The most interesting of small families?

[Rocco]

I think the DeCavs are pretty interesting to be small tight nit .centered in old Sicilian section within Elizbeth. Mostly all from Ribera. Then to exist all these years along side the 5 families in their backyard. Also the Tampa and New Orleans families. How these Sicilians carved out rackets in the deep south. Must have been like My Cousin Vinny when they showed up in town lol

[Costigan]

As several others have mentioned, I've always had an interest in the mob in California, mostly L.A. It's an interest I developed after reading Jimmy Fratianno's book.

[PolackTony]

I think the DeCavs are pretty interesting to be small tight nit .centered in old Sicilian section within Elizbeth. Mostly all from Ribera. Then to exist all these years along side the 5 families in their backyard. Also the Tampa and New Orleans families. How these Sicilians carved out rackets in the deep south. Must have been like My Cousin Vinny when they showed up in town lol

Also interesting about Tampa is the way it was embedded in the local social fabric. Whereas in other cities important LCN associates were Jewish, Irish, Greek, etc in Tampa they had Cubans and Spanish, including apparently in advisory roles to the admin.

[aleksandrored]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

[UpstateDapper]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

Yes, there are a few books written on Rochester. I would start with ‘The Hammer Conspiracies’ by Frank Aloi or ‘Rochester Mob Wars’ by Blair Kenny. The latter is more of a compilation of newspaper articles and commentary, but gives a fairly complete albeit not extremely detailed overview of the bloodshed.

The same author has since written more detailed books. I am currently reading ‘Enter The C-Team’ which is the life story of Tom Taylor, a renegade Rochester associate who hired Mad Dog Sullivan when he was trying to take over the rackets in the 80s (kinda like Danny Greene out of Cleveland). There is another book by the daughter of Sammy G Gingello coming out this month which should be interesting as well. He was the most colorful of the city’s mobsters.

[BeatiPaoli]

To Everyone: For me, it is Madison. Would like to know its true genesis, and who, if any, of the respectable Italian business community were members. From the limited info, I get an impression the Family "blended in" within the larger social, political,and economic framework.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

[cavita]

To Everyone: For me, it is Madison. Would like to know its true genesis, and who, if any, of the respectable Italian business community were members. From the limited info, I get an impression the Family "blended in" within the larger social, political,and economic framework.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

From what I've seen it appears they were largely done as a family by the late 1940s but still functioned on a smaller scale.

[newera_212]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

Yes, there are a few books written on Rochester. I would start with ‘The Hammer Conspiracies’ by Frank Aloi or ‘Rochester Mob Wars’ by Blair Kenny. The latter is more of a compilation of newspaper articles and commentary, but gives a fairly complete albeit not extremely detailed overview of the bloodshed.

The same author has since written more detailed books. I am currently reading ‘Enter The C-Team’ which is the life story of Tom Taylor, a renegade Rochester associate who hired Mad Dog Sullivan when he was trying to take over the rackets in the 80s (kinda like Danny Greene out of Cleveland). There is another book by the daughter of Sammy G Gingello coming out this month which should be interesting as well. He was the most colorful of the city’s mobsters.

Where did you get the Hammer Conspiracies? That’s a holy grail book for me and its almost impossible to find. I have a family member who passed a few years ago with an insane book collection, she said she had that one, but I wasnt able to find it the one time her daughter let me rummage through everything. That’s literally the closest ive gotten to even seeing it, outside of paying hundreds of dollars on Amazon

[FriendofHenry]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

You may want to try this one - Crime Town USA, Youngstown, Ohio, was split between Cleveland and Pittsburgh with Pittsburgh winning out.

Allan R. May: Crimetown U.S.A. : The History of the Mahoning ...https://www.amazon.com › Allan-May-Crimetown-U-S-...


Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

[ChicagoOutfit]

Detroit if they’re considered small. Particularly would like to know how recent their reach into Toledo, OH was.

UT basketball & football we’re throwing games in the early 2000s and the convicted names were said to have links to the Syrian/Lebanese mobsters operating within the Detroit Mafia.

[UpstateDapper]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

Yes, there are a few books written on Rochester. I would start with ‘The Hammer Conspiracies’ by Frank Aloi or ‘Rochester Mob Wars’ by Blair Kenny. The latter is more of a compilation of newspaper articles and commentary, but gives a fairly complete albeit not extremely detailed overview of the bloodshed.

The same author has since written more detailed books. I am currently reading ‘Enter The C-Team’ which is the life story of Tom Taylor, a renegade Rochester associate who hired Mad Dog Sullivan when he was trying to take over the rackets in the 80s (kinda like Danny Greene out of Cleveland). There is another book by the daughter of Sammy G Gingello coming out this month which should be interesting as well. He was the most colorful of the city’s mobsters.

Where did you get the Hammer Conspiracies? That’s a holy grail book for me and its almost impossible to find. I have a family member who passed a few years ago with an insane book collection, she said she had that one, but I wasnt able to find it the one time her daughter let me rummage through everything. That’s literally the closest ive gotten to even seeing it, outside of paying hundreds of dollars on Amazon

I bought it from Frank Aloi personally. I couldn’t get my hands on it until last year when he introduced a new batch of old paperbacks to the market (which dropped the price significantly)c apparently he’d been storing them away for 40 years. People bought most up already, but there are still some available on Amazon for $80.

https://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Conspirac ... 0866490469

[newera_212]

The ones that catch my attention are the families in LA and Pittsburgh, I want to be able to read a book about those families one day.

Rochester seems to be amazing too, is there a book? I found this mini documentary only:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCimSgnNuA&t=141s

Yes, there are a few books written on Rochester. I would start with ‘The Hammer Conspiracies’ by Frank Aloi or ‘Rochester Mob Wars’ by Blair Kenny. The latter is more of a compilation of newspaper articles and commentary, but gives a fairly complete albeit not extremely detailed overview of the bloodshed.

The same author has since written more detailed books. I am currently reading ‘Enter The C-Team’ which is the life story of Tom Taylor, a renegade Rochester associate who hired Mad Dog Sullivan when he was trying to take over the rackets in the 80s (kinda like Danny Greene out of Cleveland). There is another book by the daughter of Sammy G Gingello coming out this month which should be interesting as well. He was the most colorful of the city’s mobsters.

Where did you get the Hammer Conspiracies? That’s a holy grail book for me and its almost impossible to find. I have a family member who passed a few years ago with an insane book collection, she said she had that one, but I wasnt able to find it the one time her daughter let me rummage through everything. That’s literally the closest ive gotten to even seeing it, outside of paying hundreds of dollars on Amazon

I bought it from Frank Aloi personally. I couldn’t get my hands on it until last year when he introduced a new batch of old paperbacks to the market (which dropped the price significantly)c apparently he’d been storing them away for 40 years. People bought most up already, but there are still some available on Amazon for $80.

https://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Conspirac ... 0866490469

awesome I havent checked in a while. much more reasonable than what it was going for a few years ago. good looking out

[BeatiPaoli]

To Cavita: I have a great deal of respect for your breadth and depth of knowledge of the subject matter here, but could you possible expand upon the comment you made regarding Madison: "From what I've seen it appears they were largely done as a family by the late 1940s but still functioned on a smaller scale." I know from reading the Mary Farrell site, they were a Family until the early Seventies, and then I believe they took a vote to disband in (?) 1971, where only 2 of the 10 or 12 members still left of the Madison Family did not want to disband.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

[cavita]

To Cavita: I have a great deal of respect for your breadth and depth of knowledge of the subject matter here, but could you possible expand upon the comment you made regarding Madison: "From what I've seen it appears they were largely done as a family by the late 1940s but still functioned on a smaller scale." I know from reading the Mary Farrell site, they were a Family until the early Seventies, and then I believe they took a vote to disband in (?) 1971, where only 2 of the 10 or 12 members still left of the Madison Family did not want to disband.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

Yes, they officially disbanded by 1971 but prior to that they hadn't really been involved in anything big for at least a decade before. Rockford members would travel to Madison for some gambling games which I imagine was organized on Madison's end but I believe the members were content to live off legitimate dealings though I do remember they had made at least a couple members in the 1960s so maybe that was a half hearted attempt to keep the family going.

[BeatiPaoli]

To Cavita: Thank you very much for the reply! I think it is truly about time you or one of the other knowledgeable researchers here wrote a book on the histories of the Rockford, Springfield, and Madison Families!

Regards,
BeatiPaoli