotten the worst of it. But as far as who won or who got their “ass whopped” we don’t really know.

Look at the photo of him after the fight, he had minimal damage and this is after getting into a prison fight with a grown man who was half his age. There’s no way in hell Gotti sat there and took a beating with his hands in his pockets and I’m sure he got a few licks in himself but there are no photos of the other guy after the fight. Gotti got into a fist fight in jail just as I’m sure he has been in dozens of times on the street. To try to spin it as anything more than that is disingenuous
There's a guard interviewed on YouTube that will clarify. He called the guy a ***** and "don't you know who I am?" typical Gotti. This occurred walking along a cell block and Gotti strutting and refusing to turn sideways to make room. Walter Johnson waited for him on the yard and whipped him. Gotti hired tough guys. When he wasn't patient (they had to locate him within the system or get to him in solitary), he stopped paying the protection money he was already coughing up to act like a godfather. Thereafter, he was again assaulted by a BGF member; Gotti then reinstated his payment plan. He was housed next to an AB gorilla that watched over him.
So I’m supposed to believe Gotti had enough balls to call a black guy half his age the N word with no one other Italians in the can watching his back...but when the guy fights him back and he gets a minor bump on his head, he is so scared he has to run to the AB for protection so he won’t get into a fight again? I just don’t buy it, despite what some red neck former guard says to get clicks on YouTube.
Spot on. In his younger years, Gotti was a well known tough guy who was really good with his hands. He was jumped by Walter Jonhson. He was still a stand up guy, gave no names, dusted himself off and moved on. And no doubt if Gotti knew it was coming the results may have been different even at that stage in Gotti’s life.
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outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:28 am
Wiseguy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:27 am My Goodness! It's extortion. No DC Black or Norteno gives a fuck about Little Nicky Scarfo. He was spared the humiliating extortion of Gotti (an ordered beating by Barry Mills followed by extortion to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $). Come out of your mafia nostalgic comas.
That's not what happened. You're just pulling shit out of your ass now. You don't get to make up your own facts.
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:37 amSo Gotti was beaten up by the AB's in Marion? I knew about the fight with the black guy but not sure that I knew about him being beat up by other white guys. Where can you find more info on Gotti's interactions with the brand?
No, he wasn't attacked by the AB. There had reportedly been a deal for Gotti to provide AB Leader Barry Mills a lawyer as part of them protecting him inside. For whatever reason, Gotti didn't make this happen and Mills withdrew the AB's protection. Keep in mind this was in 1994. But it wasn't until 1996 that Gotti was attacked by black inmate Walter Johnson in what, by all appearances, was a personal beef between the two. As I've pointed out before, Johnson was a nut who would later kill cop and probably didn't care who was protecting who.That happened after Gotti then hired the AB to kill Johnson but he was released before they could get to him.
I'll correct yet again the Mafia-aholics. 1. John Greschner - a federal commissioner recommended taking Gotti out. Mills and the remaining commission nixed in favor of extortion and more importantly, a message. The message was sent via a Black Gorilla Family soldier that beat the shit out of Gotti. The BGF, a California gang, did this as a favor to the AB. This second assault had Gotti request that the AB reinstate the protection. If you don't know, you just don't know. It's obvious you don't know. The mafia controlled zero rackets in any of the high security prisons such as Atlanta, Marion, Leavenworth. All if this is attested to in court testimony and further validated by law enforcement, Richard Valdemar, written and oral (documentary). Gotti isn't shit in the federal prison system. Neither are his soldiers as I pointed out to a new podcast person from Brooklyn. Of course he didn't deny that while in Leavenworth, the mafia needed the AB to carry out wet work for them. Gotti got the shit kicked out of him straight up by W. Johnson due to Gotti being a blowhard and a dick. Of course, he couldn't avenge himself or with his crew as talking the talk and walking the walk way different in prison than a sneak job on the street. Stop creating the mafia history that feeds your vision of their omnipotence that Never was.
Personally i think that the whole John Gotti extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood story is over exaggerated. One reason it's hard to believe he was assaulted again or extorted on a regular basis is because it would have made the news. Just like the Walter Johnson incident. The feds got a kick out of humiliating him. Probably Gotti was running his mouth and got what was coming to him. He was jumped by 28 year old Walter Johnson. But he was never extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood. Gotti was arrogant and narcissistic that personality type had difficulty getting along with others. You have to humble yourself in prison to a certain degree and respect the other prisoners. Some prisoners don't give a crap who you were on the outside. And who cares if he got beaten up anyway? Gotti was 55 in the summer of 1996. Gotti was old and sick by this point. People make a big deal about a young 28 year old guy beating the crap out of a 55 year old man. Watch this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU7QvKUfOHU This black guy was hanging out with John Gotti on a daily basis in Marion in the late 90s/early00s. He speaks very highly of Gotti. He makes it seem like Gotti had no real issues there. He says that Gotti avoided AB guys there. He says that Gotti didn't want to talk about Salvatore Gravano. It is interesting. This guy says that when Gravano arrest in Arizona was on the news, the prisoners called Gotti, but he didn't even want to watch.
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elasticman wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:33 am
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:41 am What about at the ADX Florence? There’s got to be a bunch of AB guys there, and there’s been numerous high profile wise guys there. Gravano, Casso, Rizzuto, Marcelo, etc. Is it safe to say they were “protecting” them as well? I know in Bad Blood it shows ABs beating Vito Rizzuto up in ADX, but that show takes a lot of liberties and some isn’t even based on any truth. What about Chapo? Do you think he needs to pay for any protection?
This may be naivete on my part but I would think inmates are too locked down in ADX Florence for much prison politics to be going on. Inmates aren't allowed any contact with each other whatsoever as I understand it.
Agreed. Prisoners in Colorado Supermax are on 23hr lockdown, their whole system is the protection. The guys doing time in Colorado Supermax don't have physical contact with inmates or anyone else.
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SantoClaus wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm Did Sammy Gravanos’s daughter date a black dude, like father like daughter in the joint? Is that what is being implied? I’ve heard something recent about the younger Gottis, something about Whitey Bulger’s network with the FBI in NYC.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/04 ... end-storm/

Like the BBC with Balotelli and Nicole Minetti and Forza Italia!
Bro wtf are you on? And yes Sammys daughter had a daughter with a black guy...that’s well known...she’s a smoke show too. But yea weird random post seem to be your thing
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Nick Prango wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:59 am
elasticman wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:33 am
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:41 am What about at the ADX Florence? There’s got to be a bunch of AB guys there, and there’s been numerous high profile wise guys there. Gravano, Casso, Rizzuto, Marcelo, etc. Is it safe to say they were “protecting” them as well? I know in Bad Blood it shows ABs beating Vito Rizzuto up in ADX, but that show takes a lot of liberties and some isn’t even based on any truth. What about Chapo? Do you think he needs to pay for any protection?
This may be naivete on my part but I would think inmates are too locked down in ADX Florence for much prison politics to be going on. Inmates aren't allowed any contact with each other whatsoever as I understand it.
Agreed. Prisoners in Colorado Supermax are on 23hr lockdown, their whole system is the protection. The guys doing time in Colorado Supermax don't have physical contact with inmates or anyone else.
Well, communications with the outside are constitutionally guaranteed. Sunshine, fresh air, food also are constitutionally guaranteed. In Supermax, they even move your cell every few weeks (?). For rec. time, I can show you a few videos of inmates together. I'm not sure if that is still the case. But the AB RICO trial and key charge against TD Bingam is a video of a fistfight with AB members against DC Blacks. Also, Eme and AB attempting to murder someone on the Supermax yard. I don't know the legality of human contact per case law and whether required.
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Nick Prango wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:53 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:28 am
Wiseguy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:27 am My Goodness! It's extortion. No DC Black or Norteno gives a fuck about Little Nicky Scarfo. He was spared the humiliating extortion of Gotti (an ordered beating by Barry Mills followed by extortion to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $). Come out of your mafia nostalgic comas.
That's not what happened. You're just pulling shit out of your ass now. You don't get to make up your own facts.
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:37 amSo Gotti was beaten up by the AB's in Marion? I knew about the fight with the black guy but not sure that I knew about him being beat up by other white guys. Where can you find more info on Gotti's interactions with the brand?
No, he wasn't attacked by the AB. There had reportedly been a deal for Gotti to provide AB Leader Barry Mills a lawyer as part of them protecting him inside. For whatever reason, Gotti didn't make this happen and Mills withdrew the AB's protection. Keep in mind this was in 1994. But it wasn't until 1996 that Gotti was attacked by black inmate Walter Johnson in what, by all appearances, was a personal beef between the two. As I've pointed out before, Johnson was a nut who would later kill cop and probably didn't care who was protecting who.That happened after Gotti then hired the AB to kill Johnson but he was released before they could get to him.
I'll correct yet again the Mafia-aholics. 1. John Greschner - a federal commissioner recommended taking Gotti out. Mills and the remaining commission nixed in favor of extortion and more importantly, a message. The message was sent via a Black Gorilla Family soldier that beat the shit out of Gotti. The BGF, a California gang, did this as a favor to the AB. This second assault had Gotti request that the AB reinstate the protection. If you don't know, you just don't know. It's obvious you don't know. The mafia controlled zero rackets in any of the high security prisons such as Atlanta, Marion, Leavenworth. All if this is attested to in court testimony and further validated by law enforcement, Richard Valdemar, written and oral (documentary). Gotti isn't shit in the federal prison system. Neither are his soldiers as I pointed out to a new podcast person from Brooklyn. Of course he didn't deny that while in Leavenworth, the mafia needed the AB to carry out wet work for them. Gotti got the shit kicked out of him straight up by W. Johnson due to Gotti being a blowhard and a dick. Of course, he couldn't avenge himself or with his crew as talking the talk and walking the walk way different in prison than a sneak job on the street. Stop creating the mafia history that feeds your vision of their omnipotence that Never was.
Personally i think that the whole John Gotti extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood story is over exaggerated. One reason it's hard to believe he was assaulted again or extorted on a regular basis is because it would have made the news. Just like the Walter Johnson incident. The feds got a kick out of humiliating him. Probably Gotti was running his mouth and got what was coming to him. He was jumped by 28 year old Walter Johnson. But he was never extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood. Gotti was arrogant and narcissistic that personality type had difficulty getting along with others. You have to humble yourself in prison to a certain degree and respect the other prisoners. Some prisoners don't give a crap who you were on the outside. And who cares if he got beaten up anyway? Gotti was 55 in the summer of 1996. Gotti was old and sick by this point. People make a big deal about a young 28 year old guy beating the crap out of a 55 year old man. Watch this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU7QvKUfOHU This black guy was hanging out with John Gotti on a daily basis in Marion in the late 90s/early00s. He speaks very highly of Gotti. He makes it seem like Gotti had no real issues there. He says that Gotti avoided AB guys there. He says that Gotti didn't want to talk about Salvatore Gravano. It is interesting. This guy says that when Gravano arrest in Arizona was on the news, the prisoners called Gotti, but he didn't even want to watch.
I'll review the video Nick but hard to fathom. Listen to other wiseguy podcasts about the loudmouth Gottis. Forget the videos, it contradicts sworn testimony from multiple AB defectors.Aside from the ones that testified there are others like John Greschner who talk to this; Gotti realized, even with his own soldiers, you are in the back of the lineup when it comes to prison gangs. He tried to farm things out to other white gangs to avoid the AB, but of course, no one would except. He reinstated his protection payments up till when he was moved to a medical facility. Nicky Scarfo did favors, through his people on the streets, for the AB. It's a classic prison protection scheme. Some guys keister drugs, others use influence on the outside (Hells Angels motorcycle shop owners with access to cyanide). More testimony that the Big 4 guys, left alone in these prisons, group together but fall under the flag (protection) of the AB via its cliques on the yard. It's all changing with the AB locked down. Sonny Barger outsourced a hit on the Outlaws in the Federal System to the AB. They are the Top of the Food Chain. PERIOD
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Atlantic City wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:59 pm Scarfo had Mexican Mafia with him when he was down in Texas. They were his "Pistoleros" and he "wishes he had 10 of these motherf#ckers"

Direct quotes from the book.
Texas prison system is violent for sure. The gangs are different than the mother ship Cali gangs but they all mimic - try to be - the Cali cliques. The Texas AB was formed based on the reputation of the Brand. Yes, he met some people; don't know if they were pisces (foreign-born) or local gang members. Regardless, in Marion, it's the big organized gangs of Cali with the DC Blacks added to the mix. (Yes, there are other gangs and skinheads but they all roll-up). To be sure, you don't have to clique up for protection. There are many guys that stand their ground and avoid politics (gangs) but more importantly, avoid rackets (heroin) and owing money. If you avoid those two, many guys group together and do their time without issue. If you want to be a big shot, you're coming under one of the big gangs like the AB or their affiliates; Eme and its Sureno affiliates, Northerners, etc.
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:01 pm
outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:55 amThe BGF testified on behalf of the AB and so did the Crips. You're speaking of 55-60 years ago.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2006/06/29 ... herhood-2/
Or I could be talking about 2015... :roll:

Black Guerilla Family leader Hugo "Yogi" Pinell, a killer with ties to the 1960s black revolutionary movement, was among those released after 45 years in isolation.

Two Aryan Brotherhood associates, acting on the orders of gang leaders, killed the 71-year-old Pinell days after he was moved in 2015 to a Sacramento-area prison, prosecutors say.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.pressc ... 1382026001
elasticman wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:34 pm
outfit guy wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:22 pm I want the mafia pageantry and alleged omnipotent dreaded mafia fear nonsense put to rest. Most all of it bullshit.
The point is no one is saying anything even remotely close to this and you keep bringing it up like some kind of weird emotional fixation.
Again, the reason he's doing it is he has some weird desire about minimizing anything LCN on the east coast; particularly New York. If you go through his posts, you see this happen fairly frequently. As I've said, my working theory is "outfit guy" is upset about the state of the Outfit, is envious that NY gets so much attention, and this is his way of evening out the playing field (if only in his head).

As juvenile and absurd as this sounds, it's not the first time we've seen this on the forums. Differing opinions are one thing. But when one isn't even starting out objectively, and not engaging in good faith, this is what you get.
I'm well aware of Yogi Pinell. Yogi came out of isolation thinking it the 1960s and screaming across the yard challenging the AB. That's why he's dead. The Crips and Bloods are young and don't know the history; of course they threw down once they saw him getting taken out. See, the detail you don't know. Or better yet, at about the same time, another AB prospect was stabbing to death a white gang leader; the admonition after stabbing him dozens of times was for the remaining gang to be off the yard when he returned. So, the cut/paste doesn't mean much. That's a beef that goes back decades when the Bloods/Crips were still babies. And Once in the Hat, you don't come out; that's what makes the AB the real deal. Walter Johnson was recently almost stabbed to death on a yard; not proven, but gossip was it ordered by the AB - green light still on. The federal prosecutor in the criminal case spend upwards to 5-7 years learning the AB; was warned by a detective he's In the Hat; he immediately retired and went into private practice. The government put a lead female prosecutor in as the AB doesn't murder women - with exception.

Oh, I'm not from Chicago. And while the Outfit way shrewder than East Coast OC. they just don't have the numbers; nor did they ever, to control that city with all the Latin gangs and southside black gangs predominant.
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AntComello wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:09 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm Did Sammy Gravanos’s daughter date a black dude, like father like daughter in the joint? Is that what is being implied? I’ve heard something recent about the younger Gottis, something about Whitey Bulger’s network with the FBI in NYC.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/04 ... end-storm/

Like the BBC with Balotelli and Nicole Minetti and Forza Italia!
Bro wtf are you on? And yes Sammys daughter had a daughter with a black guy...that’s well known...she’s a smoke show too. But yea weird random post seem to be your thing
You don’t find that strange that people mix skin or when white women are with black guys an issue for white skin, especially in a thread about prison lol

Smoke do you mean the boyfriend or her being attractive, Minetti is an actual Smoke Show, super sexy!

If it’s weird to you it’s because we obviously have different opinions, mine are heterosexual white man, I prefer seeing white children, not chocolate milk. Do you know when prison isn’t segregated by skin, never, says anyone who knows what their talking about.

And The Brand is the most fear in the Yard, and if it ever became White People vs Italians in America 🇺🇸 in the streets, guess what there would be no more Italians.

You seem to share the BLM opinion which seems to be the same as Communists, remember, this is just one Straight White Guy’s opinion, which you obviously don’t understand. Maybe your relatives are same as the one’s who hung Mussolini, as bunch or commies lol or the Yankees with Abe Lincoln, looked how it ended for him!
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outfit guy wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:37 am
Nick Prango wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:53 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:28 am
Wiseguy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 am
outfit guy wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:27 am My Goodness! It's extortion. No DC Black or Norteno gives a fuck about Little Nicky Scarfo. He was spared the humiliating extortion of Gotti (an ordered beating by Barry Mills followed by extortion to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $). Come out of your mafia nostalgic comas.
That's not what happened. You're just pulling shit out of your ass now. You don't get to make up your own facts.
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:37 amSo Gotti was beaten up by the AB's in Marion? I knew about the fight with the black guy but not sure that I knew about him being beat up by other white guys. Where can you find more info on Gotti's interactions with the brand?
No, he wasn't attacked by the AB. There had reportedly been a deal for Gotti to provide AB Leader Barry Mills a lawyer as part of them protecting him inside. For whatever reason, Gotti didn't make this happen and Mills withdrew the AB's protection. Keep in mind this was in 1994. But it wasn't until 1996 that Gotti was attacked by black inmate Walter Johnson in what, by all appearances, was a personal beef between the two. As I've pointed out before, Johnson was a nut who would later kill cop and probably didn't care who was protecting who.That happened after Gotti then hired the AB to kill Johnson but he was released before they could get to him.
I'll correct yet again the Mafia-aholics. 1. John Greschner - a federal commissioner recommended taking Gotti out. Mills and the remaining commission nixed in favor of extortion and more importantly, a message. The message was sent via a Black Gorilla Family soldier that beat the shit out of Gotti. The BGF, a California gang, did this as a favor to the AB. This second assault had Gotti request that the AB reinstate the protection. If you don't know, you just don't know. It's obvious you don't know. The mafia controlled zero rackets in any of the high security prisons such as Atlanta, Marion, Leavenworth. All if this is attested to in court testimony and further validated by law enforcement, Richard Valdemar, written and oral (documentary). Gotti isn't shit in the federal prison system. Neither are his soldiers as I pointed out to a new podcast person from Brooklyn. Of course he didn't deny that while in Leavenworth, the mafia needed the AB to carry out wet work for them. Gotti got the shit kicked out of him straight up by W. Johnson due to Gotti being a blowhard and a dick. Of course, he couldn't avenge himself or with his crew as talking the talk and walking the walk way different in prison than a sneak job on the street. Stop creating the mafia history that feeds your vision of their omnipotence that Never was.
Personally i think that the whole John Gotti extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood story is over exaggerated. One reason it's hard to believe he was assaulted again or extorted on a regular basis is because it would have made the news. Just like the Walter Johnson incident. The feds got a kick out of humiliating him. Probably Gotti was running his mouth and got what was coming to him. He was jumped by 28 year old Walter Johnson. But he was never extorted by the Aryan Brotherhood. Gotti was arrogant and narcissistic that personality type had difficulty getting along with others. You have to humble yourself in prison to a certain degree and respect the other prisoners. Some prisoners don't give a crap who you were on the outside. And who cares if he got beaten up anyway? Gotti was 55 in the summer of 1996. Gotti was old and sick by this point. People make a big deal about a young 28 year old guy beating the crap out of a 55 year old man. Watch this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU7QvKUfOHU This black guy was hanging out with John Gotti on a daily basis in Marion in the late 90s/early00s. He speaks very highly of Gotti. He makes it seem like Gotti had no real issues there. He says that Gotti avoided AB guys there. He says that Gotti didn't want to talk about Salvatore Gravano. It is interesting. This guy says that when Gravano arrest in Arizona was on the news, the prisoners called Gotti, but he didn't even want to watch.
I'll review the video Nick but hard to fathom. Listen to other wiseguy podcasts about the loudmouth Gottis. Forget the videos, it contradicts sworn testimony from multiple AB defectors.Aside from the ones that testified there are others like John Greschner who talk to this; Gotti realized, even with his own soldiers, you are in the back of the lineup when it comes to prison gangs. He tried to farm things out to other white gangs to avoid the AB, but of course, no one would except. He reinstated his protection payments up till when he was moved to a medical facility. Nicky Scarfo did favors, through his people on the streets, for the AB. It's a classic prison protection scheme. Some guys keister drugs, others use influence on the outside (Hells Angels motorcycle shop owners with access to cyanide). More testimony that the Big 4 guys, left alone in these prisons, group together but fall under the flag (protection) of the AB via its cliques on the yard. It's all changing with the AB locked down. Sonny Barger outsourced a hit on the Outlaws in the Federal System to the AB. They are the Top of the Food Chain. PERIOD
Personally i think that Italian mobsters don't pay protection in federal prison. Some examples why i think that. This guy Icwear Vezzo did time in FCI Eclton, Ohio with LCN guys. He says that Italians were respected there. He speaks very highly of Italian mobsters. In this video he speaks about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txWNOAu ... l=AlProfit

This guy Gilli Brando did time in FCI Beaumont with Luchesse crime family boss Vic Amuso. He says that Boston white boys mostly Irish and Italian prison gang were running the yard there. This guy Gilli Brando speaks very highly of Vic Amuso in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Den4P46QTaU

He was locked up in Beamont Texas with him. This guy John Kiriakou has an interesting anecdote about Italian gangsters influence in Loretto federal prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-kVpPDWntE

Shaun Attwood has an interesting anecdote about a supposedly connected guy that was in his pod during his sentence. This would have been back in the early - mid 00's. He served time in AZ, IIRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lc2KIW7-_4
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Re: Nicky Scarfo stabbing another inmate

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SantoClaus wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:06 am
AntComello wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:09 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:12 pm Did Sammy Gravanos’s daughter date a black dude, like father like daughter in the joint? Is that what is being implied? I’ve heard something recent about the younger Gottis, something about Whitey Bulger’s network with the FBI in NYC.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/04 ... end-storm/

Like the BBC with Balotelli and Nicole Minetti and Forza Italia!
Bro wtf are you on? And yes Sammys daughter had a daughter with a black guy...that’s well known...she’s a smoke show too. But yea weird random post seem to be your thing
You don’t find that strange that people mix skin or when white women are with black guys an issue for white skin, especially in a thread about prison lol

Smoke do you mean the boyfriend or her being attractive, Minetti is an actual Smoke Show, super sexy!

If it’s weird to you it’s because we obviously have different opinions, mine are heterosexual white man, I prefer seeing white children, not chocolate milk. Do you know when prison isn’t segregated by skin, never, says anyone who knows what their talking about.

And The Brand is the most fear in the Yard, and if it ever became White People vs Italians in America 🇺🇸 in the streets, guess what there would be no more Italians.

You seem to share the BLM opinion which seems to be the same as Communists, remember, this is just one Straight White Guy’s opinion, which you obviously don’t understand. Maybe your relatives are same as the one’s who hung Mussolini, as bunch or commies lol or the Yankees with Abe Lincoln, looked how it ended for him!
Way off bro...I think BLM is a fuckin joke and I could care less what color skin you have. If a white guy like me wants to marry or have kids with a black or brown woman I have no problem with it. In fact I think some of the most beautiful women in the world are of darker skin tone. It’s 2021 get the fuck over it.
That’s the guy, Adriana. My Uncle Tony. The guy I’m going to hell for.
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