Montreal Mafia status - Post Rizzuto Era

[OcSleeper]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

[Frank]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

Why was Callocchia killed?

[OcSleeper]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

Why was Callocchia killed?

I can't remember I didn't write it down only who killed who
Was under this thread. Don't even remember if it did explain it.
Maybe Calabrinigreen remembers so you don't have to go searching.

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6851

[OcSleeper]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

Why was Callocchia killed?

I can't remember I didn't write it down only who killed who
Was under this thread. Don't even remember if it did explain it.
Maybe Calabrinigreen remembers so you don't have to go searching.

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6851

Correction it was Stefano Sollecito who ordered it, not Rocco Sollecito.

[Frank]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

Why was Callocchia killed?

I can't remember I didn't write it down only who killed who
Was under this thread. Don't even remember if it did explain it.
Maybe Calabrinigreen remembers so you don't have to go searching.

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6851

Yes I know there is so much going on in Canada its hard to keep up on it.

[CabriniGreen]

Because Callocchia was already killed, maybe Di Maulo's murder has already been avenged -- and regardless of whether it has or hasn't been avenged, who avenged it or will do so?

Scoppa also said Rocco Sollecito ordered Callocchio's murder and Sal Scoppa carried it out.

Why was Callocchia killed?

From the Scoppa book..... keep in mind, this is Scoppas version of events, but the authors do include police INTELLIGENCE somewhat corroborates it...


murder in 2013, he was "literally machine-gunned in front of his home", in the Rivière-des-Prairies sector, on September 18, 2015, reports La Presse. This young man of 24, "rising star" of the mafia, who had already served a prison sentence for his role in a drug trafficking network linked to Giuseppe De Vito, had changed sides to join that of Sollecito . Were Valiquette, Callocchia (Tony Coloc) and Campellone the victims of reprisals from a rival clan? That's not what Andrew Scoppa thinks. “The first time they tried it in 2013, Tony Roommate was supposed to go meet guys related to the Rizzutos at a diner when he was shot in the parking lot. But he got away with it. So on December 1, 2014, Roommate was with Pizzi in another restaurant. Pizzi was supposed to get shot too, but his urge to go to the bathroom saved his life. Look at the police affidavits from the Magot Inquiry, it is written. The police questioned him. Some people in the Mafia suspected him of setting up Roommate that day. But no. How do I know? This order came from Steve Sauce and it was carried out by my brother and a black man. I knew that, as luck would have it, the surveillance cameras in the restaurant weren't working, ”Andrew said with a smirk, a point that police sources confirmed to us. And what about Campellone, to whom Scoppa attributes violent crimes for which this young man has never been arrested or charged? “Roger Valiquette got shot by Campellone. It was a kid who worked with my brother. Valiquette was.....

[CabriniGreen]

This was what I was saying before. Hes a bullshitter, yes. But the authors were kinda careful to provide SOME corroboration of what he says. Often times it is backed up by police reports or something. But he lies a ton because hes trying to control the situation...

[OcSleeper]

I dont take what Scoppa say as 100% truth. I just brought it up since Antimafia was using what Scoppa said in his post asking who killed Callocchia

[B.]

A question....

Do you really believe Nick and Vito would take orders FROM LoPresti? Like really? You think they were under Sciascia, who gave THEM orders THROUGH LoPresti? Really? I know LoPresti and Sciascia had lots on Mafia row, but I always took that as their CLOSENESS to the Rizzuto, Dejardins had a lot too, right?

There seems to be a misunderstanding about some of these roles and relationships. Someone who is a capodecina, official or acting, isn't necessarily "giving orders" or trying to dominate the people in the decina. They are a representative and serve as an official channel for information and to keep tabs on what is going on.

I think pop culture has influenced the way people view these roles and while sometimes that view is accurate, it is not the whole picture of what goes on.

Google translation

Personally, I do not believe that Alfonso Gagliano, a former minister of the Canadian government, was a member in good standing of the Cosa Nostra, affiliated with the Bonanno family. It's frankly surreal! While it has been shown that Gagliano had frequent contact with members of the mafia. But that doesn't make him a member in good standing. Because of my previous service with the RCMP, I will not elaborate further.

Finally, if really Gagliano had been a member in good standing of the mafia, knowing the mafia for his obsession with secrecy and protection of the organization, he would have been immediately murdered after his resignation as minister, because he would have become a real threat to the mafia, if ever Gagliano had decided to speak...

I appreciate your view, but remember the Sicilian mafia has a long history of formally inducting politicians of equal weight to Gagliano. He was part of a faction in Montreal with close ties to the Sicilian mafia and himself may have his own ties to the mafia in Siculiana. The Gaglianos of New Orleans were from Siculiana as well, so it is a name that produces mafiosi from Siculiana.

In the US, one of the San Jose members informants revealed that an otherwise "legitimate" senator in Wyoming was a made member (probably in the Pueblo family). See more here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5942

Curious, what do you mean by "good standing"? Remember that the mafia does not recruit based only on traditional "organized crime" activity, but because of any value or asset a potential member can bring the organization. The Sicilians historically inducted politicians as members because of the incredible resource it provides them.

Not sure how it can be stated with any confidence that Gagliano should have been murdered because of his political status.

Personally I find Frank Lino's account compelling, as he was wholly ignorant of Montreal and had no incentive to invent a random Montreal politician with mafia membership. And it turns out, there is someone who matches his description and comes from a background that lends itself to his account.

[Laurentian]

We will never agree on this topic.



Btw, I used Google translation to translate my text from French to English. In the French and original version I use « membre en règle » and Google used « good standing », which of course is not the appropriate term for « made member »

[B.]

Makes sense, re: "good standing" translation.

It's fine that we don't agree, as I respect your expertise and opinions on Montreal.

However, I don't understand the assumption that Gagliano would be killed when he stepped down from politics if he is a made member -- his role in politics would have increased his stature with the mafiosi. The mafia does not see politicians the same way they view law enforcement officers.

I would be willing to wager that Alfonso Gagliano was not the first made member in politics known to Montreal mafiosi from Cattolica Eraclea and Siculiana. There was a mayor in Siculiana alleged to be a member of the local cosca, for example.

[CabriniGreen]

Great post anti!

Can you explain the Livre part? Or is there an article on that? I’m not sure what that is.

I think it's the Platinum book, that's probably what they call it up there....

Platinum Sports Book=digital. (Vito Rizzuto sat atop the pyramid, but the Hells Angels, Figliomenis in the GTA, and numerous other actors were also very important players.)

Livre=hard copy. (The handwritten book of loansharking debts owed, which also contains personal and financial details about the individuals who owe money--any mafioso with the book could go after the bettors for regular payments, the vig, etc.)

I think its the same as Montreal. In Montreal the " Book" covered everything from sportsbooks to card games, and who owed what....

[Laurentian]

Pas de libération conditionnelle pour l’un des condamnés

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... damnes.php

[Laurentian]

L’argent circulait bien dans le clan Desjardins

Son entreprise transigeait quand le caïd était en prison

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/ ... desjardins

[Laurentian]

Street gang member who acted as getaway driver in St-Léonard Mob hit denied parole

Edrick Antoine was one of five men who pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill Gaetan Gosselin, a longtime friend of gangster Raynald Desjardins.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/street ... ied-parole