If Persico was successful in the hit on Vic Orena

[Mikeymike12]

Who do you think would be Made Acting Boss? Until Ally boy was able to be.

Which do you think would of been the best for the Colombo’s to be in better shape today
1) Orena winning the War and taking over ( obviously bunch would still be getting arrested cause of the war)
2) Wild Bill staying underboss and Acting boss when Allie boy goes in ( how ever long he stays on without a pinch )
3)Persico family losing leadership of Colombo’s and goes to someone else after Allie boy gets life.

I feel Colombo’s could of still turned it self around but didn’t time and time again and it made members in their own family keep turning ...


Interesting article after that last huge Colombo bust it’s trying to say that Jersey family is comparable or even stronger than the Colombos. I know they have had a lot of issues over the years but to say that no way.....here’s the link thttps://nypost.com/2011/01/30/the-brutal-rise-and-bloody-fall-of-the-colombos/

[Mikeymike12]

Also which War do you think did the worst Damage overall to the Colombo’s

[Rocco]

Also which War do you think did the worst Damage overall to the Colombo’s

Probably the 90s war. BUT LE was able to do allot of damage to all the families in the 90s thru to today. The better question is ...if 9/11 never happened and FBI resources were not taken away from LCN...what would the mob look like today? Probably even weaker then it is. Remember they had a ton of agents assigned to each family prior to 9/11.

[Dave65827]

I’d say the 90s war did the most damage as all the stuff we see today attrition,lack of quality recruits, disappearance of Italian neighborhoods etc was really starting to begin. The 3rd Colombo just pretty much made it worse than maybe what it was going to be.


On the topic of 9/11 I think if it never happened they would absolutely Be even more weaker than today. I personally think the smaller families may of not existed today like Philly,Patriarca and Decavalcante as they where pretty decimated by when 9/11 started and got time to rebuild, recruit more guys etc.

[SantoClaus]

Also which War do you think did the worst Damage overall to the Colombo’s

Probably the 90s war. BUT LE was able to do allot of damage to all the families in the 90s thru to today. The better question is ...if 9/11 never happened and FBI resources were not taken away from LCN...what would the mob look like today? Probably even weaker then it is. Remember they had a ton of agents assigned to each family prior to 9/11.

Great point!

[Adam]

Feel like if the hit had worked, Sessa would have been made acting boss.

[Rocco]

Feel like if the hit had worked, Sessa would have been made acting boss.

But would Sessa Flip anyways when he is indicted in RICO ? Probably...Acting Boss is always gonna get indicted.

[Shellackhead]

They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.

[gohnjotti]

They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.

JoJo Russo is - to me - the most obvious choice for acting boss, if the hit on Little Vic had gone smoothly. I guess Little Vic was picked not only because he was a Persico relative, but also because he was Carmine's contemporary, a big-time earner, had a large backing, and was relatively low-key. JoJo may have been looked over at that point because of his age and relative inexperience.
I don't think Carmine Sessa would have become the acting boss if he successfully murdered Orena because I don't think that's a role that anybody would have trusted him with. He was Greg Scarpa's puppet, his role purely to play the middle between Orena and the Scarpa/Persico camp. He was a ceremonial consigliere.
Joe Tomasello would also be an obvious choice for acting boss, since he was the Persico acting boss during the conflict. But Joe T was a reluctant player in the war, and was looking to retire to Florida. After his release from prison, he would do just that.

[Shellackhead]

They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.

JoJo Russo is - to me - the most obvious choice for acting boss, if the hit on Little Vic had gone smoothly. I guess Little Vic was picked not only because he was a Persico relative, but also because he was Carmine's contemporary, a big-time earner, had a large backing, and was relatively low-key. JoJo may have been looked over at that point because of his age and relative inexperience.
I don't think Carmine Sessa would have become the acting boss if he successfully murdered Orena because I don't think that's a role that anybody would have trusted him with. He was Greg Scarpa's puppet, his role purely to play the middle between Orena and the Scarpa/Persico camp. He was a ceremonial consigliere.
Joe Tomasello would also be an obvious choice for acting boss, since he was the Persico acting boss during the conflict. But Joe T was a reluctant player in the war, and was looking to retire to Florida. After his release from prison, he would do just that.

Thanks for the info, I read your amazing work on a few Persico faction members that you wrote about that’s why I mentioned one of the Russos, do you think if Carmine Sessa didn’t run to Teddy Persico Sr. And told him about the polls, do you think the captains would of wanted Vic Orena as the official boss?

[slimshady_007]

If Vic got whacked then I’d assume that a Persico relative would’ve filled the role as acting boss.I agree w Gohn that Joe Russo would’ve been a likely contender for AB. Not long afterwards, maybe 93-94, the family’s new administration and others get hit with RICO and Carmine Sessa spills the beans on everything.

[gohnjotti]

They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.

JoJo Russo is - to me - the most obvious choice for acting boss, if the hit on Little Vic had gone smoothly. I guess Little Vic was picked not only because he was a Persico relative, but also because he was Carmine's contemporary, a big-time earner, had a large backing, and was relatively low-key. JoJo may have been looked over at that point because of his age and relative inexperience.
I don't think Carmine Sessa would have become the acting boss if he successfully murdered Orena because I don't think that's a role that anybody would have trusted him with. He was Greg Scarpa's puppet, his role purely to play the middle between Orena and the Scarpa/Persico camp. He was a ceremonial consigliere.
Joe Tomasello would also be an obvious choice for acting boss, since he was the Persico acting boss during the conflict. But Joe T was a reluctant player in the war, and was looking to retire to Florida. After his release from prison, he would do just that.

Thanks for the info, I read your amazing work on a few Persico faction members that you wrote about that’s why I mentioned one of the Russos, do you think if Carmine Sessa didn’t run to Teddy Persico Sr. And told him about the polls, do you think the captains would of wanted Vic Orena as the official boss?

Yes. Orena would have been voted acting boss, as his support in the family was more widespread. Many captains outside the Persico/Russo sphere of influence felt that Persico ruled by nepotism, which is true. He prioritized the promotions of family members above others. I can imagine it was also strange for Colombo family members that, of all the Commission bosses convicted in 1986, Carmine Persico was the only official boss to retain his title. All four other bosses lost their title, in some way or another. So in this light, members may have seen Persico as greedy. Many newly promoted captains had also seldom met Persico, and had no personal relationship with the guy.
Larry Mazza explains in his autobiography that Orena also cultivated a strong sphere of influence in the years preceding to the war by inducting many members from his faction and making allegiances with other members, promising them promotions if they sided with him. This is true, and it seems that many Orena faction members were pure opportunists. Big Sal Miciotta split from the Persicos in exchange for a promotion to captain. John Minerva split from the Persicos to renege on his loansharking debts to JoJo Russo.

This factionalism within the Colombo family continued through the 2000s. Sebby Saracino explained that when he was first asked by his brother Dino about being inducted into the Colombo family, Sebby initially declined. Dino, however, urged Sebby to take up the offer of induction, stating that if he didn't take it, somebody from "the other side" would get the coveted induction spot. Court papers elaborated this to mean the rival faction dating from the '91-'93 conflict, even though the Dino/Sebby ceremony was more than a decade later. I don't know who was viewed as "the other side" in 2004, but people such as Joseph Baudanza, Craig Marino, and Ben Castellazzo come to mind.

[gohnjotti]

If Vic got whacked then I’d assume that a Persico relative would’ve filled the role as acting boss.I agree w Gohn that Joe Russo would’ve been a likely contender for AB. Not long afterwards, maybe 93-94, the family’s new administration and others get hit with RICO and Carmine Sessa spills the beans on everything.

From what I've read about Carmine Sessa's character, he doesn't seem like he would have ever been a "stand-up guy." I believe he would've rolled much earlier if the FBI had applied the pressure on him.

[CabriniGreen]

What do you guys think of Hooties take... that Gotti was gonna clip Orena and put Scopo in as boss?