Is some more traditional families there are baptisms when they reach 13-15 of age, but the baptism is for those already born in it. No other ritual no being made of any sorts. There are other rituals, the doti, but they are given to people in recognition of career advancement, as rankings.
In Calabria ndrangheta women don’t marry non -Italians. So the problem is not there, a non Italian cannot enter the ndrangheta in Calabria or Italy because there is no such a thing like being “made” and foreigners are not admitted. There are ndranghetisti who marry foreign women but that is different.
Abroad, like Canada or Australi things are bound to be different of course but the general rule appears to be that if you are non Italian and you marry a ndrangheta woman you will be pretty much always one step below the real ndrangheta in your family (and then there is trust etc)
calabrianwatch wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:26 pm
Is some more traditional families there are baptisms when they reach 13-15 of age, but the baptism is for those already born in it. No other ritual no being made of any sorts. There are other rituals, the doti, but they are given to people in recognition of career advancement, as rankings.
In Calabria ndrangheta women don’t marry non -Italians. So the problem is not there, a non Italian cannot enter the ndrangheta in Calabria or Italy because there is no such a thing like being “made” and foreigners are not admitted. There are ndranghetisti who marry foreign women but that is different.
Abroad, like Canada or Australi things are bound to be different of course but the general rule appears to be that if you are non Italian and you marry a ndrangheta woman you will be pretty much always one step below the real ndrangheta in your family (and then there is trust etc)
I have a question about La Santa and santisti. I know that they had Societa Maggiore and Minore. And what is it La Santa and how it’s worked. Is santisti a rank for politicians, who can’t be a members?
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:05 am
I have a question about La Santa and santisti. I know that they had Societa Maggiore and Minore. And what is it La Santa and how it’s worked. Is santisti a rank for politicians, who can’t be a members?
The Santa is the first ranking to access the Società Maggiore. But it is also a parallel mini-organisation with the same name that brings together those who have the possibilities to talk to politicians, or have a role like professionals that makes it easier to 'talk to power'. Those with the santa ranking are those that eventually might be admitted /called in the Santa organisation basically. It's not about membership of politicians, it's about having more than one role.
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:05 am
I have a question about La Santa and santisti. I know that they had Societa Maggiore and Minore. And what is it La Santa and how it’s worked. Is santisti a rank for politicians, who can’t be a members?
The Santa was originally created to concentrate political and business contacts within a certain group of individuals, as well as exclude certain rivals from access to said contacts. It was kind of a rebuke to the power of Vincenzo Macri. He was the top don, yet excluded from the Santa.
Then there are too many Santisti, it becomes too standard, so they keep creating new Doti.
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:05 am
I have a question about La Santa and santisti. I know that they had Societa Maggiore and Minore. And what is it La Santa and how it’s worked. Is santisti a rank for politicians, who can’t be a members?
If he were Ndrangheta, Frank Costello would be a textbook Santisti.
Do you know any specifics related to the rank of Stella?
Reason being I was around a group of people that got involved in the Fashion scene in Toronto via the T.I.F.F (Toronto International Film Festival) 2014. Prior to that I heard of Stella and the Archangel Michael, at the time I never knew the potential Ndrangheta significance. Woodbridge seems to be the Fashion Capital of Canada, similar the way Milan is for the world.
That Stella may have something to do related to Gianni Maria Versace, was he Ndrangheta? Also, any significance to the Medusa, both Versace and the Flag of Sicily openly display it? Any information would be appreciated, thanks!
So many questions..wait....so the Medusa no meaning that I know of.
The Stella is a new dote, which has been confirmed in some clans/locale since 2015 onward mostly used in the Ionian side clans..it's an upper dote, above the Santa. The Santa also has a symbolism with a star on it. It really depends how you heard about it anyway...The Archangel Michael is of course one of the 'ndrangheta 'protectors'. Woodbridge is very significant for the Ndrangheta in Ontario, so it wouldn't surprise me...
As for Versace, the rumour has always been that he was in debt with some mafia clans - the De Stefano specifically - not that he was involved - also, at his time we didn't know of any Stella yet....
calabrianwatch wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:57 am
As for Versace, the rumour has always been that he was in debt with some mafia clans - the De Stefano specifically - not that he was involved - also, at his time we didn't know of any Stella yet....
That was an interesting story, asking too many questions about Versace’s murder could get one in trouble! I don’t know what to take from the dead pigeon tho.
Any idea on why the Archangel Michael was selected or the origin of why/how he and the Ndrangheta came to be?
It was all around the same time start of April 2014 , I thought Stella was something to do with the ‘Madonna’ ie. Mother of Jesus. Then later on in the same year closer to September I thought it was something to do with Madonna the singer, as well as Stella McCartney, she is a fashionista, Paul McCartney’s daughter I believe.
Also, there was a ‘Hollywood North” aspect being tied to the T.I.F.F, so I also at the time was wondering if Stella, had something to do there, being ‘Star’, like a Star in Hollywood lol.
I don’t know either’s relation to Versace or whatever Fashion scene exist in Toronto, tho. At the time, it would of been easy to assume that there is a lot of money in developing a Fashion district of sorts. I would just expect that Woodbridge would be the power center for something like that IMO.
SantoClaus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:22 am
Very cool information, thanks!
Any idea on why the Archangel Michael was selected or the origin of why/how he and the Ndrangheta came to be?
It was all around the same time start of April 2014 , I thought Stella was something to do with the ‘Madonna’ ie. Mother of Jesus. Then later on in the same year closer to September I thought it was something to do with Madonna the singer, as well as Stella McCartney, she is a fashionista, Paul McCartney’s daughter I believe.
Also, there was a ‘Hollywood North” aspect being tied to the T.I.F.F, so I also at the time was wondering if Stella, had something to do there, being ‘Star’, like a Star in Hollywood lol.
I don’t know either’s relation to Versace or whatever Fashion scene exist in Toronto, tho. At the time, it would of been easy to assume that there is a lot of money in developing a Fashion district of sorts. I would just expect that Woodbridge would be the power center for something like that IMO.
The Stella thing sounds quite broad, so really wouldn't know whether any relation at all!!
As for Archangel Michael he is only the protector of the lower ranking of the ndrangheta, not at the Santa onward apparently. It has to do with the fact that he is the protector of justice (and of the police) and the idea that the ndrangheta itself brings justice and an alternative 'police' system apparently
Anna Sergi tweeted a link to an Italian-language article a couple of hours ago. Here’s an excerpt that touches on being born into the ‘ndrangheta:
Se sei Emanuele Mancuso, nipote del “capo indiscusso” Luigi Mancuso e figlio del boss Pantaleone Mancuso detto “l’Ingegnere”, fai parte della ‘ndrangheta per discendenza. È stato lui stesso a confermare, nel corso del maxi processo Rinascita Scott, che se si fa parte di un’importante famiglia di ‘ndrangheta allora non è necessario nessun rito di affiliazione. “Ha mai sentito parlare di doti di ‘ndrangheta?” ha chiesto il pm Annamaria Frustaci. “Qualche volta, ma non sono mai stato battezzato. Con mio zio Luigi – spiega Emanuele Mancuso – non abbiamo mai parlato di queste cose, neanche con i miei parenti, al massimo si parlava in generale della Madonna di Polsi”.
SantoClaus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:22 am
Very cool information, thanks!
Any idea on why the Archangel Michael was selected or the origin of why/how he and the Ndrangheta came to be?
It was all around the same time start of April 2014 , I thought Stella was something to do with the ‘Madonna’ ie. Mother of Jesus. Then later on in the same year closer to September I thought it was something to do with Madonna the singer, as well as Stella McCartney, she is a fashionista, Paul McCartney’s daughter I believe.
Also, there was a ‘Hollywood North” aspect being tied to the T.I.F.F, so I also at the time was wondering if Stella, had something to do there, being ‘Star’, like a Star in Hollywood lol.
I don’t know either’s relation to Versace or whatever Fashion scene exist in Toronto, tho. At the time, it would of been easy to assume that there is a lot of money in developing a Fashion district of sorts. I would just expect that Woodbridge would be the power center for something like that IMO.
The Stella thing sounds quite broad, so really wouldn't know whether any relation at all!!
As for Archangel Michael he is only the protector of the lower ranking of the ndrangheta, not at the Santa onward apparently. It has to do with the fact that he is the protector of justice (and of the police) and the idea that the ndrangheta itself brings justice and an alternative 'police' system apparently
Thank you for the information, I have been wondering about the Archangel Michael for a while now.
Fair enough, I even think Laday Gaga and Tony Bennett were going to be involved, I believe she might be part Calabrese, and Tony Bennet is Calabrese. His real name is Anthony Benedetto.
clan Gullace from Catanzaro, active with brokers in Germany/Holland/Spain and cocaine from Colombia and other areas of Latin America into ports of Livorno, Genova, Antwerp, Rotterdam. a lot of cocaine in the years.......
