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calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Very interesting, thanks! Additionally, the Musitanos in Hamilton were also from Delianuova.

Would you be aware of any reason why Sal Riina during a court appearance, made reference to Reggio. Specifically, when you speak of Reggio, you speak of Bagarella?

Would Bagarella be his wife, Ninetta or his brother-in-laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeXtNp1ocs
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SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:23 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Very interesting, thanks! Additionally, the Musitanos in Hamilton were also from Delianuova.

Would you be aware of any reason why Sal Riina during a court appearance, made reference to Reggio. Specifically, when you speak of Reggio, you speak of Bagarella?

Would Bagarella be his wife, Ninetta or his brother-in-laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeXtNp1ocs
He actually says Leggio, not Reggio, so the reference is to what just said before about Pino Leggio!
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calabrianwatch wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:40 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:23 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Very interesting, thanks! Additionally, the Musitanos in Hamilton were also from Delianuova.

Would you be aware of any reason why Sal Riina during a court appearance, made reference to Reggio. Specifically, when you speak of Reggio, you speak of Bagarella?

Would Bagarella be his wife, Ninetta or his brother-in-laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeXtNp1ocs
He actually says Leggio, not Reggio, so the reference is to what just said before about Pino Leggio!
Thanks, finally clears that up, I found it confusing. Especially, after reading on here, how there was a split in Calabria on whether to support the Corleonesi war with the State.

Would you know if there is any truth to Leggio being the person to put Sal Riina and Ninetta Bagarella together?

Also, wasn’t Ninetta Bagarella and her children living in the Puglia/Bari region in the summer of 2014? reason being it seems to have a Cosa Nostra presence now.

Lastly, Vito Rizzuto was convicted in absentia of money laundering related to building a bridge from Palermo to Messina, any idea of who the Calabrese were? If so, how are those Calabrese represented in GTA, etc?
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SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:03 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:40 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:23 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Very interesting, thanks! Additionally, the Musitanos in Hamilton were also from Delianuova.

Would you be aware of any reason why Sal Riina during a court appearance, made reference to Reggio. Specifically, when you speak of Reggio, you speak of Bagarella?

Would Bagarella be his wife, Ninetta or his brother-in-laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeXtNp1ocs
He actually says Leggio, not Reggio, so the reference is to what just said before about Pino Leggio!
Thanks, finally clears that up, I found it confusing. Especially, after reading on here, how there was a split in Calabria on whether to support the Corleonesi war with the State.

Would you know if there is any truth to Leggio being the person to put Sal Riina and Ninetta Bagarella together?

Also, wasn’t Ninetta Bagarella and her children living in the Puglia/Bari region in the summer of 2014? reason being it seems to have a Cosa Nostra presence now.

Lastly, Vito Rizzuto was convicted in absentia of money laundering related to building a bridge from Palermo to Messina, any idea of who the Calabrese were? If so, how are those Calabrese represented in GTA, etc?
As far as the stories goes Riina married Ninetta because of his friendship with Calogero Bagarella and of course as an alliance with Leoluca Bagarella. Buscetta said that Riina betrayed Leggio as Leggio had taken out Riina from the commission to please Badalamenti. Buscetta said that the fact that Leggio was arrested on the same day of the marriage between Totò and Ninetta is significant...

As far as I know of the daughters of Totò and Ninetta lives in Puglia and Ninetta was seen meeting with members of the apulian mafia, the Sacra Corona Unita in Brindisi but not sure what happened there...

And lastly, the bridge between Sicily and Calabria - so would be Messina-Reggio Calabria - was a very messy story - the Calabrian-Canadian was Giuseppe Joseph Zappia. The guy was an engineer and he had been literally everywhere in the world, he worked in a lot of different countries. In Canada as far as I remember he was close to Rizzuto only for this project, but he was planning the 'ndrangheta connection in Calabria of course (like anyone else for that damn bridge, periodically)
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calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Posted this in the Ontario thread....

The empire of the Barbarians: eight 'ndrine, one clan. "Never feuds in 150 years"
The report of the Dia: anti-mafia alarm. "This is how it is in the North." The Barbaro clan is the most important among those that have colonized Lombardy and Milan for more than forty years
by Cesare Giuzzi


It is a dynasty that has its roots in the early years of united Italy. Twenty-sixth January 1873, the last months of Giovanni Lanza's government. In Platì, a tiny dot on the slopes of Aspromonte, Francesco Barbaro was born. Lime and mud houses, mule-backed paths gathering sheep between rivers and sheepfolds. The criminal legend of the most important 'Ndrangheta family in Calabria dates back to 150 years ago.


The longest-lived, capable of reaching Lombardy and Piedmont as well as Australia. Never broken by a feud, never really undermined by the repentant. It is so powerful that it is today the most important Calabrian family of drug trafficking. So much so that in the 'Ndrangheta it is said that there are only two paths: either you are born a Barbaro or you become their ally. Nobody could go against them. The Barbaro clan is the most important among those that have colonized Lombardy and Milan for more than forty years.


The latest alarm comes from the Dia's six-monthly report presented yesterday to Parliament. A document that starts from the numerous operations that have hit the Barbaro-Papalia clan in recent months. By decapitating branches under which, as happened after the North-South operation of the 1990s, new and even more fearful buds are already sprouting.

Because that of the Barbaro family is the story of an indissoluble blood bond, in an inextricable forest of always identical names and surnames. A document that starts from the numerous operations that have hit the Barbaro-Papalia clan in recent months. By decapitating branches under which, as happened after the North-South operation of the 1990s, new and even more fearful buds are already sprouting.

Because that of the Barbaro family is the story of an indissoluble blood bond, in an inextricable forest of always identical names and surnames. A document that starts from the numerous operations that have hit the Barbaro-Papalia clan in recent months. By decapitating branches under which, as happened after the North-South operation of the 1990s, new and even more fearful buds are already sprouting. Because that of the Barbaro family is the story of an indissoluble blood bond, in an inextricable forest of always identical names and surnames.



THE PLACES OF THE 'NDRANGHETA IN LOMBARDY



The descendants of the Barbaro-Papalia who arrived in Buccinasco and Corsico at the end of the seventies are all children of the patriarch Francesco Barbaro and his wife Marianna Carbone (born in 1877).

From their ten children will descend the five branches of the family and the eight 'ndrine that dominate the' ndrangheta of Platì: Barbaro Castanu , Rosi , Nigru , Pillaru , Perre Maistru , Papalia Carciutu , Sergi 'Mbilli (now in the background)and Trimboli Piseja . In particular, from Pasquale Barbaro (1897) will descend Rosario, the head of the Rosi branch . Francesco Barbaro, known as Ciccio 'u Castanu , a boss who died at the age of 91 last November, was then generated by his son Domenico (1900) .

Instead, his son Antonio (born in 1920) will give life to the Nigru branch of the clan, while the 'ndrine Perre Maistru and Papalia Carciutu will be born through the marriages of the daughters Elisabetta and Serafina. Just three of the eight children of Serafina Barbaro and Giuseppe Papalia (1907) will then leave for Milan to become the bosses of Lombardy: Domenico (today in life imprisonment but acquitted 41 years after D'Agostino's murder), Rocco (released from prison a year ago and now in a workhouse in Vasto) and Antonio (to life imprisonment in Padua).

The godparents who together with the other satellite families of the Barbaro (Sergi-Agresta-Marando-Musitano-Molluso-Zappia) will give life to the Lombard empire of the 'Ndrangheta.

Family ties essential to understand how a clan that has conquered the world left from that village of shepherds. And that today, through cross marriages with the Pelle di San Luca family, has become even stronger and more powerful.

The latest investigations into the gangs in the North have revealed how the elder Ciccio 'u Castanu's son , Rocco Barbaro , was at the helm of "Lombardia", the body that governs the gangs, until his arrest .



The boss sentenced to 16 years for having bought the «Vecchia Milano» bar in Corso Europa with money from drug trafficking. Captured two years ago in Platì, today Rocco is in prison. On the other hand, his brother Giuseppe, known as Peppe 'u Sparitu, is free, 62, a long-time fugitive. Sick and for a long time under house arrest in a Rimini clinic, the boss was recently photographed by the carabinieri during the "Hole" investigation together with his 25-year-old son Domenico.


The new recruits of the Perre clan of Casorate Primo, in the province of Pavia, the new frontier of the clan, were instead involved in the "Linfa" operation of July 2017. With them also the descendants of the kidnappers of Alessandra Sgarella and the relatives of Giuseppe Perre, 'u Maistru, whose son-in-law Vincenzo Musitano was among the organizers of the «Stocco Festival» in Corsico. Story on which there is now the lighthouse of the Viminale which could lead to the dissolution of the municipality due to influence of the mafia.

Antonio Barbaro, owner of a fruit shop in Gaggiano and descendant of theNigri , on the other hand, was only touched by an anti-drug investigation. While part of the Pillaru is Salvatore Barbaro, 44, son-in-law of Rocco Papalia, sentenced to 9 years. And now a fugitive.
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Yes there are many Barbaro clans, many strands - the Castanu is the main one followed by Nigru. The Barbaro -Papalia ndrina with the satellite clans has founded the Lombardia. The Castanu are the ones in Australia and in other parts of Italy - these Papalia here are from Platì not from Delianuova where the Johnny Papalia was from in Hamilton, but the two are interconnected
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calabrianwatch wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:54 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:03 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:40 am
SantoClaus wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:23 am
calabrianwatch wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 am That is a whole other story :) Papalia might be from either Delianuova or Platì - the Delianuova ones are the ones in bed with Italiano and yes they have a presence in Australia, but also in the North of Italy - Antonio Papalia was the undisputed boss of the Lombardia. they were also linked - business wise - to the Papalia in Hamilton. But I have not seen anything in NY (unless we consider the Niagara part...)
Very interesting, thanks! Additionally, the Musitanos in Hamilton were also from Delianuova.

Would you be aware of any reason why Sal Riina during a court appearance, made reference to Reggio. Specifically, when you speak of Reggio, you speak of Bagarella?

Would Bagarella be his wife, Ninetta or his brother-in-laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeXtNp1ocs
He actually says Leggio, not Reggio, so the reference is to what just said before about Pino Leggio!
Thanks, finally clears that up, I found it confusing. Especially, after reading on here, how there was a split in Calabria on whether to support the Corleonesi war with the State.

Would you know if there is any truth to Leggio being the person to put Sal Riina and Ninetta Bagarella together?

Also, wasn’t Ninetta Bagarella and her children living in the Puglia/Bari region in the summer of 2014? reason being it seems to have a Cosa Nostra presence now.

Lastly, Vito Rizzuto was convicted in absentia of money laundering related to building a bridge from Palermo to Messina, any idea of who the Calabrese were? If so, how are those Calabrese represented in GTA, etc?
As far as the stories goes Riina married Ninetta because of his friendship with Calogero Bagarella and of course as an alliance with Leoluca Bagarella. Buscetta said that Riina betrayed Leggio as Leggio had taken out Riina from the commission to please Badalamenti. Buscetta said that the fact that Leggio was arrested on the same day of the marriage between Totò and Ninetta is significant...

As far as I know of the daughters of Totò and Ninetta lives in Puglia and Ninetta was seen meeting with members of the apulian mafia, the Sacra Corona Unita in Brindisi but not sure what happened there...

And lastly, the bridge between Sicily and Calabria - so would be Messina-Reggio Calabria - was a very messy story - the Calabrian-Canadian was Giuseppe Joseph Zappia. The guy was an engineer and he had been literally everywhere in the world, he worked in a lot of different countries. In Canada as far as I remember he was close to Rizzuto only for this project, but he was planning the 'ndrangheta connection in Calabria of course (like anyone else for that damn bridge, periodically)
Thank you for the information, those are questions I’ve had for a while now. I appreciate you answering my question, thanks again!
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I found this paper about the Ndrangheta, fairly informative.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... DD9DF8FFC6

“ In this way, already by the end of the 1990s, the ‘Ndrangheta had a network of local representatives who took up residence in Colombia. Due to its flexibility and its ability to adapt itself to environmental changes, ‘Ndrangheta made itself as an oligarchy 15 in the cocaine market, thanks to the introduction of an innovative modus operandi, consisting of the use of brokers, with the aim of directly controlling the cocaine supply chain in the producer countries, as well as in the planning of all the drug trafficking activities through consortia, which is a reunion of more Calabrian families, also known as ‘ndrine.”

“ According to these scholars, in fact, the term ‘Ndranghetism implies the presence of a combination of cultural, social and structural elements in order to maintain the territorial control and to create a behavioural model and an anthropological habitus in which affiliates can recognize their own identity as a perfect overlapping with the organization’s one. In this perspective ‘Ndranghetization would coincide with the ability of the ‘Ndrangheta to replicate and diffuse this behavioural model abroad and across the world, making possible the colonization of new territories.”
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SantoClaus wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:27 pm I found this paper about the Ndrangheta, fairly informative.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... DD9DF8FFC6

“ In this way, already by the end of the 1990s, the ‘Ndrangheta had a network of local representatives who took up residence in Colombia. Due to its flexibility and its ability to adapt itself to environmental changes, ‘Ndrangheta made itself as an oligarchy 15 in the cocaine market, thanks to the introduction of an innovative modus operandi, consisting of the use of brokers, with the aim of directly controlling the cocaine supply chain in the producer countries, as well as in the planning of all the drug trafficking activities through consortia, which is a reunion of more Calabrian families, also known as ‘ndrine.”

“ According to these scholars, in fact, the term ‘Ndranghetism implies the presence of a combination of cultural, social and structural elements in order to maintain the territorial control and to create a behavioural model and an anthropological habitus in which affiliates can recognize their own identity as a perfect overlapping with the organization’s one. In this perspective ‘Ndranghetization would coincide with the ability of the ‘Ndrangheta to replicate and diffuse this behavioural model abroad and across the world, making possible the colonization of new territories.”
This paper is a summary of Sergi’s 2016 book anyway, it doesn’t say anything new..but yes I guess it’s a good summary!
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Francesco “Ciccio” Pelle aka Pakistan fugitive since the San Luca feud in Calabria that caused the Duisburg massacre - arrested in Lisbon, where he was in hiding and had COVID

https://www.barrons.com/news/top-italia ... 1617043509
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calabrianwatch wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:33 pm
SantoClaus wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:27 pm I found this paper about the Ndrangheta, fairly informative.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... DD9DF8FFC6

“ In this way, already by the end of the 1990s, the ‘Ndrangheta had a network of local representatives who took up residence in Colombia. Due to its flexibility and its ability to adapt itself to environmental changes, ‘Ndrangheta made itself as an oligarchy 15 in the cocaine market, thanks to the introduction of an innovative modus operandi, consisting of the use of brokers, with the aim of directly controlling the cocaine supply chain in the producer countries, as well as in the planning of all the drug trafficking activities through consortia, which is a reunion of more Calabrian families, also known as ‘ndrine.”

“ According to these scholars, in fact, the term ‘Ndranghetism implies the presence of a combination of cultural, social and structural elements in order to maintain the territorial control and to create a behavioural model and an anthropological habitus in which affiliates can recognize their own identity as a perfect overlapping with the organization’s one. In this perspective ‘Ndranghetization would coincide with the ability of the ‘Ndrangheta to replicate and diffuse this behavioural model abroad and across the world, making possible the colonization of new territories.”
This paper is a summary of Sergi’s 2016 book anyway, it doesn’t say anything new..but yes I guess it’s a good summary!
Cool, thanks for your opinion. I actually found another case study of hers, it has confidential written on the pages. I’ll posted if I’m allowed, but if it’s no good I’d rather not.

It’s called “ ‘Ndrangheta and Gangster Politics in Calabria. The local side of a global threat”, do you recognize it? Is it of value, if so?
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Hers you mean Sergi? Yes I think that one is a previous draft of another thing she wrote - should be this one - https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... hern_Italy
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Yup, that’s it, she is very good IMO, thanks for your help.
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In case you missed this -

Interpol new 6 minutes video on the 'ndrangheta

https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Orga ... heta-I-CAN
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Forgive me for the very basic questions, but someone said these guys are born into being Ndrangheta at birth. So, does this mean there are no making ceremonies like the Sicilians? I read John Dickie’s book that is an overview of all Italian mafias, but I forget if he mentioned this.

Also, are they required to be Calabrian or even Italian? Meaning, if a daughter of a Ndrangheta family married a non-Italian, would the non-Italian husband be able to be a member? Or, does that even matter since it’s based on family blood ties?

I understand marrying outside of their small little world is unlikely, just curious on their protocols if any.

I’m much more up to speed in the Sicilians and American LCN, but hopefully can read some of Ms. Sergi’s books and papers in the future. Thanks!
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