John Pennisi Sighting / Sit Down News

[B.]

You're right about that.

It doesn't mean he was a CI when they accused him of being one, but his logic for explaining the "proof" that he wasn't one doesn't match up with LE practices. If the government revealed the name of every CI who contributed info to a given case, they would have outed countless made members spanning decades.

Unless Pennisi was a CW in that case, discovery shouldn't reveal anything one way or the other about his identity as a CI. Again, it doesn't mean he was a CI at that time, but it doesn't prove he wasn't one either. If the accused members in that case felt discovery let him off the hook, it was their own intuition nothing concrete.

[Tonyd621]

The more i listen to Pennisi the more my view of him changes and not positively.

Care to elaborate as to why?

1) he spends all his time talking about other people behind their "backs." I mean we all can be hypocritical, but this is one of his steadfast beliefs about "the life" and one of the reasons he indirectly alludes to as to why the mob was not what it once was and a contributing factor of him rolling... i mean i get it he cant talk about anything he did because he didnt do nothin. But i mean he gets bothered by this meschino shit. Like how his compadre gets free rim locks on his car or his UB gets a free oil change eventhough he makes 30k/month. Like who gives a fuck. Why does that bother you meaning him? Maybr because he was fucking broke and didnt have two nickels to rub together. He always says he wishes success to his former friends, really hes jealous imo now. He always complains how certain guys in the life get abused. Like Louie the Jet or Butch by Patty. Like hes some sort of victims advocate for guys in the mob being picked on. Anytime any guy was subject to verbal abuse it seems Pennisi played the concerned citizens card. And really who can remember conversations like that verbatim?
I mean i liked the guy i did. He flipped without being charged so he was an outlier so i wanted to hear what he had say and now have and...

[chubby]

When it comes to asking him questions, he’s strange.. I asked him a rather personal one, having to do with another lucchese guy he claimed he liked.. I used a “nickname” of the person while asking the question, and when he responded he instantly said “so I take it you know “nickname” personally, since only people who are close to him call him that, and then he got almost uncomfortable and danced around the question and then subtly in a somewhat nice way basically told me he didn’t have time or didn’t want to answer my questions.... he said like “I can’t really go into it right now, you know I’m actually trying to enjoy the weekend evening with my family”.. which I took as him telling me that he basically didn’t want to answer my questions further.... haha very strange... maybe he got shook and thought I really was close to the person I asked him about and he didn’t want anything to do with it... who knows... but I stopped following him after that...
don’t put yourself out there like you’re all nice and open to interacting and answering all these questions, then when someone asks you something and he felt that I had some real knowledge on things or the topic, he basically told me to stop messaging him in some passive aggressive way....
I don’t really know what I think of him now, at first I obviously didn’t love the guy cause I can’t stand anyone who knowingly gets involved in something knowing the consequences and then rats their way out and refuses the take blame.. but I didn’t mind hearing some more modern day stories about lcn.... but the more I watch the more I feel like he puts on the nice guy act... and really isn’t.. I mean the episode with his daughter on explains it all... she said he’s been insanely short fused and angry his whole life, like that’s who she knew him as.. and I think that’s more true of his character..

[Dave65827]

I personally found him bringing up that guy making fun of Vic Amusos wife fucking stupid. Even today that’s could get a guy hurt or clipped. There was literally no reason to get that out just to create trouble. That’s kind of where my opinion changed just talking shit over the internet with the protection of insanely powerful laws

[Angelo Santino]

Contacted Tom (the co-host) about Paul Tanso and he "believes" Tanso was a formal member by Philly. Didn't sound definitive to me but that's the answer he gave.

[SolarSolano]

Did Pennisi reference he served time with Tino Lombardi the cousin of Cookie D'Urso who was later killed? I'm surprised he never references that more often - Cookie was one of the more damaging episodes for the west side.

[gaspipe]

Pennisi’s insight is valuable because he is, for all intents and purposes, a normal guy with a relatively anchored moral compass. Despite his past, he seems like a good guy. So what he says can be taken with value. He is somewhat awkward, and I suspect naturally an introvert. His stock answer to a lot of things is a simple ‘correct.’

Gravano on the other hand is extremely mentally unhinged with a narcissistic complex that allows himself to anchor his moral compass wherever he sees fit and justifiable. Which means his insight, however lofty, cannot be taken without prejudice. Although it does of course give you first hand insight into the mind of a sociopathic criminal.

Gravano isn’t too far from Casso in his psychology, the only difference between the two is Casso doesn’t have a filter, like a child. Gravano has the sociopath’s mind but with a calculating filter. Almost everything Gravano says, he puts himself as the centre of the universe and all other matter revolves around him. To the nth degree. You certainly wouldn’t leave a spare key with him would you.

Care to go more into Casso's lack of a filter?

[Nick Prango]

Pennisi’s insight is valuable because he is, for all intents and purposes, a normal guy with a relatively anchored moral compass. Despite his past, he seems like a good guy. So what he says can be taken with value. He is somewhat awkward, and I suspect naturally an introvert. His stock answer to a lot of things is a simple ‘correct.’

Gravano on the other hand is extremely mentally unhinged with a narcissistic complex that allows himself to anchor his moral compass wherever he sees fit and justifiable. Which means his insight, however lofty, cannot be taken without prejudice. Although it does of course give you first hand insight into the mind of a sociopathic criminal.

Gravano isn’t too far from Casso in his psychology, the only difference between the two is Casso doesn’t have a filter, like a child. Gravano has the sociopath’s mind but with a calculating filter. Almost everything Gravano says, he puts himself as the centre of the universe and all other matter revolves around him. To the nth degree. You certainly wouldn’t leave a spare key with him would you.

I totally agree with you. Gravano is definitely a narcissistic sociopath. Gravano is a fucking scumbag. He uses Gotti badmouthing him as an excuse to justify himself cooperating for all the people out there. Gravano is lucky. All of the people he ratted against are gone essentially. He's totally useless at this point, and killing him likely just brings unnecessary heat. But I'm sure he's looking over his shoulder a bit for some young punk who wants to improve his brand, even if he's not a high priority for any of the 5 families.

[Stroccos]

You're right about that.

It doesn't mean he was a CI when they accused him of being one, but his logic for explaining the "proof" that he wasn't one doesn't match up with LE practices. If the government revealed the name of every CI who contributed info to a given case, they would have outed countless made members spanning decades.

Unless Pennisi was a CW in that case, discovery shouldn't reveal anything one way or the other about his identity as a CI. Again, it doesn't mean he was a CI at that time, but it doesn't prove he wasn't one either. If the accused members in that case felt discovery let him off the hook, it was their own intuition nothing concrete.

the guy accusing him should of been killed ?
i just watched his vlad interview , i took from it , he was accused of being wired up, that information would of been disclosed

[mafiastudent]

You're right about that.

It doesn't mean he was a CI when they accused him of being one, but his logic for explaining the "proof" that he wasn't one doesn't match up with LE practices. If the government revealed the name of every CI who contributed info to a given case, they would have outed countless made members spanning decades.

Unless Pennisi was a CW in that case, discovery shouldn't reveal anything one way or the other about his identity as a CI. Again, it doesn't mean he was a CI at that time, but it doesn't prove he wasn't one either. If the accused members in that case felt discovery let him off the hook, it was their own intuition nothing concrete.

the guy accusing him should of been killed ?
i just watched his vlad interview , i took from it , he was accused of being wired up, that information would of been disclosed

Are you saying the info would have been disclosed or that that's what he said on Vlad?

[Stroccos]

You're right about that.

It doesn't mean he was a CI when they accused him of being one, but his logic for explaining the "proof" that he wasn't one doesn't match up with LE practices. If the government revealed the name of every CI who contributed info to a given case, they would have outed countless made members spanning decades.

Unless Pennisi was a CW in that case, discovery shouldn't reveal anything one way or the other about his identity as a CI. Again, it doesn't mean he was a CI at that time, but it doesn't prove he wasn't one either. If the accused members in that case felt discovery let him off the hook, it was their own intuition nothing concrete.

the guy accusing him should of been killed ?
i just watched his vlad interview , i took from it , he was accused of being wired up, that information would of been disclosed

Are you saying the info would have been disclosed or that that's what he said on Vlad?

i never listened to JP show but his story on the vlad show sounds plausible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCEw5q4LECA he said a false wire was put on him, i have no idea if he was a ci or not before he went in
although if he was wearing a wire and that was going to be used to indict someone they would have to disclose that information to the defense if the case went to trial, plus once the feds give the discovery material the defendents can figure out who it is pretty easily if they dont know already , i also belive the feds have to send a letter to anyone they pick up on a fbi bug once the case is closed,

[JohnnyS]

Just started listening to the new one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYZcejlLHy8

[mafiastudent]

You're right about that.

It doesn't mean he was a CI when they accused him of being one, but his logic for explaining the "proof" that he wasn't one doesn't match up with LE practices. If the government revealed the name of every CI who contributed info to a given case, they would have outed countless made members spanning decades.

Unless Pennisi was a CW in that case, discovery shouldn't reveal anything one way or the other about his identity as a CI. Again, it doesn't mean he was a CI at that time, but it doesn't prove he wasn't one either. If the accused members in that case felt discovery let him off the hook, it was their own intuition nothing concrete.

the guy accusing him should of been killed ?
i just watched his vlad interview , i took from it , he was accused of being wired up, that information would of been disclosed

Are you saying the info would have been disclosed or that that's what he said on Vlad?

i never listened to JP show but his story on the vlad show sounds plausible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCEw5q4LECA he said a false wire was put on him, i have no idea if he was a ci or not before he went in
although if he was wearing a wire and that was going to be used to indict someone they would have to disclose that information to the defense if the case went to trial, plus once the feds give the discovery material the defendents can figure out who it is pretty easily if they dont know already , i also belive the feds have to send a letter to anyone they pick up on a fbi bug once the case is closed,

It's my understanding that all CIs are listed as such when defense is given discovery and that the actual names aren't revealed until right before trial so that defense can prepare. So, that means Pennisi's name wouldn't have been in any discovery until right before he testified in Castelle's May 2019 trial. Which makes sense because if you look at the court documents the lawyers were arguing during the trial which questions could and couldn't be asked of Pennisi. If his name was revealed earlier, it probably would have been something argued during pretrial proceedings.

Also discovery isn't given in one lump information dump. In Truscello's case (which is what Pennisi references) it was a rolling discovery. The first discovery was given to defense in June which was only information gathered from Londonio/Caldwell's arrest and didn't relate to any investigations regarding anyone else in that indictment (this is what I'm gathering from Pacer). At that time, there was a protective order put on any and all discovery. Govt told defense that they wouldn't have any additional discovery until July or later. But that's all that's available on Pacer that I could find.

I've also researched some other places and it's specifically stated that in the case of CI - those don't have to be revealed to defense like regular witnesses would be. So it fits with what I stated above. His name would not have been listed in that discovery as he states. They would not have any way of knowing who the "rats" were on that case.

Plus, there's the question of him making recordings when he's clearly stated numerous times that his only contact after he left was telling any of his former associates that he was done and had nothing else to say. So, the story he's telling isn't consistent with the documents that currently available.

[Amershire_Ed]

Pennisi’s stories on their most recent show about acclimating to regular life after 18 years in prison were some of the best and most illuminating he’s told in my opinion. He talked about snapping on some guys for cutting the line in CVS—like 2 days out of prison—only to realize they were just kids. Teenagers. He said he walked home embarrassed thinking there was no way he’d stay out of trouble. He said it was difficult riding the subway and having all sorts of people bump into him and not say “excuse me”, which does not happen in prison. It would be taken as a sign of great disrespect. I just found it interesting that he came home and stayed away from Cosa Nostra with the intention of being a civilian, and *still* thought he was going to end up back in jail.

[CabriniGreen]

Pennisi’s stories on their most recent show about acclimating to regular life after 18 years in prison were some of the best and most illuminating he’s told in my opinion. He talked about snapping on some guys for cutting the line in CVS—like 2 days out of prison—only to realize they were just kids. Teenagers. He said he walked home embarrassed thinking there was no way he’d stay out of trouble. He said it was difficult riding the subway and having all sorts of people bump into him and not say “excuse me”, which does not happen in prison. It would be taken as a sign of great disrespect. I just found it interesting that he came home and stayed away from Cosa Nostra with the intention of being a civilian, and *still* thought he was going to end up back in jail.

I think it explains his lack of activity in the street. I think he was appreciative of his button, and welcomed the recognition that came along with that after having done so much time. In some respects, it can be seen as a validation of all that lost time. He got his stripes. But I think on a subconscious level, he had made up his mind, he was NOT going back to prison. He wasn't going to take any chances he deemed unnecessary, even sportsbooks.

Hes the Italian Cutty, lol